India, in particular, has underestimated their Covid deaths by millions which must be kept in mind when the right-wing open mouth, knuckle-dragging, ivermectin crew talk about the India miracle. https://www.cgdev.org/publication/t...use-excess-mortality-during-covid-19-pandemic
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Shale MacGregor
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Look up excess deaths and long term trends and statistics.. not sure it will change your mind but it seems pretty obvious something had a major impact on life expectancy
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It's not so much people thinking they are immunology and virology experts as they are having an outbreak of common sense. People who get their information from sources other that the TV or newspapers have noticed how the science keeps moving, the use of covid for political control, the manipulated statistics, the massive one-sided censorship campaigns, the horse paste smear campaign, the totally false media stories like the overflowing Oklahoma emergency rooms, the changing definition of vaccine. This week the FDA is arguing in a Texas District Court that they can't fully release the documentation of the Pfizer "vaccine" approval until 2076 because it will take 55 years to process the information for public release. It doesn't take an immunology and virology expert to sense something that smells.
The numbers are just uncontrovertible. You can check microanalysis by looking at a macroanalysis and here the picture is crystal clear. Why is it when we talk about LiFePo4 cells and charging requirements or the best DIY solar setups people on this board show they are smart and capable of critical thinking but on these issues, scientific evidence and consensus falls on deaf ears? I guess we all know the reason. Just not the cure.
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One thing I know for sure is that .... gain of function research ... should be banned world wide. With this type research going on, it is only a matter of time til an even worse virus gets out.
It was supposed to be banned in the US, but the CDC got around it by funding the Wuhan gain of function research thru a 3rd party. Sneaky snakes that should be paying a price for doing that.
Enforcing the ban would be difficult given that the institutions that should be protecting us .... WHO, CDC ..... seem to be corrupted.
I have installed and worked on pressurization, fume hood, and other control systems in labs and seen first hand how basic safety practices are violated .... simple things like carrying an open bucket full of liquid nitrogen down a crowded hallway. The people who work there get numb to the safety protocols after working there for a while.
I have seen people who operate the control systems permanently silence critical alarms for air velocity and pressure ... simply because they don't know how to fix the problem and don't want their management to know that.
I refused to work at one lab because a couple of the maintenance workers were permanently on medical leave after having some sort of fungus growing in their lungs. I had been in that same lab once when suddenly, the entire facility smelled strongly of skunk .... I have no idea what they were doing, but it was very obvious it hadn't been contained. You couldn't pay me enough to continue working at that facility.
One of those labs was an FDA facility.
It was supposed to be banned in the US, but the CDC got around it by funding the Wuhan gain of function research thru a 3rd party. Sneaky snakes that should be paying a price for doing that.
Enforcing the ban would be difficult given that the institutions that should be protecting us .... WHO, CDC ..... seem to be corrupted.
I have installed and worked on pressurization, fume hood, and other control systems in labs and seen first hand how basic safety practices are violated .... simple things like carrying an open bucket full of liquid nitrogen down a crowded hallway. The people who work there get numb to the safety protocols after working there for a while.
I have seen people who operate the control systems permanently silence critical alarms for air velocity and pressure ... simply because they don't know how to fix the problem and don't want their management to know that.
I refused to work at one lab because a couple of the maintenance workers were permanently on medical leave after having some sort of fungus growing in their lungs. I had been in that same lab once when suddenly, the entire facility smelled strongly of skunk .... I have no idea what they were doing, but it was very obvious it hadn't been contained. You couldn't pay me enough to continue working at that facility.
One of those labs was an FDA facility.
This is a red herring. An entirely different issue.
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500 pages per month is standard, due to the 329,000 pages the math works out to that.
The definition of vaccine changed in 2015 didn't it?
The scientific method doesn't change, the answers and understanding changes as more information helps us to narrow down and paint a better picture of things.
Yes, Science and recommendations are going to shift as research continues. That is how the scientific method works and it has served us EXTREMELY well, (not hunches or blogs). This is a brand new virus with new research and treatments coming every day. No changes in recommendations would actually be a cause for concern.
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Yes it changed in 2015, then again in September 2021, when "stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity" changed to "used to stimulate the body’s immune response". But the CDC hasn't yet changed the totally different definition at https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/terms/glossary.html that disallows the mRNA shots saying "A suspension of live (usually attenuated) or inactivated microorganisms (e.g. bacteria or viruses) or fractions thereof administered to induce immunity and prevent infectious diseases and their sequelae. "
So if you go back before 2015 you've got 4 definitions to argue whatever you want to.
The initial definition was outdated. Vaccines in the US started with Small Pox when people were actually inoculated with live viruses. The standard that is new, is not the CDC's definition of vaccine, but people's insistence that a vaccine must be 100% effective against any infection or disease. That has never been the case---just look at influenza and measles vaccination. If you actually look at the definitional changes they are just adjusting wording to accommodate changes in vaccine technology and to be more precise. This is wordsmithing. There is no substantial change. This is much ado about nothing. Stirring of the pot to create confusion and anxiety in the midst of a pandemic.
By the way, George Washington mandated the vaccination of our army with live smallpox which actually did result in smallpox cases and death. Our army otherwise would have been devastated by disease. He did it for public health purposes and the common good. Yet people on this board are threatening civil war because of having to wear a mask and get a vaccine.
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Yes 500 pages a month is standard release rate for documents like this but I think this should not be treated as standard documents. By the end of this process, possibly half the planet will have pfizer in their bodies and one would expect that the documentation would be expedited so that even small adverse effects that are noted in the documentation are available to the broader medical community so they can keep it in mind when examining patients going forward.
The CDC misc definition doesn't control drug approval but for arguments sake how would this definition " "A suspension of live (usually attenuated) or inactivated microorganisms (e.g. bacteria or viruses) or fractions thereof administered to induce immunity and prevent infectious diseases and their sequelae. " not include the mRNA vaccines? That is exactly what they do.
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More BS. Covid cases are through the roof in the most vaccinated countries. Israel, Britain and Ireland are prime examples.
Just a few days ago I read an article on Britain that they are just starting to investigate "excessive death". Most speculation is they did not die of covid but rather due to minimal to no treatment of other illnesses. More difficult to see a doctor in person and the emergency services are filled with covid. As you know most covid in the hospital is the unvaccinated. Have not seen a report on the excessive death yet so just speculation.
Yes of course if the hospital would administer ivermectin most covid would be cured and out of the hospital.
Idaho has been rationing health care for some time and expects to be able to actually treat everyone that presents to the ER soon. In the mean time plenty were sent home to rest, drink lots of fluids, and search for ivermectin.
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Logical and factual errors here. Isreal is near its low. Statement is false. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/ Ireland and Britain have high infection rates right now but to draw any conclusions from this we must address the confounding variables as required by the scientific method including:
1. Cyclical nature of Covid.
2. Underlying hospitalization rates and death rates vs earlier waves.
3. Infection rate and case-fatality rates of the fully immunized population vs. unvaccinated population.
4. Demographics of the country such as age and underlying conditions.
5. Data from actual trials and studies analyzing immunized vs unvaccinated populations.
6. Time since last vaccination of the infected population
In other words, we need careful scientific scrutiny before drawing conclusions. Anything else is sloppy propaganda.
Show me an actual randomized, double-blind study, that confirms this. Not a blog. Not a video. Not a forum comment. Show me actual studies supporting your comment just like we would do for an electrical or engineering issue. It is time you guys just put up or shut up. Defend yourself with actual studies and not anecdotal crap.
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Israel may be the most vaccinated country in the world. The vaccines aren't working.
You shouldn't lie when it's easily checked :
Israel COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Israel Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
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