Dr Strangetroll : or how I learned to stop arguing and be amused by the intransigence

[Bob B]

Why is that funny BOB. You entirely missed the point. Sending someone home and asking them to monitor their own symptoms for a period of time IS home tretament. You are so frustratingly ignorant.

It's so funny because you don't begin recognize how deficient that approach is.

 

[Samsonite801]

What was the disposition of that ankle injury? No fracture. Sent home. Recommend rest, elevation, cold treatment. Follow up in one week. That is home treatment BOB.

I think hospitals get a lot of pressure from insurance companies to send people home who don't really need to be there. So the hospitals worry that they won't be able to get paid for patients staying extra days.

I had been in the hospital for extended stay twice for accident/trama-related injuries, first time 2.5 weeks and second time 1 month, and both times, towards the end of my stay, I could sense the pressure from them rising to get me out of there and get me back home.

Another time I had a daytime surgery on my ankle, and they wouldn't even let me stay the night. I felt horrible could barely keep my eyes open, didn't want to move and they were doing everything to boot me out the door after the 4 hour recovery time elapsed.

I had been frustrated how they were like we don't care if you're in pain and want to just sleep and recover a bit longer, we got to boot you down the road now hehe...

 

[Roswell Bob]

Is Omicron an anagram for Moronic?

 

[Cdkipp]

It's so funny because you don't begin recognize how deficient that approach is.

The effectiveness has nothing to do with whether it is categorized as home care or not. I damn well know there is no effective pill or medication forCovid right now. Merck and Pfizer will have a pill soon although the Merck pill is now stumbling and may not make it, certainly will not be a game changer.

 

[Bob B]

The effectiveness has nothing to do with whether it is categorized as home care or not. I damn well know there is no effective pill or medication forCovid right now. Merck and Pfizer will have a pill soon although the Merck pill is now stumbling and may not make it, certainly will not be a game changer.

The lack of effective home care is my point ..... there have been options that might be effective .... you seemed to recognize that momentarily but have now had a relapse.

 

[Bob B]

I have shown before that effective home treatments exist .... there is a state in India of about 300 million people where Covid has been almost irradiated.
They did relentless contact tracing, gave everyone a home med kit to be used if they were exposed ... or knew they were going to be exposed by a family member.
Their success is astounding.

In the mean time, the US is in the top 20 of deaths per capita in the pandemic as compared to about 200 countries .... Is there any point you would consider the possibility that there has been something wrong with our approach?

 

[Cdkipp]

I have shown before that effective home treatments exist .... there is a state in India of about 300 million people where Covid has been almost irradiated.
They did relentless contact tracing, gave everyone a home med kit to be used if they were exposed ... or knew they were going to be exposed by a family member.
Their success is astounding.

In the mean time, the US is in the top 20 of deaths in the pandemic as compared to about 200 countries .... Is there any point you would consider the possibility that there has been something wrong with our approach?

That is complete BS BOB and if you understood medical science you would know it. It is impossible for Ivermectin to work. Ivermectin worked in the lab as a protease inhibitor. At the concentration it took to stop viral concentration, you would actually need several tubes of horse dewormer per day. It would kill a human. In your terminology, we have a motor that takes 120 V ac. In human tolerable doses we are trying to make that motor run with 12 V DC. IT cannot work. "The blood levels of ivermectin at safe therapeutic doses are in the 20–80 ng/ml range [44], while the activity against SARS-CoV2 in cell culture is in the microgram range." https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-z] Because of all the nutbags screaming ivermectin it was included in the ongoing large Canadian trial and the interim results, together with the withdrawal of other studies for fraud, caused the NIH and FDA to put a hold on ivermectin. I have attached the graphic.

 

[Cdkipp]

I have shown before that effective home treatments exist .... there is a state in India of about 300 million people where Covid has been almost irradiated.
They did relentless contact tracing, gave everyone a home med kit to be used if they were exposed ... or knew they were going to be exposed by a family member.
Their success is astounding.

In the mean time, the US is in the top 20 of deaths per capita in the pandemic as compared to about 200 countries .... Is there any point you would consider the possibility that there has been something wrong with our approach?

Please post your research, not anecdotal evidence, with any response. By the way, in anticipation of your response that big pharma is throwing this trial, let me make you aware that it is this same trial, and the same interim results, that show a significant response of early covid to generic prozac,

 

[Bob B]

That is complete BS BOB and if you understood medical science you would know it. It is impossible for Ivermectin to work. Ivermectin worked in the lab as a protease inhibitor. At the concentration it took to stop viral concentration, you would actually need several tubes of horse dewormer per day. It would kill a human. In your terminology, we have a motor that takes 120 V ac. In human tolerable doses we are trying to make that motor run with 12 V DC. IT cannot work. "The blood levels of ivermectin at safe therapeutic doses are in the 20–80 ng/ml range [44], while the activity against SARS-CoV2 in cell culture is in the microgram range." https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-z] Because of all the nutbags screaming ivermectin it was actually included in the ongoing results in the large Canadian trial and the interim results, together with the withdrawal of other studies for fraud, caused the NIH and FDA to put a hold on ivermectin. I have attached the graphic.

You seem to be arguing about something I didn't say .....

I have data to back up everything in my post .... so you want to argue about something I didn't say.

Here is the latest update on that state in India that has virtually eliminated Covid.

33 districts in Uttar Pradesh are now Covid-free: State govt

Overall, the state has a total of 199 active cases, while the positivity rate came down to less than 0.01 per cent.

www.hindustantimes.com

If you were at all interested in how they accomplished this .... you would do your own research into what made their approach so effective.

 

[Bob B]

Below is a link to a chart showing the death rate per capita .... as you can see, the US is #19 highest .... and some countries deaths per capita have been 10 times less than ours.

What have those countries been doing differently than us?

COVID-19 pandemic death rates by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Cdkipp]

You seem to be arguing about something I didn't say .....

I have data to back up everything in my post .... so you want to argue about something I didn't say.

Here is the latest update on that state in India that has virtually eliminated Covid.

33 districts in Uttar Pradesh are now Covid-free: State govt

Overall, the state has a total of 199 active cases, while the positivity rate came down to less than 0.01 per cent.

www.hindustantimes.com

If you were at all interested in how they accomplished this .... you would do your own research into what made their approach so effective.

Here is what you said Bob, "I have shown before that effective home treatments exist .... there is a state in India of about 300 million people where Covid has been almost irradiated." We are not idiots you have been preaching ivermectin and India for months even though there are numerous confounding variables. A newspaper article from a set period of time is not research Bob. Covid also went down in the other states of India where Ivermectin was not available. Covid is cyclical.

 

[Bob B]

Here is what you said Bob, "I have shown before that effective home treatments exist .... there is a state in India of about 300 million people where Covid has been almost irradiated." We are not idiots you have been preaching ivermectin and India for months even though there are numerous confounding variables. A newspaper article from a set period of time is not research Bob. Covid also went down in the other states of India where Ivermectin was not available. Covid is cyclical.

I can only show you what you are willing to see .... This is not a snapshot in time.... it has been the same for a long time in the area I posted.
Just keep your head in the sand and you won't have to see what is right in front of you.

 

[Cdkipp]

Below is a link to a chart showing the death rate per capita .... as you can see, the US is #19 highest .... and some countries deaths per capita have been 10 times less than ours.

What have those countries been doing differently than us?

COVID-19 pandemic death rates by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Well for that to be a valid comparison we would have to have amongst many things (1) same demographics (2) same accuracy in recordkeeping (3) same definitions (4) same non-medical interventions (5) same diet and underlying health conditions. It is correlative only. This is EXACTLY why you have randomized double-blind controlled trials. That is how science answers these questions.

 

[Bob B]

Well for that to be a valid comparison we would have to have amongst many things (1) same demographics (2) same accuracy in recordkeeping (3) same definitions (4) same non-medical interventions (5) same diet and underlying health conditions. It is correlative only. This is EXACTLY why you have randomized double-blind controlled trials. That is how science answers these questions.

Keep scratching .... I'm sure you can find a reason to ignore the elephant that is right in front of you.

 

[Cdkipp]

I can only show you what you are willing to see .... This is not a snapshot in time.... it has been the same for a long time in the area I posted.
Just keep your head in the sand and you won't have to see what is right in front of you.

Simply look at all of India Bob. Not just the state that gave ivermectin. easy peasy. There goes your argument poof. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/

 

[Bob B]

Simply look at all of India Bob. Not just the state that gave ivermectin. easy peasy. There goes your argument poof. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/

All of India didn't do what this state did .... are you only interested in trying to dismiss it as irrelevant.

Do you really have no interest in finding out how they were so successful?

 

[Cdkipp]

Keep scratching .... I'm sure you can find a reason to ignore the elephant that is right in front of you.

Large Randomized controlled double-blind study vs something BOB saw in the Hindu times. Sure I am the one with my head in the sane, I know the India story backwards and forwards.

 

[Cdkipp]

All of India didn't do what this state did .... are you only interested in trying to dismiss it as irrelevant.

Sure it did LOOK.

 

[Bob B]

Large Randomized controlled double-blind study vs something BOB saw in the Hindu times. Sure I am the one with my head in the sane, I know the India story backwards and forwards.

You only think you know .... You have no interest in what made this area so successful.

 

[Cdkipp]

Large Randomized controlled double-blind study vs something BOB saw in the Hindu times. Sure I am the one with my head in the sane, I know the India story backwards and forwards.

Even if it were true Bob (it isn't) what would it mean. That state made ivermectin available. they have no idea or record of who took it or when. Ivermectin always was of interest due to its antiviral properties but it does not work in this situation. why is that so hard?