Easy, China pays for the tariffs!!
It’s been said over and over again and again, it must be true right?
104% Tariff Just Announced On Chinese Imports..
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It’s been said over and over again and again, it must be true right?
rogerheflin
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Trump has a gun pointed at your head, and you have in your hand a deadman switch connected to 100lbs of C4. Neither wins. And pointing a gun at someone's head and being a bully does not make ANYONE a good negotiator, it simply makes you a MOB boss and/or a bully.
robby
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Tariffs are just one small part of the problem.
That is exactly what the US told Vietnam 2 days ago when Vietnam offered to eliminate their Tarrifs. The US refused the offer and said there are bigger problems that need to be fixed.
The bigger problem we have is Copyright infringement and other Governments subsidizing their local companies in order for them to under cut US companies and eliminate them.
rogerheflin
Solar Addict
The administrations definition of reasonable is do what I want or else, it has little to do with what is reasonable.
Trump has a history of agreeing to a deal and then deciding he does not need to pay you. He knows that you would eventually win in court if you had deep enough pockets to pay for the lawyers, but he also knows you cannot afford to pay for the lawyers since he will do everything possible to delay/appeal the case forever and run the price up.
Jmhai3
Solar Enthusiast
FatJay posted a video in "Traff Wars" thread of Kevin Oleary on the news telling everyone exactly how he feels and why this is needed.
So you advocate escalation? Yes there are some parallels between a leader of a country and a Mob Boss or Bully. I don't know about you but when the Godfather asks me to do something I jump on it.
chill633
Solar Enthusiast
I, too, jump. All the while plotting how to screw him as hard as possible and get out of being beholden. It is a toxic relationship and no way I will willingly be anyone's bitch -- no matter how good the deal seems.
rogerheflin
Solar Addict
I don't advocate escalation, except that no one is giving the other sides ANY reasonable way out. The only way out involves the standard mafia move of you give me 51% of your business, and that is not an option. So escalation/chicken until someone blinks.
fatjay
Solar Wizard
fatjay
Solar Wizard
They have an easy way out. Trump is only doing this in response to other countries tariffs.
You charge us, but we don't charge you.
Trump says if you charge us, we will charge you, too.
If you don't want us to charge you, you need to stop charging us.
Trump doesn't want tariffs, trump is only using tariffs to get other countries to stop charging us tariffs.
S Davis
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Except he doesn’t seem to understand the difference between a tariff and trade deficit, kinda hard to negotiate with someone when they don’t have a grasp on the basics.
JäseH
New Member
Agreed I’m sick of Lethos and Heard Island and McDonald screwing us Americans!!
Didn’t you see that formula? It had Greek letters!
JäseH
New Member
I'm far from a Trump fan, but the single thing I've been on board with is his tough stance against China. The problem is that the way he goes about implementing changes is completely opaque and slapdash. If China is the problem, why is he penalizing our allies as well? They're all at risk from Chinese industrial policy and rampant overproduction as well, so why not partner up with them to take on China's aggressive industrial subsidies?
The Trans Pacific Partnership was an attempt to draw other Asian countries closer to the U.S. orbit so that they would have an alternative to China. He torpedoed that, now he's going after our North American neighbors, as well as our allies across the lake. All this while genuflecting to the autocratic regime in Moscow. I can't make it make sense. And I'm certain that no one else that took college level economics can either.
No one can make long-term investment decisions with this administration. If you were going to spend money to ramp up U.S. production, this pause is a rug pull. If you were going to continue importing and pass the costs of the tariffs on, you have no idea what you're going to pay or how much of the cost increase you'll need to absorb. This isn't rational policy making...it's something more akin to gambling. Business investment is going to decline substantially in the absence of stable trade policy.
The Trans Pacific Partnership was an attempt to draw other Asian countries closer to the U.S. orbit so that they would have an alternative to China. He torpedoed that, now he's going after our North American neighbors, as well as our allies across the lake. All this while genuflecting to the autocratic regime in Moscow. I can't make it make sense. And I'm certain that no one else that took college level economics can either.
No one can make long-term investment decisions with this administration. If you were going to spend money to ramp up U.S. production, this pause is a rug pull. If you were going to continue importing and pass the costs of the tariffs on, you have no idea what you're going to pay or how much of the cost increase you'll need to absorb. This isn't rational policy making...it's something more akin to gambling. Business investment is going to decline substantially in the absence of stable trade policy.
WorldwideDave
Solar Addict
What if it *all* was fake news?
I can see crime going up in the USA if these are actual facts.
I can see crime going up in the USA if these are actual facts.
SunDave
Solar Addict
Reminds me of covid times. "When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout".
I prefer to watch. No panic buying, no freaking out. No watching the newspeople run out of breath trying to whip up views.
I prefer to watch. No panic buying, no freaking out. No watching the newspeople run out of breath trying to whip up views.
seneysolar
24V
Yep China can't feed themselves.
They have been buying US farmland for years because of this.
pollenface
Solar Wizard
I installed a bidet to get through the next wave of toilet paper hoarders.
chill633
Solar Enthusiast
Yep. A major issue and Xi knows it. In 2021, Brazil replaced the United States as China’s largest agricultural supplier, providing 20 percent of China’s agricultural imports. It is also one of the main drivers in their Belt and Road initiative.
Same situation with energy, but unlike food where they're constrained by geography and climate, energy self-sufficiency is what is driving their moves into solar, wind, and hydro. They're certainly pivoting away from the US as being an energy supplier, and that will hurt our producers by curtailing their markets. This hits home for me as WV owes 2% of the State GDP solely to exports of coal to China. Not sure where else we can pivot to, though personally I'm fine if it all just stays in the ground.
The collapse of China and the global shift in energy to electrification and solar has been apparent for some time now. This just turbo charges everything. I placed all my orders for everything on Monday, so now am just watching for tracking numbers.
