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The vaccinated are more likely to catch Covid

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I waited a long time and only got vaxed when forced to. I talk to people about ivermectin, but it's always a friendly conversation.
I don't see this tension between vaxed and unvaxed except online.
Probably some of the confrontation is political. The groups seem to mostly align this way.
 
At age 60, I had covid and recovered. I see no reason to get a jab for the following reasons:

J&J. I'd trust Alec Baldwin with a gun before I trusted J&J. They knew for decades that their products were harming consumers and hid the data to protect their profits.

mRNA - Still under emergency use and not approved. No long term studies available. I'm not a test subject.

I don't trust the politicians. They have given me plenty of reasons to question their motivations during my lifetime. I don't trust the media for the same reasons.

I respect the decision of anyone who chooses to get the vax, and only ask for the same courtesy in return.
 
What I see is a group (unvaccinated) being picked on because the other vaccinated group are frustrated because :
1) they felt like they were forced to be vaxed and want others to do the same
2) they see the statistics showing the vaccines aren't lasting. 6 months later get a booster ? Is this forever ?
3) The unvaccinated are taking up a disproportional number of ICU beds and delaying other (potentially life saving treatments to people who did get vaccinated)

In reply to 1) No one forced me to take the vaccine, I signed up for it the day it became available to my age group.
In reply to 2) Statistics show vaccines work and that a booster shot after 6 - 9 months is quite beneficial as immunity is not guaranteed, nor will it last a life time. And yes, covid will be with us forever, until we genetically alter our (and other animals) DNA either through natural selection or in a lab.

I am way beyond the debate if you should or shouldn't get vaccinated, I care more if you/me/we are a burden to others.
 
Probably some of the confrontation is political. The groups seem to mostly align this way.
Agree. Republicans are more focused on freedom and unmasking/not vaxing children while dems want to vax anything that moves LOL
 
This should not give anyone a warm cozy feeling that they’re in good hands.

The fed gov’t shields Pfizer from liability. Gives it billions of dollars. Makes Americans take its product. But won’t let you see the data supporting its safety/efficacy. Who does the gov’t work for?
The FDA has asked a federal judge to make the public wait until the year 2076 to disclose all of the data and information it relied upon to license Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine. That is not a typo. It wants 55 years to produce this information to the public.
As explained in a prior article, the FDA repeatedly promised “full transparency” with regard to Covid-19 vaccines, including reaffirming “the FDA’s commitment to transparency” when licensing Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine.
 
I am way beyond the debate if you should or shouldn't get vaccinated, I care more if you/me/we are a burden to others.
I agree, that's why I want ivermectin to be available for early treatment.
This administration has no moral high ground to convince the public to be vaxed.
Why are thousands of unvaxed pouring across the southern border ?
 
So to me it's a risk just taking these boosters every 6 months. We don't have a clue what we are doing long-term.
Six months seems a bit much for the lower end of the risk spectrum. I plan to boost closer to 18 months. I expect one or two will be the end. I will let my future self decide how to proceed after that.
 
At age 60, I had covid and recovered. I see no reason to get a jab for the following reasons:

J&J. I'd trust Alec Baldwin with a gun before I trusted J&J. They knew for decades that their products were harming consumers and hid the data to protect their profits.

mRNA - Still under emergency use and not approved. No long term studies available. I'm not a test subject.

I don't trust the politicians. They have given me plenty of reasons to question their motivations during my lifetime. I don't trust the media for the same reasons.

I respect the decision of anyone who chooses to get the vax, and only ask for the same courtesy in return.
Pfizer for above 18 is not under emergency use. it is fully approved.
 
Why are thousands of unvaxed pouring across the southern border ?
Last I read they are getting processed and vaccinated at about the same rate as our general population.
Why are the ones not getting vaccinated? For all the reasons posted above. You should understand this well.

They are not coming specifically to spread covid. Besides if you are vaccinated why would you worry if they are not?
 
Pfizer for above 18 is not under emergency use. it is fully approved.

The language is intentionally misleading. The first paragraph refers to the approval, but what was approved was the name change. In the second paragraph, you read this: Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is authorized for emergency use and is available under the EUA as a two-dose primary series in individuals 5 years of age and older, as a third primary series dose for individuals 12 years of age and older who have been determined to have certain kinds of immunocompromise, and as a single booster dose in people 18 years of age and older.
 
Last I read they are getting processed and vaccinated at about the same rate as our general population.
Why are the ones not getting vaccinated? For all the reasons posted above. You should understand this well.

They are not coming specifically to spread covid. Besides if you are vaccinated why would you worry if they are not?
It's very hypocritical to try to force americans to be vaxed and not illegal aliens crossing the border.
Who told you they were being vaxed ? They aren't.
 
It's very hypocritical to try to force americans to be vaxed and not illegal aliens crossing the border.
Who told you they were being vaxed ? They aren't.
The vaccine mandate does not cover ALL Americans either. If the circumstances are such that the person crossing the border stays and wants a job at a large company.... the mandate starts to apply. If the kids want to attend school they may have to catch up on ALL the vaccine requirements including covid.

Why would you expect the rules do not apply?
 
I agree, that's why I want ivermectin to be available for early treatment.
Invermectin is "freely" available, but why would you believe some on on the internet instead of those who, you know, studied medicine?

This administration has no moral high ground to convince the public to be vaxed.
Politics, who cares, listen to the medical professionals.

Why are thousands of unvaxed pouring across the southern border ?
Maybe because health care in Canada is cheaper then in the US?
 
The vaccine mandate does not cover ALL Americans either. If the circumstances are such that the person crossing the border stays and wants a job at a large company.... the mandate starts to apply. If the kids want to attend school they may have to catch up on ALL the vaccine requirements including covid.

Why would you expect the rules do not apply?
The 5th Circuit Court put an emergency stay on the mandates. It has been appealed and will go to the 3rd? Cincinnati ... not sure if that is the 3rd Circuit or not, but when it is all said and done, the mandates will end up in the SCOTUS. Until then, the mandates are suspended.
 
I wonder if when Hitler weaponized the medical field in his rise to power if there were many saying “This is a bad idea?”
 
All these comments about "unvaccinated cause mutations" OR "vaccinated do not spread covid at nearly the rate of unvacinated" OR "vaccination will stop covid" or "masks are required to stop spred" and on and on and on - are not actually based on 'science' but rather conflations of data points, junk-science, journalistic/political agendas, and time lines. For example - when newly vaccinated the efficacy is reported at 90+% but after several months it's much less - so people argue that 90% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated BUT.... over time this changes dramatically. Its conflating the original 90% data point as if it were true for all time.

For all of you making 'I know exactly what's happening' and 'I insist you do X because you're killing people if you don't' - I resist in the name of actual science and logic.

@Vertassium is as truthful, science based channel as I've ever seen and I offer this youtube to make the point that 'common knowledge' / 'common sense' is completely wrong in many cases. In this example, there is no statistical proof that learning styles (common sense?) actually exist and should direct education policy (think mask mandates) -

Here's another about how electricity (near and dear to many of hearts on this channel) is NOT a flow of electrons -

I for one, think that telling people what they must think or do is nothing short of hubris - except I guess I just did (yikes :) )
 
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Looking at the numbers for the US we see that covid has a mortality rate of about 2% and the unvaccinated are more then 10 times more likely to die than the unvacinated.

But it shows how silly the conspiracy theories are, try this thought process; An evil politician would encourage their supporters to live and their opposition to die so they will have a greater percentage of the votes in future elections. Is that what people are observing in the US or anywhere else in the world? From my vatage point it seems that republicans are killing off their own base for political gain. They want their base to stay angry and confused.

I wonder if when Hitler weaponized the medical field in his rise to power if there were many saying “This is a bad idea?”

look at China who is sterilizing a large portion of their population because they want those lands for the Chinese. The west is mostly silent because the victims tend to be Muslims.
 

The language is intentionally misleading. The first paragraph refers to the approval, but what was approved was the name change. In the second paragraph, you read this: Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is authorized for emergency use and is available under the EUA as a two-dose primary series in individuals 5 years of age and older, as a third primary series dose for individuals 12 years of age and older who have been determined to have certain kinds of immunocompromise, and as a single booster dose in people 18 years of age and older.
I can see why you think that as it is awful draftsmanship.

Read the first sentence and start there: "On August 23, 2021, FDA announced the first approval of a COVID-19 vaccine". Here is what is happening. It is all the same drug--both Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine and Comirnaty. All formally approved drugs have tradenames and generic names. When a drug (here vaccine) gets actual approval it takes on its tradename, in this case, the inexplicably awful tradename of Comirnaty. So from the date of approval forward the drug is known as Comirnaty for the population of 16 and above ( I mistakenly said 18). They then go on to talk about the under 16 population which remains under an EUA and is not called Comirnaty. To make matters worse the approval only goes to the two first shots for those over 16. If anyone gets a booster, it is under an EUA and not formal approval and is not called Comirnaty. Clear as mud right?

To clarify, the Pfizer two-dose vaccine for ages 16 and above is a fully FDA-approved vaccine and has the tradename Comirnaty. For those under 16 and those getting the third dose booster shot, it remains under the EUA until the application for those uses is fully processed.

Got it? Now reread their horrid press release.
 
Looking at the numbers for the US we see that covid has a mortality rate of about 2% and the unvaccinated are more then 10 times more likely to die than the unvacinated.

But it shows how silly the conspiracy theories are, try this thought process; An evil politician would encourage their supporters to live and their opposition to die so they will have a greater percentage of the votes in future elections. Is that what people are observing in the US or anywhere else in the world? From my vatage point it seems that republicans are killing off their own base for political gain. They want their base to stay angry and confused.



look at China who is sterilizing a large portion of their population because they want those lands for the Chinese. The west is mostly silent because the victims tend to be Muslims.
Johnson knows what he is talking about. I think we have a man with credentials behind these posts.
 
All these comments about "unvaccinated cause mutations" OR "vaccinated do not spread covid at nearly the rate of unvacinated" OR "vaccination will stop covid" or "masks are required to stop spred" and on and on and on - are not actually based on 'science' but rather conflations of data points, junk-science, journalistic/political agendas, and time lines. For example - when newly vaccinated the efficacy is reported at 90+% but after several months it's much less - so people argue that 90% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated BUT.... over time this changes dramatically. Its conflating the original 90% data point as if it were true for all time.

For all of you making 'I know exactly what's happening' and 'I insist you do X because you're killing people if you don't' - I resist in the name of actual science and logic.

@Vertassium is as truthful, science based channel as I've ever seen and I offer this youtube to make the point that 'common knowledge' / 'common sense' is completely wrong in many cases. In this example, there is no statistical proof that learning styles (common sense?) actually exist and should direct education policy -

I for one, think that telling people what they must think or do is nothing short of hubris - except I guess I just did (yikes :) )
So part of this I absolutely agree with and some I don't. Is it fair to say there are two issues you are addressing? (1) the necessity of evidence-based information and (2) the best way to communicate science-based information to reach the public and is not by yelling at them.

I agree with both points. My yelling at BMcl and others here will never change their minds and we need to look to other methods to reach him---if even possible.

However, it is also true that misinformation kills, and misinformation must be countered. Even though I can never change BMcl's mind, I cannot let misinformation stand as it will influence reasonable, reachable, people if they do not hear the actual evidence-based information in response.
 
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