Anyone have the scoop on the upcoming Sol-Ark limitless system?

Does anyone here have the scoop on the Sol-Ark product about to be released? I'm wondering if it's worth waiting around for it to be released, or pull the trigger on a 12k. I'm also curious if it's another Deye product.

blizzow said:

Does anyone here have the scoop on the Sol-Ark product about to be released? I'm wondering if it's worth waiting around for it to be released, or pull the trigger on a 12k. I'm also curious if it's another Deye product.

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I have not heard of it.... please tell us what you have heard.

I have heard they're announcing new gear (October maybe?), also saw this article online that mentions they'll have a 15kw hybrid inverter coming online:

Also, if you do a google search for "sol-ark 15k", google cached a page recently that is "password protected". https://www.sol-ark.com/sol-ark-15k-all-in-one/

Seems like they're going to up it to 15k soon. I was wondering if it's going to be another deye with sol-ark stickers on it.

Yeah, it's definitely another Deye. Deye made a true 12KW inverter with a much larger set of MPPTs (15,600W I believe) quite a while ago but it was still being certified. Deye sent me the details directly including pricing but it wasn't ready for primetime. It's been a few months so that 12KW unit is very likely what they are talking about when they say "15K" based on their existing marketing structure.

@the_colorist Thats true , they ae also getting a smart load panel to go along side with it .

Found this thread becasue I was researching the 12K and this new 15K, if as described by the specs, will be perfect! Exactly what I need. Even though a 12K should be OK, I don't want to use a critical loads panel. My house is in concrete and adding that can be a daunting and messy task.

The 15K's 200amp LOAD breaker, exceeds the 150 amp service breaker from the utility and matches the 200 amp ATS from the stand by generator. It probably has lugs big enough to accept the 2/0 wiring used from utility breaker and ATS into the service panel. I also have some peaks that I may consider a little worrisome for the 12K, but 15K would handle that no problem.

Would it be a safe bet that its gonna be around $2k more than the current 12K? Around $9k

Youtube comment from Solark on David Poz' recent Sol-ark bashing video.

I agree we need all want whole home backup but in an affordable manner. It is why the Sol-Ark 15K-LV is coming with 15KW ac power + our load management solution. FYI, in 8 years of business, we have never advertised or made false claims.

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Video is here..

bedpan said:

Youtube comment from Solark on David Poz' recent Sol-ark bashing video.



Video is here..

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made no false claims ?

"made in usa" , "designed in usa" , and 12k that is really a 9 kw split fase directly comes to mind

houseofancients said:

made no false claims ?

"made in usa" , "designed in usa" , and 12k that is really a 9 kw split fase directly comes to mind

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The designed in the USA I take issue with.. I have not seen the made in the USA on it. The Data being housed in China is an issue for me with it being a veteran based company. Saying all that I am Canadian so....

I don't think the 12k is wrong either.. Its a name, and it does do 12k in its own way. Just not pure inversion.

bedpan said:

The designed in the USA I take issue with.. I have not seen the made in the USA on it. The Data being housed in China is an issue for me with it being a veteran based company. Saying all that I am Canadian so....

I don't think the 12k is wrong either.. Its a name, and it does do 12k in its own way. Just not pure inversion.

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it's a name, but implies something it is not.
it is effectively a split fase 4500 watt inverter, combined that is 9k.

it is a proper piece of kit, but the company sol-ark has been playing oppurtunistic games IMHO .

a shame really because they provide proper s grade support and reseller a very good piece of kit

bedpan said:

Youtube comment from Solark on David Poz' recent Sol-ark bashing video.



Video is here..

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At about 7:50 in the video, he said something that undermines his argument. On his other inverters he has a auto-transformer to create the 240 Split phase. An auto transformer can go a long way toward ballancing loads. If he put the auto transformer accross the SolArk, he would see a lot more capability in running one leg over the 4500W

FilterGuy said:

At about 7:50 in the video, he said something that undermines his argument. On his other inverters he has a auto-transformer to create the 240 Split phase. An auto transformer can go a long way toward ballancing loads. If he put the auto transformer accross the SolArk, he would see a lot more capability in running one leg over the 4500W

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Yes but imo the main point is that the 2 growatts with a transformer are cheaper and one leg with over 4500w will not trip them.. he was basically saying with typical home loads the SolArks 4500w on one leg trip issue could be a problem for some people an was a problem for him, and that doesn’t happen with the cheaper combination of growatts with transformer. Yes the SolArk has other features that make it justifiably more expensive than the growatts (it’s still to expensive imo) but for just offgrid (as he said he is) the growatts and transformer are cheaper and will not trip with normal unbalanced amount of load on each leg

houseofancients said:

it's a name, but implies something it is not.
it is effectively a split fase 4500 watt inverter, combined that is 9k.

it is a proper piece of kit, but the company sol-ark has been playing oppurtunistic games IMHO .

a shame really because they provide proper s grade support and reseller a very good piece of kit

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HouseOfAncients: My response is not "aimed" at you, I just need to vent. I understand your point, but why is it that everyone is so upset at SolArk? Car companies have been slapping their names on foreign cars forever, and selling them here. My first car was made in Germany and brought in by Buick. I've never heard a word of complaint about that, or the Mitsubishi 3000 rebranded, etc Or, how about Delta power tools made in Brazil, Square D breakers made in Mexico, etc. The list goes on and on.

The one thing about them that does bug the crap out of me is the "Made In America" and government awards they got. Maybe they have been blasted enough, and we can just let it go. Does it really make any difference who actually designed what, after it ends up for sale here? At least they went the extra mile to get it all certified, which is a lot more than can be said for Growatt, Victron, MPP, Solis, etc. And a lot of them play games with the few pieces that are "certified", or "listed" or "compliant".

The real problem in this country is that we have lost sight of the things that made us world leaders. We have become fat and lazy, our education system is in the toilet, nearly half of the employees in the USA are contract employees, our infrastructure is crumbling around us, most people have no savings, etc. Maybe it is better for us to bitch about SolArk than to try to fix any of those other issues. Oh, and I forgot..it is almost impossible to fix any of them, because we cannot even agree to disagree anymore here. So, maybe I'll fly to Texas and shame the owners of SolArk until they apologize for their transgressions, and donate all their profits to charity.

I remember having a small engine that had misleading labels on it. You'd thought it was supposed to be horsepower, but, it wasn't.

Companies has a long history of doing this. Take Graphics chips for example, or, some CPU's.

I call it the "politics of life"....

Having said that I get it shutting off when one leg has been reached, that leg is indeed overloaded.

But calling it a 12k and then trying to say its simply a name is the only reason I would need NOT to buy from them. It also looks bad that the indicated no load draw is around half of what it is actually using.

We should shun companies that do this....

In doing some reading online, a few thoughts:

• It seems Sol-Ark is going to rebrand with an upgrade to "Limitless 9K" and "Limitless 15K", reflecting the inverter limit and not the solar limit.
• If the limited data out there is correct, the 15k unit will:
  • Be able to handle 18kw solar
  • Have a 15kw continuous inverter (assuming 7.5kw per leg) (30kw peak)
  • MSRP of $7500
  • Have 200A load breaker - so in grid-tie, you can use the inverter as your ATS to fully feed a 200A panel.

These specs look pretty amazing to me. A single unit, being able to pass through 200A, and a continuous inverter able to handle 62.5A @ 240V? To get this pass through capacity on the previous 12k (which I believe has 63A pass through capability) would take three units in parallel. Now, two in parallel would offer 30kw continuous inverter capacity, 60kw peak and be able to handle 36kw of solar. Of course, all this is speculation until official spec sheets come out, but if this data is all accurate, this is definitely a big step up for Sol-Ark.

I am hoping to retire in a couple years and begin searching for our retirement home, and a pair of 15k units could definitely be in my future. Now, if battery capacity can come down in price in that same time-frame!

Brian

I'm wondering if the Sol-Ark "limitless" name is based on it's cost, or it's performance. ?

NwCali said:

But calling it a 12k and then trying to say its simply a name is the only reason I would need NOT to buy from them

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I agree. Plus, I would add that calling it made in America by Vets is overhype.

A.Justice said:

I'm wondering if the Sol-Ark "limitless" name is based on it's cost, or it's performance. ?

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On one parameter the Deye (so maybe Sol-ark too) stands out: you can parallel up to 16 units.
And the Deye EU 12kW is real 12kW (3 phase 4kW) ... so with 16 units it is already max 192 kW (3 phase 64 kW)
Just guessing

(and the 5 year warranty)

Ampster said:

I agree. Plus, I would add that calling it made in America by Vets is overhype.

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not just an overhype, but an outright lie

January the prices are announced, and the hope is for a February release I hear.