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Possible increase of heart attack risk after mRNA vaccine.

“You are just like your true father, the devil; and you spend your time pursuing the things your father loves. He started out as a killer, and he cannot tolerate truth because he is void of anything true. At the core of his character, he is a liar; everything he speaks originates in these lies because he is the father of lies.”John 8:44
The true TROLL comes out ? LOL how pathetic
 
Yep, this board is filled with left-wingers who will resort to forcing you to obey them.
They aren't smart enough to see the society that will create.
Thankfully, these male "KARENS" aren't very popular and will get pounded in the upcoming elections.
Individual freedom cannot be taken to be absolute in a civilized and democratic nation.
 
The true TROLL comes out ? LOL how pathetic

Matthew 7:1-5

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
 
Shale MacGregor said:
“You are just like your true father, the devil; and you spend your time pursuing the things your father loves. He started out as a killer, and he cannot tolerate truth because he is void of anything true. At the core of his character, he is a liar; everything he speaks originates in these lies because he is the father of lies.”John 8:44

Matthew 7:1-5

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
You call me a devil, and then say we shouldn't judge ? Looney Tunes you are LOL
 
Shale MacGregor said:
“You are just like your true father, the devil; and you spend your time pursuing the things your father loves. He started out as a killer, and he cannot tolerate truth because he is void of anything true. At the core of his character, he is a liar; everything he speaks originates in these lies because he is the father of lies.”John 8:44

You call me a devil, and then say we shouldn't judge ? Looney Tunes you are LOL
  • Whoever is patient has great understanding,
    but one who is quick-tempered displays folly.
    Proverbs 14:29
 
It is hard for me to believe how much Kool-Aid some of you guys have drank.

If you actually read the E-book I linked in post 232, you will find that the guy who invented the mRNA vaccine has a completely different view of the vaccine than is being spoon fed to all the Kool-Aid drinkers.
I don't think you guys could actually make it thru that book because you would be confronted with realities you seem to find impossible to believe.
Do you REALLY think vaccine + mask = 100% safe?
Can you REALLY ignore the fact that the vaccine is killing more kids and young adults than it is saving?
Can you REALLY just off-hand dismiss the abstract that this thread was about in the first place.

You have such entrenched views that you can't consider any other possibilities and gleefully ruin a conversation that others would like to have.

I'm interested in the insight of the guy who invented mRNA vaccines .... why aren't you guys interested in that at all?

I'm interested in the data in an abstract written by a practicing cardiologist ... Why aren't you guys interested in that?

I'm interested in what a large worldwide group of practicing ICU doctors think about effective treatment ... Why aren't you guys interested in that?

Seems kinda like you guys feel the need to believe in something, so the Kool-Aid you guys have drank has become your religion ... it has to be protected no matter how sensible a different view may be.
 
This Situation has Happened Multiple Times. A near-death patient recovers after the patient sues the hospital to force them to administer Ivermectin. Most of the time, the hospital wins in court and the patient dies.
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Over the Thanksgiving weekend 71-year-old Sun Ng walked out of the hospital. He was given a regimen of 15 daily shots of ivermectin starting on November 8th. The drug was administered by Dr. Alan Bain who needed permission from Judge Fullerton to work in Edward Hospital because Bain isn’t vaccinated. The judge required Bain to take a covid test, which was negative, then Bain was allowed to treat Ng.

The Ng family credited their attorney, Kristen Erickson and another attorney, Ralph C. Lorigo who has been profiled in TrialSiteNews for his work on ivermectin.

According to Fox 32 in Chicago, Ng was “near death” but has now almost “fully recovered. Ng’s daughter says, “My father’s recovery is amazing. My father is a tough man. He was working so hard to survive, and of course, with God’s holding hands. He weaned off oxygen about three days after moving out of the ICU.”

Dr. Ng also thanked the judge for allowing ivermectin to be administered to her father. Although Edward Hospital objected strenuously with the judge’s order, eventually the hospital and its staff fully cooperated.

 
It is hard for me to believe how much Kool-Aid some of you guys have drank.
Well said Bob. Here's a great interview of Dr Malone :

Are the scientific journals censoring the science? My candid conversation with Dr Robert Malone​


“We’re seeing obstructionism, across literature and the regulatory agencies.”

Dr Robert Malone is no stranger to censorship. His LinkedIn account has been suspended twice and a book he co-wrote with his wife, Dr Jill Glasspool Malone Ph.D., on preparing and protecting yourself from the novel coronavirus, was taken down by Amazon without any rationale or justification. He was the editor for the Dr Pierre Kory comprehensive review on ivermectin which was abruptly retracted by Frontiers in Pharmacology after it was published because of an anonymous ‘third-party’ complaint- despite it passing expert peer-review including senior reviewers from the FDA.

Malone candidly spoke how his own paper co-written with Kevin Tomera and Joseph Kittah on high-dose Famotidine and Celecoxib, passed three rounds of peer-review but was blocked by the editor and not published. Famotidine is an over-the-counter drug widely used for the suppression of gastric acid production. Last year, a Trial Site Newsarticle highlighted Dr Malone’s repurposing of Famotidine as an effective Covid-19 treatment by improving patient outcomes. Malone went on to talk about another paper he authored on Famotidine and Celecoxib and its interaction with Dexamethasone. It was submitted to a journal that eagerly sought it and said it was “within scope,” but then notified him that it was “outside of scope” and they could not accept it, and neither would any other journal.

“The FDA has thrown objection after objection.”

All Malone’s work on Famotidine and Celecoxib remains in pre-print form. He explained that “it’s taken us, meaning the contractors working with the US Department of Defense, over a year and a half to try and get the protocols for a clinical trial approved by the FDA, meanwhile Pfizer was able to rush their novel drug through in record time.. and we still can’t get approval to allow our trials to start.”

“All over the world we’ve got this process of ‘hunting’ physicians.”

Malone explained, it was a three-step process of “third parties” complaining about the physicians using these early treatment agents. It’s never the patients themselves. They complain to the medical boards who are obligated to open an investigation after a complaint is filed against a physician. The press is alerted and write multiple articles about the physicians under investigation, destroying the credibility of the physician and they’re typically fired from their hospital and are forced to become free agents. He went on to alarmingly say, “any dissent is weeded out, harassed, deprived of income and blocked from the ability to practice medicine.”

He contrasted this type of ‘witch hunt’ treatment with the academics who have faced no consequences for being responsible for the “cooked data from Harvard on the hydroxychloroquine story that’s infamous- which was withdrawn because the data base was entirely fraudulent..they’re still fully employed academics.”

Why the journals are not in the position to be independent.

Malone discussed an important mechanism being used by the pharmaceutical companies, which he learned about from speaking with Robert F. Kennedy Jr., which is that a large fraction of revenue for the journals comes from the sale of reprints to the pharmaceutical companies. He spoke about how the journals are dependent on this cash flow as the pharmaceutical companies buy large quantities of these reprints, which they hand out to physicians’ offices. This way the pharmaceutical companies are implicitly exerting ‘influence’ without overtly buying any stock or advertising in these journals.

“Rules and regulations on bioethics are being completely disregarded.”

We discussed how the FDA shockingly asked a federal judge to allow it to disclose all the data it relied upon to license the Pfizer Covid vaccine until 2076. This is after a FOIA request by a group of scientists, asking the federal government to share the data. The 1967 FOIA law required that federal agencies respond to requests within 20 business days.

Plausible deniability and the manipulation of the data.

Malone went on to disclose that the “manipulation of data is occurring on multiple levels,” as there are strong disincentives for physicians to report Covid vaccine adverse events to VAERS. This is in direct contrast with the strong incentives in hospitals to over report Covid related deaths. He went on to say that the average cost of a hospitalized Covid patient is $300-400K and part of that cost is driven by the expensive drug Remdesivir, which has strong side effects and the WHO discourages its use.

Malone talked in detail about Kennedy’s new book, The Real Anthony Fauci, and how he makes the case that the manipulation of the data is “intentional” because of the clauses in the infamous Pfizer contracts. Pfizer requires full indemnification from any country that wishes to purchase its product, with the caveat that “Pfizer has to disclose any adverse events or risks that they’re aware of. Pfizer has a perverse incentive to never be aware of an adverse event risk.” This implies that if they’re never aware then they can never be held accountable, “they can claim plausible deniability and therefore not have to report any of the risks.”

Revolving doors

Malone spoke at length of the “amazing concordance between the interests of Pfizer as a company, Moderna and the US government, we know that Pfizer and Moderna are operating with patents from the US government.”

He revealed the long record of FDA administrators that retire and then go work for Pfizer and how elected officials all the way down to the local level receive money from this pharmaceutical company. We went on to discuss how billions of dollars from Pfizer also go to the media. This explains how all the different mainstream media outlets have “the same script about the threat to democracy by anti-vaxxers.”

Follow the money trail to BlackRock.

In Malone’s opinion, if you follow the money trail, it leads to BlackRock and The Vanguard Group. These two multi-national investment corporations, jointly manage $16.5 trillion’s worth of global assets. This has given them incredible control and therefore it’s “best to think of Pfizer, Reuters, FaceBook, Google, Twitter, Washing Post etc. as divisions of one company.”

Malone shockingly revealed that having spoken twice at the Heritage Foundation to conservative groups about the threat of global totalitarianism and what’s going on behind it, their response was that they were fully aware and of this and the ties with BlackRock and the Chinese Communist Party. They informed him that a large amount of information was going to be coming out soon.

 
This Situation has Happened Multiple Times. A near-death patient recovers after the patient sues the hospital to force them to administer Ivermectin. Most of the time, the hospital wins in court and the patient dies.
------------


Over the Thanksgiving weekend 71-year-old Sun Ng walked out of the hospital. He was given a regimen of 15 daily shots of ivermectin starting on November 8th. The drug was administered by Dr. Alan Bain who needed permission from Judge Fullerton to work in Edward Hospital because Bain isn’t vaccinated. The judge required Bain to take a covid test, which was negative, then Bain was allowed to treat Ng.

The Ng family credited their attorney, Kristen Erickson and another attorney, Ralph C. Lorigo who has been profiled in TrialSiteNews for his work on ivermectin.

According to Fox 32 in Chicago, Ng was “near death” but has now almost “fully recovered. Ng’s daughter says, “My father’s recovery is amazing. My father is a tough man. He was working so hard to survive, and of course, with God’s holding hands. He weaned off oxygen about three days after moving out of the ICU.”

Dr. Ng also thanked the judge for allowing ivermectin to be administered to her father. Although Edward Hospital objected strenuously with the judge’s order, eventually the hospital and its staff fully cooperated.

A certain percentage recover with or without Ivermectin, but yeah, focus on the ones where it works, that is how Kory's study got pulled.
 
This is what I mean you belong in the same lot as the flat earthers, young earth creationists and the likes, you do not even try to listen to the arguments presented. For example, I never said "everyone", I have been quite consistent saying that it is a 2% chance of dying from covid for the unvaccinated and that that risk of dying is more then 10 times higher than the for the vaccinated. Nor did I say you shouldn't "be healthy, loose weight, be active." Setting up straw men is a childish, but common tactic employed by flat earthers, young earth creationists and the likes.

And for the record, I do not think you are evil or stupid, I think you are wrong and (un)knowingly spreading misinformation that will cause otherwise preventable deaths. You have also stated that you will accept the consequences of your choices, which is the self sacrificing and responsible thing to do.

Your post was about a possible increased risk of heart attacks, that risk is yet unconfirmed, even your own link did not confirm it. While over 5 million people have died from covid. It is easy to find the statistics, just look them up on your favourite search engine and go to reputable sites. Google scholar might help you in that quest.
What a sanctimonious prick. I have listened to all the same arguments for the past year. I flat out disagree with applying a blanket approach. I did not straw man you any more than you have been strawmaning anyone else you dont agree with.

Since when does something have to be absolutely confirmed, verified or proven before it should be considered?

The OP had nothing to do with presenting anything confirmed

Possible increase of heart attack risk after mRNA vaccine.​


That is the title of this thread. Where in any of that did I try to imply anything was confirmed?

and then in the body of the OP I said:

Video is linked to the findings of the study but that is not the whole story. You need to actually watch the whole video or do more research before you rush around ringing the alarm bell and spreading this sound bite.

Your simply trying to shout anyone down with anything you can. You misdirect and try to distract from the discussion. You, as you have defined above, are the flat earther.
 
A certain percentage recover with or without Ivermectin, but yeah, focus on the ones where it works, that is how Kory's study got pulled.
Near-death patients recover ? Almost never. But keep ignoring the de-wormer.
And you don't have a clue about Dr Kory or his study. It was pulled because they were paid handsomely to pull it.
 
Near-death patients recover ? Almost never. But keep ignoring the de-wormer.
And you don't have a clue about Dr Kory or his study. It was pulled because they were paid handsomely to pull it.
I've never ignored Ivermectin, just pushing back against people making unsubstantiated claims that it is a miracle covid cure drug

Another conspiracy theory? His study was pulled for using fabricated data and bad dates. Just look into some of the dates he used unwittingly unless you are saying someone edited his study for him to make it appear to be using bad dates that couldn't be possible.

 
Please share a link, otherwise that is horrific misinformation to spread.
Why would I go to the trouble of providing evidence that you would ignore anyway? I'm dropping out of this conversation because it is nothing but an exercise in frustration to present data that is ignored.

I'm sure you guys will attack me in a bunch of ridiculous ways .... and set up more straw man arguments to deflect from inconvenient information ..... You guys just have no idea how ridiculous you really are.

If you actually read some of the information that has already been posted in this thread, I would consider giving you more data .... but I think you guys are just having too much fun creating chaos.
 
Why would I go to the trouble of providing evidence that you would ignore anyway? I'm dropping out of this conversation because it is nothing but an exercise in frustration to present data that is ignored.

I'm sure you guys will attack me in a bunch of ridiculous ways .... and set up more straw man arguments to deflect from inconvenient information ..... You guys just have no idea how ridiculous you really are.

If you actually read some of the information that has already been posted in this thread, I would consider giving you more data .... but I think you guys are just having too much fun creating chaos.
We actually will post evidence, however. Funny how that works.
 
Why would I go to the trouble of providing evidence that you would ignore anyway? I'm dropping out of this conversation because it is nothing but an exercise in frustration to present data that is ignored.

I'm sure you guys will attack me in a bunch of ridiculous ways .... and set up more straw man arguments to deflect from inconvenient information ..... You guys just have no idea how ridiculous you really are.

If you actually read some of the information that has already been posted in this thread, I would consider giving you more data .... but I think you guys are just having too much fun creating chaos.
That is pretty low Bob, I had higher regards for you previously but apparently you think it is fine to perpetuate a horrendous lie like "more children die of covid vaccine than covid", and then refuse to provide your source because you claim I haven't read everything you've posted. I didn't bother responding to Malone because I do not believe he invented mRNA, but was rather one of many who worked on it, and now he is trying to cash in for attention and his 15 minutes of fame by doing smarmy interviews where he is all but drooling with the hope that vaccines cause worse covid reactions.
 
Well said Bob. Here's a great interview of Dr Malone :

Are the scientific journals censoring the science? My candid conversation with Dr Robert Malone​


“We’re seeing obstructionism, across literature and the regulatory agencies.”

Dr Robert Malone is no stranger to censorship. His LinkedIn account has been suspended twice and a book he co-wrote with his wife, Dr Jill Glasspool Malone Ph.D., on preparing and protecting yourself from the novel coronavirus, was taken down by Amazon without any rationale or justification. He was the editor for the Dr Pierre Kory comprehensive review on ivermectin which was abruptly retracted by Frontiers in Pharmacology after it was published because of an anonymous ‘third-party’ complaint- despite it passing expert peer-review including senior reviewers from the FDA.

Malone candidly spoke how his own paper co-written with Kevin Tomera and Joseph Kittah on high-dose Famotidine and Celecoxib, passed three rounds of peer-review but was blocked by the editor and not published. Famotidine is an over-the-counter drug widely used for the suppression of gastric acid production. Last year, a Trial Site Newsarticle highlighted Dr Malone’s repurposing of Famotidine as an effective Covid-19 treatment by improving patient outcomes. Malone went on to talk about another paper he authored on Famotidine and Celecoxib and its interaction with Dexamethasone. It was submitted to a journal that eagerly sought it and said it was “within scope,” but then notified him that it was “outside of scope” and they could not accept it, and neither would any other journal.

“The FDA has thrown objection after objection.”

All Malone’s work on Famotidine and Celecoxib remains in pre-print form. He explained that “it’s taken us, meaning the contractors working with the US Department of Defense, over a year and a half to try and get the protocols for a clinical trial approved by the FDA, meanwhile Pfizer was able to rush their novel drug through in record time.. and we still can’t get approval to allow our trials to start.”

“All over the world we’ve got this process of ‘hunting’ physicians.”

Malone explained, it was a three-step process of “third parties” complaining about the physicians using these early treatment agents. It’s never the patients themselves. They complain to the medical boards who are obligated to open an investigation after a complaint is filed against a physician. The press is alerted and write multiple articles about the physicians under investigation, destroying the credibility of the physician and they’re typically fired from their hospital and are forced to become free agents. He went on to alarmingly say, “any dissent is weeded out, harassed, deprived of income and blocked from the ability to practice medicine.”

He contrasted this type of ‘witch hunt’ treatment with the academics who have faced no consequences for being responsible for the “cooked data from Harvard on the hydroxychloroquine story that’s infamous- which was withdrawn because the data base was entirely fraudulent..they’re still fully employed academics.”

Why the journals are not in the position to be independent.

Malone discussed an important mechanism being used by the pharmaceutical companies, which he learned about from speaking with Robert F. Kennedy Jr., which is that a large fraction of revenue for the journals comes from the sale of reprints to the pharmaceutical companies. He spoke about how the journals are dependent on this cash flow as the pharmaceutical companies buy large quantities of these reprints, which they hand out to physicians’ offices. This way the pharmaceutical companies are implicitly exerting ‘influence’ without overtly buying any stock or advertising in these journals.

“Rules and regulations on bioethics are being completely disregarded.”

We discussed how the FDA shockingly asked a federal judge to allow it to disclose all the data it relied upon to license the Pfizer Covid vaccine until 2076. This is after a FOIA request by a group of scientists, asking the federal government to share the data. The 1967 FOIA law required that federal agencies respond to requests within 20 business days.

Plausible deniability and the manipulation of the data.

Malone went on to disclose that the “manipulation of data is occurring on multiple levels,” as there are strong disincentives for physicians to report Covid vaccine adverse events to VAERS. This is in direct contrast with the strong incentives in hospitals to over report Covid related deaths. He went on to say that the average cost of a hospitalized Covid patient is $300-400K and part of that cost is driven by the expensive drug Remdesivir, which has strong side effects and the WHO discourages its use.

Malone talked in detail about Kennedy’s new book, The Real Anthony Fauci, and how he makes the case that the manipulation of the data is “intentional” because of the clauses in the infamous Pfizer contracts. Pfizer requires full indemnification from any country that wishes to purchase its product, with the caveat that “Pfizer has to disclose any adverse events or risks that they’re aware of. Pfizer has a perverse incentive to never be aware of an adverse event risk.” This implies that if they’re never aware then they can never be held accountable, “they can claim plausible deniability and therefore not have to report any of the risks.”

Revolving doors

Malone spoke at length of the “amazing concordance between the interests of Pfizer as a company, Moderna and the US government, we know that Pfizer and Moderna are operating with patents from the US government.”

He revealed the long record of FDA administrators that retire and then go work for Pfizer and how elected officials all the way down to the local level receive money from this pharmaceutical company. We went on to discuss how billions of dollars from Pfizer also go to the media. This explains how all the different mainstream media outlets have “the same script about the threat to democracy by anti-vaxxers.”

Follow the money trail to BlackRock.

In Malone’s opinion, if you follow the money trail, it leads to BlackRock and The Vanguard Group. These two multi-national investment corporations, jointly manage $16.5 trillion’s worth of global assets. This has given them incredible control and therefore it’s “best to think of Pfizer, Reuters, FaceBook, Google, Twitter, Washing Post etc. as divisions of one company.”

Malone shockingly revealed that having spoken twice at the Heritage Foundation to conservative groups about the threat of global totalitarianism and what’s going on behind it, their response was that they were fully aware and of this and the ties with BlackRock and the Chinese Communist Party. They informed him that a large amount of information was going to be coming out soon.

You're being led around like a farm animal....

First it was Hydroxychloroquine, and they made millions off it because the people who think magical invisible sky fairies are real, will believe almost anything.. When real world results didn't pan out and the scam was exposed, they switched to Ivermectin and began again.. because stupid people don't learn.

You haven't heard much about Hydroxychloroquine lately have you?? In another year, when the Ivermectin buzz has run its course, they'll come up with a third drug to make money on... but first, they'll invest in the companies making them, then point the farm animals in the direction they want them to go.. because stupid people don't learn.

It is the same propaganda firm behind both... The group is called "America Front Line Doctors", but they're not doctors, its a right wing political action group duping you into believing silly things.. The name is irrelevant as they could call themselves Front Line Astronauts if they wanted.. but "doctor" sounds better for this line of propaganda. They must figure "hey, if they think there's some all powerful magical omnipotent sky fairy responsible for the universe, then they'll believe almost anything"..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Frontline_Doctors
America's Frontline Doctors (AFLDS) is an American right-wing political organization.Affiliated with Tea Party Patriots co-founder Jenny Beth Martin and publicly led by Simone Gold, the group is opposed to measures intended to control the COVID-19 pandemic, including lockdowns and vaccination. The group promotes falsehoods about the COVID-19 pandemic and COVID-19 vaccines.




Damn are people utterly dumb....
 
That is pretty low Bob, I had higher regards for you previously but apparently you think it is fine to perpetuate a horrendous lie like "more children die of covid vaccine than covid", and then refuse to provide your source because you claim I haven't read everything you've posted. I didn't bother responding to Malone because I do not believe he invented mRNA, but was rather one of many who worked on it, and now he is trying to cash in for attention and his 15 minutes of fame by doing smarmy interviews where he is all but drooling with the hope that vaccines cause worse covid reactions.

As I said before ..... you choose to ignore any information that doesn't fit the narrative you have chosen to believe. So .... throw malicious comments toward a brilliant virologist and make negative assumptions about his intentions ..... you can't see how crippling it is to refuse to even look at data you don't want to believe.
 
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