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Sol-Ark 12K and EG4LL battery communications

Maybe some enterpri$ing engineer will design and manufacture a BMS interface module that can be used to easily connect major inverter and battery types. This could solve LOTS of problems and make someone $$$???
I would buy one tomorrow IF available.

TBoone Fisher EE
 
Then it's high time to pick a standard and run with it. If 20 or so bigger distributors got on the phone and agreed enough is enough, your life could be easier. Get on the forums, and contact more and more dealers. Invite dealers in from here and across the ponds. The more dealers that demand, the faster it happens. Less grief for you distributers, less grief for the installers, and most importantly less grief for the people who pay everyone's wages and profit, the end user. The market does demand a few standards in this industry. Considering how high tech solar related has become, it is in the dark ages in many ways. Less need for trouble shooting and engineering after the fact will make life easier. I'm sure there are other things that need to tighten up that most, other then the engineers don't have a clue about.

There are many more who want solar then are buying it. One reason is finding no standards, and a whole lot of info that is written by electrical engineers for electrical engineers.

Even small things like the max PV isc per mppt can become a complicated, and hugely time consuming, research and Q&A thing for the non solar savvy crowd. I have a gsl 7.6k. I opened the box and pulled out the manual thinking all my information would be contained. What a joke. I couldn't find any panels that I could s and p to get a decent configuration. Most panels are around 11a. If I parallel I'm over the 18a max of the mppt. I read that these things can self limit, but nothing about how much, and the max panel Isc in the manual, or the the spec sheet. I asked here to no avail, I emailed the manufacturer more than once, and their contact people have no clue about their product in some ways. They told me the panels can't go over the 18A ISC. (Oh? Ok, I'll just run another $5k worth of wire the 250' that I need from panels, to inverter) Thankfully a member here who is electrical solar savvy with the same inverter sent me a PM. That crucial info is only found on a label on the unit. "Why was I so stupid as to think that the manual would have that crucial information" Nothing in the book, or spec sheet, and the factory reps had no clue. Again I say what a joke. The max panel Isc is 25a. I spent 12 hours +- of my time to get a small but very important bit of info, that should be plastered into every bit of literature.

I'm just trying to point out that not everyone is electrical savvy. That doesn't mean that those who are not as stubborn as me should abandon the idea of solar power if they can't afford an electrical engineer to design every detail for them, yet it is happening by the thousands every day.

There is no reason for a laymen to have to spend countless hours on a computer to find out if battery x will work with inverter y. Again stone ages comes to mind.
Maybe some enterpri$ing engineer will design and manufacture a BMS interface module that can be used to easily connect major inverter and battery types. This could solve LOTS of problems and make someone $$$???
I would buy one tomorrow IF available.

TBoone Fisher EE
 
We have an in house model working - the issue is it requires flashing the battery firmware and that requires some level of technical skills that if not done correctly can cause the battery to brick, so we are trying to develop a seamless option.
Maybe some enterpri$ing engineer will design and manufacture a BMS interface module that can be used to easily connect major inverter and battery types. This could solve LOTS of problems and make someone $$$???
I would buy one tomorrow IF available.

TBoone Fisher EE
 
We have an in house model working - the issue is it requires flashing the battery firmware and that requires some level of technical skills that if not done correctly can cause the battery to brick, so we are trying to develop a seamless option.
Any updates for this? Been about a month.
 
Any updates for this? Been about a month.
We had more issues with the in-house unit after our initial testing, so reworking the firmware on this. Our engineering team has been focused on the newer EG4 branded inverters so it hasn't had the focus it initially had, but hoping to get back on it soon.
 
I have a couple of thoughts that maybe are really questions.

First, regarding batteries talking to inverters. I understand that there are a few things that communications between batteries and inverters can help with. The battery (or rather, the BMS) can provide more accurate voltage and state of charge information to the inverter. I suppose it can also allow the BMS to control / regulate the charging current coming from the charger part of the inverter. Are there other things? I know others may disagree, but to me this communication is actually of marginal value to most solar installs. Besides, there are very few inverter / chargers that would know how to deal with such communications from the battery / BMS.

Second, RS485 is just a serial communications mechanism, like RS232. It doesn't mean anything unless there is an universally adopted standard for the messages that are communicated on it, and I can't tell that there is any such standard for batteries. I think this is kinda what @RichardfromSignatureSolar is saying. Instead, it seems like each inverter manufacturer needs to negotiate a "language" with every battery / BMS manufacturer. I use Schneider equipment, and I know right now for any battery to work "closed loop" with them, Schneider has to work directly with the battery manufacturer, who has to implement Schneider's proprietary Xanbus interface, and then Schneider has to "certify" them. Talk about a lack of standard.

As it is, it seems to me that until there is a standard, it is silly to expect every inverter/charger to talk to every battery/BMS. Maybe more importantly, I don't see such communications as being valuable enough to clamor for it.

I'm not trying to argue about any of this, as I really don't know. Do I not understand some great value in these connections? Is there a standard that everyone should be implementing? Am I missing something?
Right on. In simple terms RS485 is simply the conduit that allows bytes/ASCII characters/(letters,numbers,etc) to be exchanged between the inverter and the batteries. What bytes are exchanged is the protocol or language. A simple communication might go like this;
Inverter sends Ascii characters "SOC?"
Batteries respond with "50%"
Etc..etc......etc..
This is a very simple RS485/232 and slow protocol that is easy to program. It was used for many years before TCP/IP ethernet.
If given the protocol info, just about any experienced programmer could do this.
It ain't rocket science....<VBG>

-TBoone(EE)
 
Just wondering if anyone has had any luck with establishing Sol-Ark 12K and EG4LL battery communications? I've heard a few people have been successful, but don't know who, and was hoping maybe they are in this forum. Thanks!
Sol-Ark owners need to get vocal about this. IMHO, Sol-Ark could add EG4s to that list very quickly IF prompted to do so. I recently purchased several more panels from The Power Store in Alvarado, TX. I mentioned something about EG4s and the salesperson was very familiar with them saying that they will be trying to sell them soon. Given that they also sell lots of Sol-Arks, surely Sol-Ark sales/engineering is aware of this.

The old saying "The squeaky wheel gets the grease" comes to mind here<VBG>

Tom Fisher EE
 
Sol-Ark owners need to get vocal about this. IMHO, Sol-Ark could add EG4s to that list very quickly IF prompted to do so. I recently purchased several more panels from The Power Store in Alvarado, TX. I mentioned something about EG4s and the salesperson was very familiar with them saying that they will be trying to sell them soon. Given that they also sell lots of Sol-Arks, surely Sol-Ark sales/engineering is aware of this.

The old saying "The squeaky wheel gets the grease" comes to mind here<VBG>

Tom Fisher EE
Good news. Just got off the phone with Sol-Ark engineering. They say that
they have the EG4's and have begun the process of setting up closed loop
with them. Expect results in approx. 2 mo..

-TB
 
Just wondering if anyone has had any luck with establishing Sol-Ark 12K and EG4LL battery communications? I've heard a few people have been successful, but don't know who, and was hoping maybe they are in this forum. Thanks!
Good news. Just got off the phone with Sol-Ark engineering. They say that
they have the EG4's and have begun the process of setting up closed loop
with them. Expect results in approx. 2 mo..

-TB
 
Good news. Just got off the phone with Sol-Ark engineering. They say that
they have the EG4's and have begun the process of setting up closed loop
with them. Expect results in approx. 2 mo..

-TB
Good news indeed! Will comms require updates only on Sol-Ark?
 
Good news. Just got off the phone with Sol-Ark engineering. They say that
they have the EG4's and have begun the process of setting up closed loop
with them. Expect results in approx. 2 mo..

-TB
That is kind of odd because in order for Sol-Ark to do an integration they would have to work with EG4/Signature Solar. So I would expect Signature Solar to have known about this a long time ago and to have announced it.
The last Conversation I had with SA on this subject was a doozy. I was basically told it would be a pretty cold day in hell before Sol-Ark would do anything with SS. The CEO is still extremely pissed off about that POZ video that Signature Solar had made. It will be interesting to see if Tom changed his mind.
 
Which video is this?
That is kind of odd because in order for Sol-Ark to do an integration they would have to work with EG4/Signature Solar. So I would expect Signature Solar to have known about this a long time ago and to have announced it.
The last Conversation I had with SA on this subject was a doozy. I was basically told it would be a pretty cold day in hell before Sol-Ark would do anything with SS. The CEO is still extremely pissed off about that POZ video that Signature Solar had made. It will be interesting to see if Tom changed his mind.

These are business folks and business decisions. IMHO, it is clearly in Sol-Ark's best interest to support batteries that are very popular with their customers, PRICE, quality, etc.. Their system is very flexible by design and makes it easy to add many different types of equipment.
This is the main reason that I( and I think many others) purchased a Sol-Ark.
 
These are business folks and business decisions. IMHO, it is clearly in Sol-Ark's best interest to support batteries that are very popular with their customers, PRICE, quality, etc.. Their system is very flexible by design and makes it easy to add many different types of equipment.
This is the main reason that I( and I think many others) purchased a Sol-Ark.
Sol-Ark mainly caters to professional installers that are putting in systems to pass inspection and are up to code.
You will be hard pressed to find Sol-Ark demonstrating a system that is not using Tier 1 batteries.
Their whole battery comparability page is filled with exclusively Tier 1 battery companies, so this would be a departure from what they
have been doing in the past. https://www.sol-ark.com/battery-partners/
 
Open up a SimpliPhi 3.8 / 48V bat sometime. The only thing Tier 1 about it is price. IMHO, EG4 LifePower bats
are much higher quality at a MUCH LOWER price. I made that mistake(SimpliPhi) to the tune of $2500.
 
Open up a SimpliPhi 3.8 / 48V bat sometime. The only thing Tier 1 about it is price. IMHO, EG4 LifePower bats
are much higher quality at a MUCH LOWER price. I made that mistake(SimpliPhi) to the tune of $2500.
I find that hard to imagine since I have never heard of SimpliPhi batteries having a problem starting an Inverter while I hear that almost everday about the LifePower 4. Do you have information on what kind of cells are in the Simpliphi? I know the EG4 is Grade B cells and BTW I own an EG4 battery so it would be a plus to me if it worked with Sol-Ark. I also have lots of good contacts at Sol-Ark and have never heard them mention a thing about EG4 integration. As I said maybe Tom may have recently changed his mind.
 
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I find that hard to imagine since I have never heard of SimpliPhi batteries having a problem starting an Inverter while I hear that almost everday about the LifePower 4. Do you have information on what kind of cells are in the Simpliphi? I know the EG4 is Grade B cells and BTW I own an EG4 battery so I have no issue with it working with Sol-Ark but I also have lots of good contacts at Sol-Ark and have never heard them mention a thing about EG4 integration. As I said maybe Tom may have recently changed his mind.
The reason we hear so much about people having issues with EG4 batteries not handling loads. Is because they are the only batteries that some people can afford. And those same budget limited systems are trying to get by with only one battery. I also own one. But, I understand it's limitations. Only the smallest of inverters can get by on 100ahs.
 
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