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I just purchased a 48 volt 25 amp eg4 battery charger from Signature Solar. Charger is for lipo4 batteries but have lead acid batteries for now. Plan is to run my 2000 watt Honda generator to charge the batteries if the power goes out and there's not enough sun to keep the system running. I received my charger three days ago and tested it. It only puts out 5 amps regardless of battery voltage. Some times if I unplugged the 48 volt connection, it will charge 18 amps. Signature Solar saying it is because of the lead acid batteries. I can be down to 47 volts in the battery bank and still only 5 amps out of this charger. Thoughts?
 
Measure voltage at the charger output and at the battery terminals. A poor connection between charger and batteries can produce a large voltage drop.

If you're using the alligator clips that appear to come on that charger, that is NOT a good connection.

LFP charge voltage profiles are very flat with almost all the charge occurring below 3.4-3.45V. Lead-acid voltage increases more rapidly and will hit peak charger voltage long before LFP. However, at 47V, I would expect voltage drop or rapid voltage rise would not be an issue here.

Recommend you measure both voltages and use a DC clamp meter to measure charger output. Take those values and lob them back at Signature. If the charger output voltage is below the absorption voltage, it should output max current.

They do make a 5A version, and "stuff" happens. I wouldn't be surprised if a unit was mislabeled.
 
How is it set?

First, use proper wiring. Alligator clips aren't, or at least not preferred.

Also, the charge curve of lead-acid is different. You can use a LFP charge, but that's not ideal
First, lead-acid likes (well basicly requires) a float, whereas for LFP float is preferably disabled or at least set to a low voltage to prevent overcharging.

Also, depending on the lead-acid variant (AGM, wet, gel), it requires a higher voltage. Some require up to 14.8V for a 12V pack, which would result in 59.2V for a 48V pack.
The charger can provide only up to 58.4V.. thus it might not be able to work properly with all lead acid batteries (although it's not too big of an issue).

Secondly: Charge curve. A LFP will just take basicly anything due to the flat curve. Only at the very end the voltage starts rising, thus lowering the amps.

A lead-acid however has a different curve. The higher the SOC, the higher the voltage (much more compared to LFP). And with a higher voltage there is less of a difference between charger and battery... and a difference is required for any current to flow.
It's not uncommon for lead-acid to charge with high amps when empty, and fasty decreasing current when even a little full. 5A near full doesn't sound too strange to me. Off course it depends on the total capacity how the exact figures would be.

I'd set the voltage as high as possible (58.4V) and see how it goes. It's unlikely you're getting the full 25A till 90% SOC, but that's more generic to LFP than a issue with the charger: Thats one of the benefits of LFP..

Lead acid charging isn't capacity / charge amps = time, while its (almost) fine to do so for LFP, especially at high charge rates. Also keep in mind that lead acid doesn't like high charging amps at all.
200Ah lead charging with 50A: not only probably something like 0.2C charging max (which you're exceeding) its more likely it takes 6-8 hours to FULLY charge.
200Ah LFP with 50A: 4 hours, slightly more, but not off by much.. and generally acceptable, since charge can be 1C, 0.5C or so adviced. Well within specs.

If you're going with the lead acid for a while, better get a different charger for the time beeing, which also allows proper float to keep those batteries topped up properly.

As for the generator: That one is having a hard time... 58V / 25A is 1450 watt.... Your's is only 1000W.
Even at 48V / 25A your generator isn't able to handle it. It will shutdown or worse.

For generator sizing it's recommend to have the required power x2 as rating, so you should have something like 2.8-3kW at least if you want to run it for extended times and not killing the generator fast..

Due to the low charging amps with lead-acid, you might be lucky and be able to run the 1000W just fine, but it's still a guess. With a LFP you need to either upgrade the generator, or downsizing the charger if you want to run it at all (or not want to destroy the generator)
 
How is it set?

First, use proper wiring. Alligator clips aren't, or at least not preferred.

Also, the charge curve of lead-acid is different. You can use a LFP charge, but that's not ideal
First, lead-acid likes (well basicly requires) a float, whereas for LFP float is preferably disabled or at least set to a low voltage to prevent overcharging.

Also, depending on the lead-acid variant (AGM, wet, gel), it requires a higher voltage. Some require up to 14.8V for a 12V pack, which would result in 59.2V for a 48V pack.
The charger can provide only up to 58.4V.. thus it might not be able to work properly with all lead acid batteries (although it's not too big of an issue).

Secondly: Charge curve. A LFP will just take basicly anything due to the flat curve. Only at the very end the voltage starts rising, thus lowering the amps.

A lead-acid however has a different curve. The higher the SOC, the higher the voltage (much more compared to LFP). And with a higher voltage there is less of a difference between charger and battery... and a difference is required for any current to flow.
It's not uncommon for lead-acid to charge with high amps when empty, and fasty decreasing current when even a little full. 5A near full doesn't sound too strange to me. Off course it depends on the total capacity how the exact figures would be.

I'd set the voltage as high as possible (58.4V) and see how it goes. It's unlikely you're getting the full 25A till 90% SOC, but that's more generic to LFP than a issue with the charger: Thats one of the benefits of LFP..

Lead acid charging isn't capacity / charge amps = time, while its (almost) fine to do so for LFP, especially at high charge rates. Also keep in mind that lead acid doesn't like high charging amps at all.
200Ah lead charging with 50A: not only probably something like 0.2C charging max (which you're exceeding) its more likely it takes 6-8 hours to FULLY charge.
200Ah LFP with 50A: 4 hours, slightly more, but not off by much.. and generally acceptable, since charge can be 1C, 0.5C or so adviced. Well within specs.

If you're going with the lead acid for a while, better get a different charger for the time beeing, which also allows proper float to keep those batteries topped up properly.

As for the generator: That one is having a hard time... 58V / 25A is 1450 watt.... Your's is only 1000W.
Even at 48V / 25A your generator isn't able to handle it. It will shutdown or worse.

For generator sizing it's recommend to have the required power x2 as rating, so you should have something like 2.8-3kW at least if you want to run it for extended times and not killing the generator fast..

Due to the low charging amps with lead-acid, you might be lucky and be able to run the 1000W just fine, but it's still a guess. With a LFP you need to either upgrade the generator, or downsizing the charger if you want to run it at all (or not want to destroy the generator)
2000 watt generator
 
Uses Anderson plug 50 amps for conection. Not voltage drop through plug, 6 gauge wire 5 foot long, 4 D8 batteries, with 9 group 31 batteries.

I expect amps to drop off after 56volts seeing how this charger is for lip04 chemistry
 
Picture of set up. There 4 D8 batteries under the bench also. Set up till the eg4 batteries get in stock.
 

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I am doing pretty much the same thing with LIfePO4 batteries. If a hurricane comes through and my panels are down and the grid is down I can charge the batteries to get some power for the 220V AC units to run a bit at night.
 
I just purchased a 48 volt 25 amp eg4 battery charger from Signature Solar. Charger is for lipo4 batteries but have lead acid batteries for now. Plan is to run my 2000 watt Honda generator to charge the batteries if the power goes out and there's not enough sun to keep the system running. I received my charger three days ago and tested it. It only puts out 5 amps regardless of battery voltage. Some times if I unplugged the 48 volt connection, it will charge 18 amps. Signature Solar saying it is because of the lead acid batteries. I can be down to 47 volts in the battery bank and still only 5 amps out of this charger. Thoughts?
Run multiple leads from Charger to different places on the battery - https://diysolarforum.com/threads/low-amps-4a-from-10a-charger-to-300a-batteries-solved.29484/
 
The charger is at signature solar being tested. In the meantime I did find a 15 amp 48 volt lead acid charger for $50 on Facebook marketplace. It was new believe it or not. Probably all I really need.
 
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A switched charger is fine, but there are some old transformer-based ones also available. Those are just a transformer with some diodes basicly and do output higher voltages than LFP would like. Will also mentioned this in one of his video's
 
Not too happy with signature solar. The wouldn't test it because it was modified with an Anderson plug. But they did send it back free of charge,. Happy about that. It still puts out 250 watts and some times goes to 900 watts. I need to buy 400 amp hours worth of batteries,. Not sure if this is the company to deal with. I want the eg4.
 
Not too happy with signature solar. The wouldn't test it because it was modified with an Anderson plug. But they did send it back free of charge,. Happy about that. It still puts out 250 watts and some times goes to 900 watts. I need to buy 400 amp hours worth of batteries,. Not sure if this is the company to deal with. I want the eg4.
That's disappointing to hear, I purchased that 25 Amp charger last month for same scenario, wanted to switch to Anderson connector. I called the company and asked if doing that would void the warranty. The answer was no, changing out the clips wouldn't. Fortunately mine is charging fine on my LiPo. Do you know anybody locally that has a 48 volt Lipo4 system to test your charger on? Another item added to my to do list. Put Anderson connector on the clips in case I have to send charger in for warranty testing. Then cross fingers?
 
That's disappointing to hear, I purchased that 25 Amp charger last month for same scenario, wanted to switch to Anderson connector. I called the company and asked if doing that would void the warranty. The answer was no, changing out the clips wouldn't. Fortunately mine is charging fine on my LiPo. Do you know anybody locally that has a 48 volt Lipo4 system to test your charger on? Another item added to my to do list. Put Anderson connector on the clips in case I have to send charger in for warranty testing. Then cross fingers?
How is the output on yours? Have you put an amp meter on it to see?
 
Your AC voltage source may also contribute to amperage, weak gensets have been known to contribute to lower amperage
 
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