Possible increase of heart attack risk after mRNA vaccine.

[Kapow_Network]

There is no anger. Annoyance sure but not anger. As for giving a summary, you have already exceed the time I give to simpletons.

As for giving a summary, you have already exceed[ed] the time I give to simpletons. - LOL! Thanks I'll need to remember this one! Hope everyone is having a fun Friday.

 

[stuart_]

Maybe you should read what both sides think so you can realize one side is lying ?

Has the Bible been Corrupted over the last 2000 Years ?

Through the centuries, minor differences arose in the various copies of the Scriptures. The vast majority of these differences are simple spelling variants (akin to American neighbor versus British neighbour), inverted words (one manuscript says “Christ Jesus” while another says “Jesus Christ”), or an easily identified missing word. In short, over 99 percent of the biblical text is not questioned. Of the less than 1 percent of the text that is in question, no doctrinal teaching or command is jeopardized. In other words, the copies of the Bible we have today are pure. The Bible has not been corrupted, altered, edited, revised, or tampered with.

Any unbiased document scholar will agree that the Bible has been remarkably well-preserved over the centuries. Copies of the Bible dating to the 14th century AD are nearly identical in content to copies from the 3rd century AD. When the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered, scholars were shocked to see how similar they were to other ancient copies of the Old Testament, even though the Dead Sea Scrolls were hundreds of years older than anything previously discovered. Even many hardened skeptics and critics of the Bible admit that the Bible has been transmitted over the centuries far more accurately than any other ancient document.

There is absolutely no evidence that the Bible has been revised, edited, or tampered with in any systematic manner. The sheer volume of biblical manuscripts makes it simple to recognize any attempt to distort God’s Word. There is no major doctrine of the Bible that is put in doubt as a result of the inconsequential differences among the manuscripts.

Has the Bible been corrupted, altered, edited, revised, or tampered with? | GotQuestions.org

Has the Bible been corrupted, altered, edited, revised, or tampered with? Can we trust the reliability of the Bibles we have today?

www.gotquestions.org

"Any unbiased document scholar will agree that the Bible has been remarkably well-preserved over the centuries." This statement is controversial. To wit: the apocrypha.The Roman Catholics omitted texts that reduced their authority. Specifically those where Jesus suggested that the individual did not need a church at all as the church was in them. Bad news for the tithers.

"Maybe you should read what both sides think so you can realize one side is lying ?" My religious studies in college were taught by professors with a variety of views. My favorite was a christian minister. "one side is lying" is not really a rebuttal.

 

[Cdkipp]

"Any unbiased document scholar will agree that the Bible has been remarkably well-preserved over the centuries." This statement is controversial. To wit: the apocrypha.The Roman Catholics omitted texts that reduced their authority. Specifically those where Jesus suggested that the individual did not need a church at all as the church was in them. Bad news for the tithers.

"Maybe you should read what both sides think so you can realize one side is lying ?" My religious studies in college were taught by professors with a variety of views. My favorite was a christian minister. "one side is lying" is not really a rebuttal.

Yes, BMcl's "argument" completely ignores church and biblical history but that is par for the course.

There is a reason Christianity requires faith. BMcl doesn't grasp that.

 

[Samsonite801]

I will take a swing at this and respectfully disagree with the earlier statements.

We need to look at this question on two fronts: (1) how the vaccine works on an individual basis and (2) how vaccination works on a population basis.

I will need a while to come up with citations as this is ongoing research but, on an individual level, it is not accurate to say the vaccine does not reduce transmission. It does. The vaccine was not created for Delta, it was over 90% effective against early Covid. What we have now in the immune response to the vaccine and Delta looks like a sliding scale due to Delta diminishing the impact of the antibodies produced by the vaccine. The highest percentage of effectiveness remains against hospitalization and death but then we see the diminished strength as it relates to preventing symptomatic infection and asymptomatic infection. However, the vaccine still reduces both transmission and length of infection. These two factors then work in tandem to protect others. However, this response diminishes with natural infection immunity and vaccine-induced immunity over six months (whether this happens with the booster remains to be seen). Clearly, an individual shortly after vaccination or natural infection is highly unlikely to get infected. As the immunity diminishes that changes.

Second, from a public health perspective, vaccines really are not viewed as an individual protection measure (although that is how marketed) but a population-based measure. Here, we are not only focused on individual health but also on protecting our infrastructure and economy for the long-term health of the population. This gets us more in line with the herd immunity line of thinking than the individual. It is also wrong to think of herd immunity as being all or nothing as often done in the press. Herd immunity is also on a sliding scale. The impact of the US campaigns against polio and measles, do relate to individual protection but are mostly due to robbing these of their ability to get established. Think of Covid, Measles, and Polio with their extremely high transmissibility as fire and all of us as the forest. View the vaccine as water. A wildfire will destroy the entire forest but a water-soaked forest can significantly slow, or stop, the spread. Yes, individual trees will still get burnt and damaged but the fire will die out or become manageable. Fires die without fuel and viruses die without fuel. We are the fuel and vaccine is our water.

Perhaps you may view the vaccine as water, which it could really be. I also view natural immunity as water too, in fact in my opinion, I would be more likely to believe that natural immunity would be more effective than any man-made vaccine could even touch.

Based on my experience, man can only begin to slightly mimic the miracles that nature already does naturally. Like humans act like we invented flying airplanes, but birds have always flown right in front of our eyes since the dawn of man.

Like Bill Gates thinks we need to build these big giant man-made machines for processing / sequestering CO2, but trees and plant-life already do this more effectively, and at a way cheaper price. Are drug companies in charge of this rush to assure us all that we need their vaccine cure? I prefer to give my faith to the natural way first, before I subscribe to the man-made 'solution'...

 

[Shale MacGregor]

As for giving a summary, you have already exceed[ed] the time I give to simpletons. - LOL! Thanks I'll need to remember this one! Hope everyone is having a fun Friday.

Yup just my inverters wired up, next is generator source and then rest of batteries

 

[Cdkipp]

Perhaps you may view the vaccine as water, which it could really be. I also view natural immunity as water too, in fact in my opinion, I would be more likely to believe that natural immunity would be more effective than any man-made vaccine could even touch.

Based on my experience, man can only begin to slightly mimic the miracles that nature already does naturally. Like humans act like we invented flying airplanes, but birds have always flown right in front of our eyes since the dawn of man.

Like Bill Gates thinks we need to build these big giant man-made machines for processing / sequestering CO2, but trees and plant-life already do this more effectively, and at a way cheaper price. Are drug companies in charge of this rush to assure us all that we need their vaccine cure? I prefer to give my faith to the natural way first, before I subscribe to the man-made 'solution'...

I included natural immunity. You will still need a booster. The vaccine maximizes the immune response without risking your life or the lives of your neighbors. We have used vaccines since the 1700's.

 

[Shale MacGregor]

"Any unbiased document scholar will agree that the Bible has been remarkably well-preserved over the centuries." This statement is controversial. To wit: the apocrypha.The Roman Catholics omitted texts that reduced their authority. Specifically those where Jesus suggested that the individual did not need a church at all as the church was in them. Bad news for the tithers.

"Maybe you should read what both sides think so you can realize one side is lying ?" My religious studies in college were taught by professors with a variety of views. My favorite was a christian minister. "one side is lying" is not really a rebuttal.

The danger is from those who aren't lying but zealously wrong.

 

[stuart_]

here is a well sourced blurb...

The Bible is the holy scripture of the Christian religion, purporting to tell the history of the Earth from its earliest creation to the spread of Christianity in the first century A.D. Both the Old Testament and the New Testament have undergone changes over the centuries, including the the publication of the King James Bible in 1611 and the addition of several books that were discovered later.

Old Testament

The Old Testament is the first section of the Bible, covering the creation of Earth through Noah and the flood, Moses and more, finishing with the Jews being expelled to Babylon.

The Bible’s Old Testament is very similar to the Hebrew Bible, which has origins in the ancient religion of Judaism. The exact beginnings of the Jewish religion are unknown, but the first known mention of Israel is an Egyptian inscription from the 13th century B.C.

The earliest known mention of the Jewish god Yahweh is in an inscription relating to the King of Moab in the 9th century B.C. It is speculated that Yahweh was possibly adapted from the mountain god Yhw in ancient Seir or Edom.

READ MORE: Explore 10 Biblical Sites: Photos

Hezekiah

It was during the reign of Hezekiah of Judah in the 8th century B.C. that historians believe what would become the Old Testament began to take form, the result of royal scribes recording royal history and heroic legends.

During the reign of Josiah in the 6th century B.C., the books of Deuteronomy and Judges were compiled and added. The final form of the Hebrew Bible developed over the next 200 years when Judah was swallowed up by the expanding Persian Empire.

Septuagint

Following conquest by Alexander the Great, the Hebrew Bible was translated into Greek in the 3rd century B.C.

Known as the Septuagint, this Greek translation was initiated at the request of King Ptolemy of Egypt to be included in the library of Alexandria. The Septuagint was the version of the Bible used by early Christians in Rome.

The Book of Daniel was written during this period and included in the Septuagint at the last moment, though the text itself claims to have been written sometime around 586 B.C.

READ MORE: Why the King James Bible of 1604 Remains the Most Popular Translation in History

New Testament

The New Testament tells the story of the life of Jesus and the early days of Christianity, most notably Paul’s efforts to spread Jesus’ teaching. It collects 27 books, all originally written in Greek.

The sections of the New Testament concerning Jesus are called the Gospels and were written about 40 years after the earliest written Christian materials, the letters of Paul, known as the Epistles.

Paul’s letters were distributed by churches sometime around 50 A.D., possibly just before Paul’s death. Scribes copied the letters and kept them in circulation. As circulation continued, the letters were collected into books.

Some in the church, inspired by Paul, began to write and circulate their own letters, and so historians believe that some books of the New Testament attributed to Paul were in fact written by disciples and imitators.

As Paul’s words were circulated, an oral tradition began in churches telling stories about Jesus, including teachings and accounts of post-resurrection appearances. Sections of the New Testament attributed to Paul talk about Jesus with a firsthand feeling, but Paul never knew Jesus except in visions he had, and the Gospels were not yet written at the time of Paul’s letters.

The Gospels

The oral traditions within the church formed the substance of the Gospels, the earliest book of which is Mark, written around 70 A.D., 40 years after the death of Jesus.

It is theorized there may have been an original document of sayings by Jesus known as the Q source, which was adapted into the narratives of the Gospels. All four Gospels were published anonymously, but historians believe that the books were given the name of Jesus’ disciples to provide direct links to Jesus to lend them greater authority.

Matthew and Luke were next in the chronology. Both used Mark as a reference, but Matthew is considered to have another separate source, known as the M source, as it contains some different material from Mark. Both books also stress the proof of Jesus’ divinity more than Mark did.

The Book of John, written around 100 A.D., was the final of the four and has a reputation for hostility to Jesus’ Jewish contemporaries.

All four books cover the life of Jesus with many similarities, but sometimes contradictions in their portrayals. Each is considered to have its own political and religious agenda linked to authorship.

For instance, the books of Matthew and Luke present different accounts of Jesus’ birth, and all contradict each other about the resurrection.



And what about Thomas?

 

[stuart_]

Perhaps you may view the vaccine as water, which it could really be. I also view natural immunity as water too, in fact in my opinion, I would be more likely to believe that natural immunity would be more effective than any man-made vaccine could even touch.

Based on my experience, man can only begin to slightly mimic the miracles that nature already does naturally. Like humans act like we invented flying airplanes, but birds have always flown right in front of our eyes since the dawn of man.

Like Bill Gates thinks we need to build these big giant man-made machines for processing / sequestering CO2, but trees and plant-life already do this more effectively, and at a way cheaper price. Are drug companies in charge of this rush to assure us all that we need their vaccine cure? I prefer to give my faith to the natural way first, before I subscribe to the man-made 'solution'...

We already have natural solar panels, they are called leaves. So why do you use the man made version? And then there's polio.

 

[Cdkipp]

here is a well sourced blurb...

The Bible is the holy scripture of the Christian religion, purporting to tell the history of the Earth from its earliest creation to the spread of Christianity in the first century A.D. Both the Old Testament and the New Testament have undergone changes over the centuries, including the the publication of the King James Bible in 1611 and the addition of several books that were discovered later.

Old Testament

The Old Testament is the first section of the Bible, covering the creation of Earth through Noah and the flood, Moses and more, finishing with the Jews being expelled to Babylon.

The Bible’s Old Testament is very similar to the Hebrew Bible, which has origins in the ancient religion of Judaism. The exact beginnings of the Jewish religion are unknown, but the first known mention of Israel is an Egyptian inscription from the 13th century B.C.

The earliest known mention of the Jewish god Yahweh is in an inscription relating to the King of Moab in the 9th century B.C. It is speculated that Yahweh was possibly adapted from the mountain god Yhw in ancient Seir or Edom.

READ MORE: Explore 10 Biblical Sites: Photos

Hezekiah

It was during the reign of Hezekiah of Judah in the 8th century B.C. that historians believe what would become the Old Testament began to take form, the result of royal scribes recording royal history and heroic legends.

During the reign of Josiah in the 6th century B.C., the books of Deuteronomy and Judges were compiled and added. The final form of the Hebrew Bible developed over the next 200 years when Judah was swallowed up by the expanding Persian Empire.

Septuagint

Following conquest by Alexander the Great, the Hebrew Bible was translated into Greek in the 3rd century B.C.

Known as the Septuagint, this Greek translation was initiated at the request of King Ptolemy of Egypt to be included in the library of Alexandria. The Septuagint was the version of the Bible used by early Christians in Rome.

The Book of Daniel was written during this period and included in the Septuagint at the last moment, though the text itself claims to have been written sometime around 586 B.C.

READ MORE: Why the King James Bible of 1604 Remains the Most Popular Translation in History

New Testament

The New Testament tells the story of the life of Jesus and the early days of Christianity, most notably Paul’s efforts to spread Jesus’ teaching. It collects 27 books, all originally written in Greek.

The sections of the New Testament concerning Jesus are called the Gospels and were written about 40 years after the earliest written Christian materials, the letters of Paul, known as the Epistles.

Paul’s letters were distributed by churches sometime around 50 A.D., possibly just before Paul’s death. Scribes copied the letters and kept them in circulation. As circulation continued, the letters were collected into books.

Some in the church, inspired by Paul, began to write and circulate their own letters, and so historians believe that some books of the New Testament attributed to Paul were in fact written by disciples and imitators.

As Paul’s words were circulated, an oral tradition began in churches telling stories about Jesus, including teachings and accounts of post-resurrection appearances. Sections of the New Testament attributed to Paul talk about Jesus with a firsthand feeling, but Paul never knew Jesus except in visions he had, and the Gospels were not yet written at the time of Paul’s letters.

The Gospels

The oral traditions within the church formed the substance of the Gospels, the earliest book of which is Mark, written around 70 A.D., 40 years after the death of Jesus.

It is theorized there may have been an original document of sayings by Jesus known as the Q source, which was adapted into the narratives of the Gospels. All four Gospels were published anonymously, but historians believe that the books were given the name of Jesus’ disciples to provide direct links to Jesus to lend them greater authority.

Matthew and Luke were next in the chronology. Both used Mark as a reference, but Matthew is considered to have another separate source, known as the M source, as it contains some different material from Mark. Both books also stress the proof of Jesus’ divinity more than Mark did.

The Book of John, written around 100 A.D., was the final of the four and has a reputation for hostility to Jesus’ Jewish contemporaries.

All four books cover the life of Jesus with many similarities, but sometimes contradictions in their portrayals. Each is considered to have its own political and religious agenda linked to authorship.

For instance, the books of Matthew and Luke present different accounts of Jesus’ birth, and all contradict each other about the resurrection.



And what about Thomas?

BMcl's repeated MO is to just blurt things that takes thoughtful people an enormous amount of time to thoroughly respond. This is the danger of misinformation we face today.

 

[Samsonite801]

I included natural immunity. You will still need a booster. The vaccine maximizes the immune response without risking your life or the lives of your neighbors. We have used vaccines since the 1700's.

Point taken about the natural immunity included, thanks.

No, no booster. Did you see that video I posted earlier about how well does naturally immunity stand the test of time? Ok, I may still get some mutated variant of Covid again later, but my natural immunity from the original strain will still be in my cells and it will wake up and adjust itself to the new variant (build new revised antibodies), and sure I may have some symptoms like get flu-like and cough for a few days but if I am otherwise healthy like not obese, good Vitamin D levels, good circulation, not have too much inflammation or leaky gut or anything, then my chances are very high that it will just pass in a few days.

I'm just simple (perhaps could call me a simpleton of sorts), but I prefer to live simply and not clutter my thoughts with all the extra steps everyone says I need in order to live a happy and fulfilled life. If I do die of a future variant of Covid, then I guess I'll see you on the other side bro... For now, happy trails ?

 

[MurphyGuy]

Didn't work so well in Iraq or Afghanistan, now did it?
Nor the "War on Drugs"

Those are not the same things.

Similarly, one political party's attempt to maintain subjugation of a particular ethnic group.

So nothing new.

Full frontal attacks result in a call to arms and bringing people together for a common cause.

Attacks and influence are different measuring sticks.

Instead, pretending to be their friend and "helping" them has proven far more effective.

Let me know how pretending to be their friend and helping them works with the war on drugs...

 

[time2roll]

If ones main decision to getting vaccinated is to protect oneself, you're doing the right thing. But because this is an imperfect "leaky" vaccine, the benefits mostly stop with yourself (aside from hospitilization) as one can still contract and spread the virus. Dont be naive and think you're protecting (except for staying out of the hospital) others by not being a carrier. Great care should still be taken as there will ALWAYS be people around you who wont, cant, or shouldn't, get the vaccine, for there own reasons. Shouldn't that be respected too?
I have people I am required to be in close contact with weekly, and still take great care (distancing, daily self symptom check awareness, etc) before interacting with them.

Don't be naive that the vaccine does nothing for all these situations to help reduce the spread to others.

 

[BMcL]

Social Security Administration, everything is spelled out for you when applying for said benefits, even the fact that benefits/liabilities can be changed at any time. Like I said, for someone who despises them so much, also wanted and sought the services of that particular agency....or were you also "forced" to sign.

Your thinking seems illogical. They have jobs they are paid to perform. But no one is making them show up for work ?
The whole dam building was empty and locked; essentially because it's too "dangerous" to work in an office these days.

Yet private companies have their employees show up for work ?

And what excuse is there to not help someone online ?

 

[Samsonite801]

We already have natural solar panels, they are called leaves. So why do you use the man made version? And then there's polio.

True, I've asked myself this same thing. It is because we developed a dependency on an eco-system we as humans built around electricity, and we haven't yet figured out how to get photosynthesis to move electrons in order for it to be able to interoperate in our man-made eco-system.

 

[time2roll]

It is theorized there may have been an original document of sayings by Jesus known as the Q source, .....

So this Q thing has been around for 2000 years. I had no idea.

 

[BMcL]

So this Q thing has been around for 2000 years. I had no idea.

LOL. But it does make sense that the 12 disciples would write down the sermons Jesus gave to them.

 

[Samsonite801]

Let me know how pretending to be their friend and helping them works with the war on drugs...

I used to do drugs many many years ago. I come from a place of experience. I can go hang out (and have done many times), with the drug crowd, keep my sobriety, party with them, and tell them about how cool life is just in a normal state, play with them and have fun, set a good example of how my life is happy and fulfilling, and some of those people eventually start to follow in my footsteps and realize they don't need a drug to be happy, to acquire an inkling that life can still be fun sober . They start to see that in fact it can be happier and funner to live life free of a dependency that takes their free agency and money away, I do believe it helps...

 

[BMcL]

The Snake-Oil Salesmen and the COVID-Zero Con: A Classic Bait-And-Switch for a Lifetime of Booster Shots (Immunity as a Service)

If a plumber with a lifetime of experience were to tell you that water runs uphill, you would know he is lying and that the lie is not accidental.
It is a lie with a purpose. ...

One of the most common reasons given for mass COVID vaccinations is the idea that if we reach herd immunity through vaccination, we can starve the virus out of existence and get our lives back. It's the COVID-Zero strategy or some variant of it.

By now it is abundantly clear from the epidemiological data that the vaccinated are able to both catch and spread the disease. Clearly vaccination isn't going to make this virus disappear. Only a mind that has lost its grasp on reality can fail to see how ridiculous all this has become.

But a tour through pre-COVID science demonstrates that, from day one, long before you and I had even heard of this virus, it was 100% inevitable and 100% predictable that these vaccines would never be capable of eradicating this coronavirus and would never lead to any kind of lasting herd immunity. Even worse, lockdowns and mass vaccination have created a dangerous set of circumstances that interferes with our immune system's ability to protect us against other respiratory viruses. They also risk driving the evolution of this virus towards mutations that are more dangerous to both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated alike. Lockdowns, mass vaccinations, and mass booster shots were never capable of delivering on any of the promises that were made to the public.

And yet, vaccination has been successfully used to control measles and even to eradicate smallpox. So, why not COVID? ...

This Deep Dive exposes why, from day one, the promise of COVID-Zero can only ever have been a deliberately dishonest shell game designed to prey on a lack of public understanding of how our immune systems work and on how most respiratory viruses differ from other viruses that we routinely vaccinate against. ...

... As this story unfolds it will become clear that the one-two punch of lockdowns and the promise of vaccines as an exit strategy began as a cynical marketing ploy to coerce us into a never-ending regimen of annual booster shots intentionally designed to replace the natural "antivirus security updates" against respiratory viruses that come from hugs and handshakes and from children laughing together at school. We are being played for fools.

This is not to say that there aren't plenty of other opportunists taking advantage of this crisis to pursue other agendas and to tip society into a full-blown police state. One thing quickly morphs into another. …

So, let's dive into the fascinating world of immune systems, viruses, and vaccines, layer by layer, to dispel the myths and false expectations that have been created by deceitful public health officials, pharmaceutical lobbyists, and media manipulators. What emerges as the lies are peeled apart is both surprising and more than a little alarming.

 

[Cdkipp]

The Snake-Oil Salesmen and the COVID-Zero Con: A Classic Bait-And-Switch for a Lifetime of Booster Shots (Immunity as a Service)

If a plumber with a lifetime of experience were to tell you that water runs uphill, you would know he is lying and that the lie is not accidental.
It is a lie with a purpose. ...

One of the most common reasons given for mass COVID vaccinations is the idea that if we reach herd immunity through vaccination, we can starve the virus out of existence and get our lives back. It's the COVID-Zero strategy or some variant of it.

By now it is abundantly clear from the epidemiological data that the vaccinated are able to both catch and spread the disease. Clearly vaccination isn't going to make this virus disappear. Only a mind that has lost its grasp on reality can fail to see how ridiculous all this has become.

But a tour through pre-COVID science demonstrates that, from day one, long before you and I had even heard of this virus, it was 100% inevitable and 100% predictable that these vaccines would never be capable of eradicating this coronavirus and would never lead to any kind of lasting herd immunity. Even worse, lockdowns and mass vaccination have created a dangerous set of circumstances that interferes with our immune system's ability to protect us against other respiratory viruses. They also risk driving the evolution of this virus towards mutations that are more dangerous to both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated alike. Lockdowns, mass vaccinations, and mass booster shots were never capable of delivering on any of the promises that were made to the public.

And yet, vaccination has been successfully used to control measles and even to eradicate smallpox. So, why not COVID? ...

This Deep Dive exposes why, from day one, the promise of COVID-Zero can only ever have been a deliberately dishonest shell game designed to prey on a lack of public understanding of how our immune systems work and on how most respiratory viruses differ from other viruses that we routinely vaccinate against. ...

... As this story unfolds it will become clear that the one-two punch of lockdowns and the promise of vaccines as an exit strategy began as a cynical marketing ploy to coerce us into a never-ending regimen of annual booster shots intentionally designed to replace the natural "antivirus security updates" against respiratory viruses that come from hugs and handshakes and from children laughing together at school. We are being played for fools.

This is not to say that there aren't plenty of other opportunists taking advantage of this crisis to pursue other agendas and to tip society into a full-blown police state. One thing quickly morphs into another. …

So, let's dive into the fascinating world of immune systems, viruses, and vaccines, layer by layer, to dispel the myths and false expectations that have been created by deceitful public health officials, pharmaceutical lobbyists, and media manipulators. What emerges as the lies are peeled apart is both surprising and more than a little alarming.

Are you presenting others' nonsense as your own now? Now you have moved to plagiarizing misinformation?