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Dr Strangetroll : or how I learned to stop arguing and be amused by the intransigence

I am not trying to explain it away. I am trying to get you to tell me what is so special about Uttar Pradesh.
I want you to actually think about it ....,. research it and tell me. I won't do any good to tell you what I think.

I want you to tell me why the US death rate per capita is so upside down when compared to the rest of the world.

..... but you would have to actually do some critical thinking instead of Googling.
 
I want you to actually think about it ....,. research it and tell me. I won't do any good to tell you what I think.

I want you to tell me why the US death rate per capita is so upside down when compared to the rest of the world.

..... but you would have to actually do some critical thinking instead of Googling.
(1) Awful demographics, many underlying conditions--unhealthy population, (2) numerous international airports and international traffic, (3) multiple administrative missteps in early response,(4) continued, almost incomprehensible, failure to declare Covid airborne and respond accordingly (this continues), (5) awful messaging on masking early, (6) US has a bad health care system (30th in world) focusing almost completely on expensive treatment and medication but not on prevention (7) a culture of individuality that prevents effective long term population-based responses (8) rampant misinformation and politicization of the issue (9) effective recordkeeping that makes the US look worse comparatively.
 
(1) Awful demographics, many underlying conditions--unhealthy population, (2) numerous international airports and international traffic, (3) multiple administrative missteps in early response,(4) continued, almost incomprehensible, failure to declare Covid airborne and respond accordingly (this continues), (5) awful messaging on masking early, (6) US has a bad health care system (30th in world) focusing almost completely on expensive treatment and medication but not on prevention (7) a culture of individuality that prevents effective long term population-based responses (8) rampant misinformation and politicization of the issue (9) effective recordkeeping that makes the US look worse comparatively.
I actually agree somewhat on number 6 ..... I think our record keeping is probably a part of it, but only a small part ..... not enough to dismiss it.
Many of the others apply to the rest of the world or just try to explain it away or put the blame on somebody you don't like.
The point is .... our approach hasn't worked very well .... the status quo is broken when it comes to this pandemic response

We have to STUDY those who have been successful instead of just dismissing it.
 
I actually agree somewhat on number 6 ..... I think our record keeping is probably a part of it, but only a small part ..... not enough to dismiss it.
Many of the others apply to the rest of the world or just try to explain it away or put the blame on somebody you don't like.
The point is .... our approach hasn't worked very well .... the status quo is broken when it comes to this pandemic response

We have to STUDY those who have been successful instead of just dismissing it.
Okay have you studied Uttar Pradesh? What is it you they have done?
 
I actually agree somewhat on number 6 ..... I think our record keeping is probably a part of it, but only a small part ..... not enough to dismiss it.
Many of the others apply to the rest of the world or just try to explain it away or put the blame on somebody you don't like.
The point is .... our approach hasn't worked very well .... the status quo is broken when it comes to this pandemic response

We have to STUDY those who have been successful instead of just dismissing it.
There are many countries much more focused on air quality. It does not just have to mean masking. We have exacting water quality but constantly rebreathe others air throughout the day. Clean air, like solar energy, is very achievable and would make us be able to interact inside nearly as safely as outside.
 
Okay have you studied Uttar Pradesh? What is it you they have done?
I included that in the initial post about them.

They did relentless contact tracing ..... provided everyone with a home med kit to be used if they know they had been exposed or if one of their family members had Covid and was going to expose them.
The home med kit included several supplements along with antivirals to be used as EARLY treatment or prophylaxes'.

That is why I keep bringing up our total lack of CDC advice about things we can do for prevention and early treatment to kill Covid before it gets a foot hold in the body.

Why do you think they were successful?
 
What is the source?
Interim results from the Together Trial in Hamilton Canada..Not yet published as they were only interim. The results were so significant they were presented to the National Institute of Health. This is one of the slides. They are waiting for final results which is why the US and most other countries put ivermectin on hold. Results should be early next year. These interim results combined with the withdrawal of early ivermectin studies has led to the hold. NIH has not taken a position on Ivermectin either way except to wait. The other problem is that the lab studies that should the ability of ivermectin to stop viral replication in the lab were at doses that could not be achieved in mice, or humans, without killing them.
 
There are many countries much more focused on air quality. It does not just have to mean masking. We have exacting water quality but constantly rebreathe others air throughout the day. Clean air, like solar energy, is very achievable and would make us be able to interact inside nearly as safely as outside.
I agree .... I have 2 hepa filter running in my house. One in the bedroom and one in the living room.

Businesses could even have portable hepa filtration that would help.
 
I included that in the initial post about them.

They did relentless contact tracing ..... provided everyone with a home med kit to be used if they know they had been exposed or if one of their family members had Covid and was going to expose them.
The home med kit included several supplements along with antivirals to be used as EARLY treatment or prophylaxes'.

That is why I keep bringing up our total lack of CDC advice about things we can do for prevention and early treatment to kill Covid before it gets a foot hold in the body.

Why do you think they were successful?
I do agree we have done nothing good with contact tracing. We also really really suck at monitoring by sequencing for variants. The only reason the US has no Omicraon yet is they suck at looking for it. The US is AWFUL at public health and preventative medicine which is one of the reasons we pay vastly more for much lower quality care.
 
I do agree we have done nothing good with contact tracing. We also really really suck at monitoring by sequencing for variants. The only reason the US has no Omicraon yet is they suck at looking for it. The US is AWFUL at public health and preventative medicine which is one of the reasons we pay vastly more for much lower quality care.
See .... we do have things we agree about.

I think healthcare is great at emergency medicine .... but totally sucks for general health.
 
I agree .... I have 2 hepa filter running in my house. One in the bedroom and one in the living room.

Businesses could even have portable hepa filtration that would help.
Many articles. instructions, and videos on the Corsi box. Easy to make and match air cleaners costing thousand or more. Criminal we do not have these sitting in every class room and community room until we figure out long-term ventilation. Studies showing just the impact of an open window are dramatic. Here again, is where CDC is slow-moving when we need adaptation. https://www.brown.edu/academics/pub...lds-and-installs-corsi-rosenthal-air-cleaners
 
See .... we do have things we agree about.

I think healthcare is great at emergency medicine .... but totally sucks for general health.
I say it as "the US is the best in the world at keeping one guy alive in a specific situation but the rest---not so much".
 
 
They have no interest because if a therapy like ivermectin works, their totalitarian plans fall apart.
So they had to destroy it.
That pfizer pill will stop the vaccine mandates if it works. Will they allow that ?
You are so weird. I would be ecstatic if ivermectin is shown to work, I'm just not blindly ignoring studies and grasping at anectdotal evidence like some. Why are you so invested in the idea that ivermectin is a maguc bullet somehow.
 
Yes that is the one. They are the same one that found in the interim results that generic prozac was effective in early covid. They are testing numerous generic drugs..otc and prescriptions to look at effectivness. They also found aspirin wasn't effective.
 
See .... we do have things we agree about.

I think healthcare is great at emergency medicine .... but totally sucks for general health.
Bob this website actually presents my point more effectively than the previous one I cited. This has graphs of every state over time. My comment is that the focus on Uttar Pradesh by the ivermectin proponents is very odd and misleading as they call this a miracle while the same thing was happening in states that did not allow ivermectin. I know you are saying that we should look at the overall lower number in some countries as compared to the US (I will do that also) but the press around Uttar Pradesh was driven by the ivermectin proponents as proof. These charts really seem to draw that into question as you see the same pattern all over the country (and it is a pattern we are very familiar with in the US). Covid comes in like a lion and then just drops. Looks like that is happening in Michigan right now. If Uttar Pradesh had this pattern in isolation to all surrounding states the argument would make more sense on a correlative basis. But that is not what I see in these charts if you look at them carefully. https://science.thewire.in/covid19
 
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