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Generators for charging battery banks.

and the noise they don't produce :)

I have a Honda eu2000 inverter generator- if you fully load it the noise is the same as my Kubota J108.

PS. All generators produce a full sinewave, inverter generators can do this at different engine RPM. Paying a premium for an inverter generator just to charge batteries doesn’t make sense.

You should get a generator that is at 60-80% load when producing the current you use to charge your batteries.
 
Non inverter generates (which usually twice cheaper than inverter ones) produce pure sin wave. Just frequency and voltage are not stable. But it doesn`t matter for AC battery chargers.
 
Non inverter generates (which usually twice cheaper than inverter ones) produce pure sin wave. Just frequency and voltage are not stable. But it doesn`t matter for AC battery chargers.

I wouldn't run anything other than lights on a non-inverter generator unless it was a life or death situation.
 
I wouldn't run anything other than lights on a non-inverter generator unless it was a life or death situation.
Man. I wonder what everyone did for decades before those were commonly and cheaply available way back in the stone age of 10+ years ago.

Definitely don't need to be that dramatic about it lol
 
In hindsite I would actually go with an open frame inverter generator.
Yes they are noisy but doing any maintenance on mine https://westinghouseoutdoorpower.com/products/igen2200-inverter-generator
just sucks.
Oil changes are messy and involve a lot of cursing.
I’m on generator power exclusively(until I finally install my growatt s) I have 2 Honda 2200. They take about 14oz of oil so I change both with under a quart. Only takes a couple minutes.

I also have IPower remote start/dual fuel, inverter 3200 and they take 18oz but are a bigger pain to change.
 
Man. I wonder what everyone did for decades before those were commonly and cheaply available way back in the stone age of 10+ years ago.

Definitely don't need to be that dramatic about it lol

They burned out a lot of electronics and overheated a lot of power supplies, is what they did. Things decades ago also had far fewer electronics in them....
 
I have seen a few inverter generators that used a MSW inverter to get a lower price point.
 
I'm a little late to this party, but on our rural homestead, we use open-frame gennys for backup power, when weather or extended usage precludes solar. With a magnum 4024 inverter/charger, we pump the open-frame genny power into the inverter, and it charges the batteries just fine; it also passes through any leftover power to the house, w/o changing it any. Inverter puts out very good sine wave power, but bypass mode just passes through whatever the genny produces.

WRT to THD (of a genny), which may have become somewhat of a marketing tool to bludgeon us customers with, my findings are something along these lines:

- THD doesn't really matter ... in my entire household, I've found one item (a german countertop dishwasher) that doesn't like to run off the genny's excess power being passed through. nothing else in my household complains, or has burnt out or showed any signs of trouble.

- magnum inverter folks say "we don't care what power you feed us ... we'll take it (THD and all) all the way up to the point that *WE* decide it's crummy power, and then we might shut down". So, none of my Generac's or open-frame gennys have made it barf yet.

- most devices either don't care about THD, or care more about how much power there is, not about how clean it is. When genny is passing through power, all the microwave cares about is getting enough of it.

- most THD, and this is the jelly that is extremely hard to nail down, is caused by these two things ... your genny running at too high of a load (it's undersized), and by all the crummy devices in your household that put out THD, where this now gets thrown on the same line as incoming genny power ... your house wiring system. *your devices* putting out THD ... this seems to be a thing, from the research I'm doing.

So, to try to wrap this up ... we banned Generac, because they are too complex to work on, use only auth'd dealers, lock up their field service manual, didn't last as long as we thought it should for the initial price, and so on. We actually use TWO open-frame gennys (Duromax), and our reliability is now every bit as good as a Generac, AND, I can work on these.

We considered an inverter/generator, but they are up there in initial cost, like a Generac, and are way too complex and packed in tight to work on ourselves. Parts alone, if they break, would eat us alive, assuming we could fix it or would want to try to get in there and fix it. It might be like trying to change a battery in a sealed-up cell phone ...

So, we're sticking with open-frame gennys at this time, and THD has not been a problem for us ...

From a marketing standpoint, THD seems to be more like FUD sales tactics, but there is nothing inherently wrong with them making you pay more money for such FUD. I'm more concerned about how hard things are becoming to work on, or getting locked up behind dealers ...
 
Explain how you rotate a coil of wire through a magnetic field and end up with anything other than a sine wave?
If the load's power factor is less than 1, the sine wave from the coil will be distorted. After that passes through the AVR, the waveform can be so mangled that it's hard to call it a sine wave any more.
 
Kipor is the one I remember. That was 10+ years ago. I only see sine wave inverters today.

I ran what is now the IG2600 for more than a decade in periodic service. I had the older KGE3000Ti with same rating. My model was sine wave.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/152624074112
 
Cats Meow for me was an open frame inverter with 240v and parallel. The 240 allows me to feed both legs of my panel while the parallel allows me to double down if it's a long outage.

I like they are quiet (compared to whole house generacs), portable/flexible, easy to work on and I can take with me if I ever move.

I also converted to NG and set up a dual gas manifold in my garage so I'm ready and waiting for any problems.

Only issue I had was 5 months on back order (delivered last June) and the parallel box was junk - so I wired my own.
 
You should get a generator that is at 60-80% load when producing the current you use to charge your batteries.
I know this is from a long time ago but can you please explain the reasoning behind this.
 
That is for most generators where you will make the most power for the fuel you burn.
 
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