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My next inverter! (Sol-Ark)

Wow. $6900. This looks like just what I have been searching for, but that price makes it out of reach. Looking to replace my Xantrex GT3.0 (it's >10 years old now) and add batteries to time shift loads to take advantage of ToD pricing. The 11am - 7pm window already covers the solar panel production window, so just need something that uses batteries during the high-price window, and charges off-peak (in addition to using the solar input). The implicit battery backup feature is a bonus. @Samsonite801 how many did you need to get direct pricing? Are you allowed to say what price you got?
 
Wow. $6900. This looks like just what I have been searching for, but that price makes it out of reach
There are others with battery functionality in the $3,000 price range. If you want grid tie with battery backup look for hybrid inverters. There are some for less money but no UL certificates.
BTW, I only got 7 years out of my GT 3.0.
 
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There are others with battery functionality in the $3,000 price range. If you want grid tie with battery backup look for hybrid inverters. There are some for less money but no UL certificates.
BTW, I only got 7 years out of my GT 3.0.
They (Xantrex / Schneider) had a capacitor problem. If I read the letter correctly, caps were blowing up inside the units. Did you get the recall retrofit?

Yeah, whatever I get would need to have the UL certs. Not connecting something that hasn't been tested and certified. And neither the township nor the utility would let me anyway.
 
. Did you get the recall retrofit?
No, it was a long time ago and I had moved so maybe I missed the notice. The SolarEdge I replaced it with gave me remote monitoring and that alone was worth it. Earlier I did get a refund from BP on some panels on that same system.
 
Wow. $6900. This looks like just what I have been searching for, but that price makes it out of reach. Looking to replace my Xantrex GT3.0 (it's >10 years old now) and add batteries to time shift loads to take advantage of ToD pricing. The 11am - 7pm window already covers the solar panel production window, so just need something that uses batteries during the high-price window, and charges off-peak (in addition to using the solar input). The implicit battery backup feature is a bonus. @Samsonite801 how many did you need to get direct pricing? Are you allowed to say what price you got?

They gave us 10% discount for having an order of 20 or something like that... (I think we filled our first 10 and committed to another 10 on next order which may have already completed now).
 
I think I have a serious problem.
You remember when you were 13 and had a crush?

That's how I am now about this SolarArk 12k.???

Here’s an example of a 12k with AC coupled solaredge, xuba 280ah’s, and no DC PV.
 

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That thing is huge!!!

How its working with your EVE cells?, all good?
 
That thing is huge!!!

How its working with your EVE cells?, all good?
Wide angle lens effects. Not all that big, but then I've only had these two inverters to play with.
No issues with the EVE cells so far. 2p16s. I briefly worked with BYD packs which were a nightmare in comparison. You can probably see the bms and other test equipment connected. These will all go away after I'm done playing.
 
Wow. $6900. This looks like just what I have been searching for, but that price makes it out of reach. Looking to replace my Xantrex GT3.0 (it's >10 years old now) and add batteries to time shift loads to take advantage of ToD pricing. The 11am - 7pm window already covers the solar panel production window, so just need something that uses batteries during the high-price window, and charges off-peak (in addition to using the solar input). The implicit battery backup feature is a bonus. @Samsonite801 how many did you need to get direct pricing? Are you allowed to say what price you got?
Yeah, it is everything I personally want, but expensive. I put together my 10kw array, 20kwh battery, and growatt 12000t for the same cost. I have some of those Deye jet-engine inverters for grid-tie limited inverters.

Which, speaking of, they make inverters with approximately feature parity: https://www.deyeinverter.com/product/hybrid-inverter-1/sun8-10-12ksg01lp3.html
Although I presume the quality and support is about what you pay for. Maybe I can get one of these sol-ark in a few years.

Edit: They had the US models listed the last time I checked. Anyways, here is an example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Deye-8Kw-A...rter-220V-Single-phase-120V-240-/154108182679 I haven't found a good review of one yet. Although, now I want to just save for sol-ark.

Edit Edit: According to this thread: https://diysolarforum.com/threads/deye-inverter-ul-listed-available-in-us.13942/ The Sol-Ark and Deye inverter are related. I would have done the Deye inverter if I knew a trusted reseller in the US, apparently Sol-Ark is that _reseller_ in that they manufacture theirs with Deye components perhaps.
 
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Edit Edit: According to this thread: https://diysolarforum.com/threads/deye-inverter-ul-listed-available-in-us.13942/ The Sol-Ark and Deye inverter are related. I would have done the Deye inverter if I knew a trusted reseller in the US, apparently Sol-Ark is that _reseller_ in that they manufacture theirs with Deye components perhaps.

Sol-ark its manufactured in Deye's factory, and they are very simillar but the Sol-ark models have some modifications requested by them (Like the breakers integrated in the inverter). You cannot get a Deye distributor in US since Sol-ark has a deal to be the only vendor in your country. Can get Deye's in other areas and they are about the same. Still not sure if Sol-ark and Deye use the same firmware.
 
If the firmware determines their compliance with UL 1741SA I suspect the firmwar may not be the same if the DEYE is not UL compliant.
 
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This might sound stupid, but with the large transformer in my Growatt 12000T for starting loads, I could scale back the panels and battery I have in that, and put a Deye/Sol-Ark in front of it nominally in a zero-export grid-tie mode. That way I could do maintenance on the Growatt system or bypass and do maintenance on the Deye/Sol-Ark (I'm all illegal, although with best of NEC intentions).
 
Deye/Sol-Ark in front of it nominally in a zero-export grid-tie mode
Zero export mode would not violate any rules of most utilities but it may violate the building code in your area. It does not matter whether it is in front of another inverter. It matters what your building code says about devices connected to an electrical circuit.
It is not stupid to suggest a way to handle starting loads or do maintenance on an inverter.
 
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Zero export mode would not violate any rules of most utilities but it may violate the building code in your area. It does not matter whether it is in front of another inverter. It matters what your building code says about devices connected to an electrical circuit.
It is not stupid to suggest a way to handle starting loads or do maintenance on an inverter.

Yeah, I'm not talking about building code. I'm already illegal. My municipality wont give you a building license unless you're a professional solar installer and then are required to do net-metering, and all the solar installers want $80k for a 10kw pure grid-tie string on the roof. I wonder why I'm about an hour from Las Vegas and yet nobody around has solar.

(I decided to just deal with it when it comes up, I put up a bunch of old panels a couple of years ago that were taken down from a solar plant, just using the Deye Sun-1000GTIL2-LCD's, then with a LV5048 for critical circuits using its charge controllers and a Leaf based battery with the Deye's also connected to the battery, and now I'm just switching to a Growatt SPF 12000t DVM for everything. )
 
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Yeah, I'm not talking about building code. I'm already illegal
I am in a similar boat on the same ocean. I have a UL approved Outback Skybox and 42 kWh of LFP batteries. I am in California with high rates and an unreliable power provider. By the time I try to pull a permit, the new NEC code about UL approved batteries will be in place. A friend in a similar situation plans on applying for a permit using some used FLA batteries.
 
I am in a similar boat on the same ocean. I have a UL approved Outback Skybox and 42 kWh of LFP batteries. I am in California with high rates and an unreliable power provider. By the time I try to pull a permit, the new NEC code about UL approved batteries will be in place. A friend in a similar situation plans on applying for a permit using some used FLA batteries.

I apologize for deriding the discussion off the Sol-Ark.

Was some form of your system approved at some point? At least there isn't a simple way for them to know the batteries are there. I'm actually surprised it hasn't come up with me being the only house with solar panels on the roof in my whole neighborhood. Then again, there are massive weeds, buildings and RVs not respecting the setbacks, and junk cars parked for months too. So I was gambling on my city not caring.

I did do the wind load calculations, ran the wire through my house in metal conduit, and used the midnight solar GFPDs. Other then that everything is open on a wall (albeit in a single car garage separated from the main garage that only I have access to). My hypothesis was to keep an eye on wire temperature in the open with a thermal cameras, since I wanted to be absolutely sure before putting it in conduits (which I still need to go back and do).

Back to the Sol-Ark:
(I realize all you solar veterans are familiar with these constraints, but for posterity) With the MPPSolar LV5048 in battery mode for critical circuits and the Deye Sun-1000GTIL2-LCDs, I can set a minimal voltage in the Deyes, so I can cycle the battery between 65-85% daily but keep some in reserve for when the power goes out - because my system isn't big enough to be fully off-grid and my battery is only about 22kw/h for a 100% cycle. If the power goes out the LV5048 powers critical circuits and it can deep cycle the battery if the power is out all night. Since I have enough PV I wanted to be able to maximize using the power at generation time, especially since we use the AC during the day like 8 months out of the year. I was going to scale out to three LV5048's, but the pricing worked out better for a single Growatt, and it probably wouldn't have a hard time starting my AC or power tools or anything else that comes along. So I could use the somewhat standard programming of the Growatt being in battery mode during the day - when the PV is available - and reserving the battery for night in case the power goes out (that is until I grow to a 100kw/h battery some day...)

With the Sol-Ark I could dispense with the little Deye jet engines, maximize my daily usage and also selectively cycle the batteries like I'm doing now at night, and keep battery in reserve in case the grid goes down while seamlessly keeping almost all of the house power up.

edit: Also really the major problem is even with a 10kw solar array during a cloudy winter day I wouldn't be able to power my house in battery mode even during the day - it would eventually diminish the battery to the highest "back to grid" setting available - which isn't enough reserve for power outages. So I would have to manually switch it to bypass mode on those days, and just let the 1000GTIL2's trickle whatever power under our own usage in. With this Sol-Ark there wouldn't be any of this manual intervention, and it is all with a single piece of equipment.

I found the manual for the Deye version, attached.
 

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No worries about your input.
My situation may be unique. We have a GT system permitted and installed by a third party. Subsequently I began installing a hybrid system but COVID change priorities and we are planning on buying another home. I will leave the GT system when we sell or lease this home and move the hybrid system and battries to the new place..
 
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