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4 X class solar flares to impact this weekend.

Saw some info that we will get hit with some more X class flares, so the forecast is another possible G5 storm today/tonight.

Went out last night to see if there were any more auroras, but nothing. It was also partly cloudy and a bit foggy so that didn't help. But we might see something tonight based on that forecast.
 
Here is one to get you started. Has interesting case studies of what went wrong in previous CME caused outages. "Geomagnetic Storms and Long-Term Impacts on Power Systems, PACIFIC NORTHWEST NATIONAL LABORATORY" .pdf link


Fairly readable.

"A scheme for blocking DC in transformer neutrals was developed, and a pilot was installed. However, the need for such a scheme may be diminished because Hydro-Québec also installed series compensation capacitors in most of the long lines in the 735-kV network."

Capacitors block DC. What voltage would develop across them, from the currents developed by geomagnetic storm? Can they handle that without failing?

Those are some pretty d*mn big capacitors, able to store the transmitted power for a phase. Although, series connected they are allowed to have a large voltage swing, unlike decoupling on batteries which is limited to the voltage sag allowed by "stiff" power source represented by the batteries.


One solution would be to run L1, L2, L3, N all as "twisted" wires on the poles, rather than having Earth as return. The utilities would NOT like the cost of that added wire. It's current would be quite small, and it would not even need insulators. But it needs to be positioned within the Delta of the other three.

I think that is "Star-quad" as mentioned in other papers.


 
Are you saying that transformers for high voltage transmission use Y configuration for both the secondary step-up driving the line and primary of step-down being driven? Unlike Y secondary and Delta primary for most low-voltage applications? Because it needs to drain off high voltage low current which is developed, to avoid breakdown of insulation?

That's my understanding, yes.

Seems to me a resistor would either allow the current anyway, or limit current but allow excessive voltage. So disconnect would be the only way.

Typical transmission lines run AC currents per-phase-conductor in the 750A ballpark during normal operation and the largest ones are rated a bit over 4,000A. The DC drift to hysterical voltages of elevated wires with no DC path to ground due to the atmospheric vertical field is driven by leakage from the upper-air/ground capacitor, and the bulk of the charging of that, for the entire world, comes from electrical storms - at about an amp each and about 1,000 active at any time. (A tad more comes from solar winds and cosmic radiation.) A transmission line intercepts a minuscule fraction of that current - and one of them could handle most of it for the entire planet. The "charged by the atmosphere" effect is in the hours timescale.

A ground fault on one conductor would drive the other two to a somewhat higher voltage (sqrt(3), about 1.73, times normal) and unbalanced loads among the phases produce unequal voltage drops in the three conductors and drag the voltage distribution off-center - which is what bypassing a resistor with a big capacitor is about: The ground fault and drag-back-toward-centered currents are AC, so the capacitors can handle most of that. Arcs are intermittent, though, so the capacitance of the wires to ground and the bypass capacitor, if present, would acquire some DC charge - a fraction of the operating voltage - from an arc / ground fault, and the resistor would drain that. This would typically produce far more load on the resistor than the atmospheric currents.

Lightning strikes, lightning-induced surges, and other very high voltage events are handled by the lightning protection gadgetry. Though magnetic storms might induce, say, five volts per mile, transmission lines typically are under a thousand miles long and run at 138 to 765 kV (and occasionally more). So the induced voltage is at most a single-digit percentage of their operating voltage, far less than the boost on two of the phases from a ground fault on the third.

The problem is that the mag storm voltage persists for a long time - many cycles of the AC. So if nothing is done to limit it, the DC-component of currents in the transformer coils builds up, the core saturates, and then the current driven by the line power voltage goes sky-high and burns out the transformer.
 
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The knowledge base of this forum’s membership is staggering. Way too much for my last two rubbing brain cells to fully comprehend. 😝 Still addictively interesting.
 
I love coming to the forum, because I get my daily dose of "THIS is the big thing that's gonna end humanity in a few days, no really THIS is the one this time, it's something nobody knows about, but trust me bro!"

Plain old news media fear mongering just doesn't do it for me anymore... I need my dose from Internet folks...
That's an interesting strawman you've conjured up there.
 
Are you saying that transformers for high voltage transmission use Y configuration for both the secondary step-up driving the line and primary of step-down being driven? Unlike Y secondary and Delta primary for most low-voltage applications? Because it needs to drain off high voltage low current which is developed, to avoid breakdown of insulation?



Seems to me a resistor would either allow the current anyway, or limit current but allow excessive voltage. So disconnect would be the only way.
Most power transformers are delta high side wye low side, this way high side is balanced, and low side provides ground source for fault current.
 
This is essentially what has been done here in the Nordics. The transformers are designed to be able to handle it. It helps that companies like ABB have their (engineering) home base here.
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From what ive experienced, they’ve taken a Boeing nose dive in the past 3 years.
 
Friday night around 45 parallel in western mountains of Maine looking due north, iPhone 14 camera on long shutter night mode way over exaggerated, first and last are more inline of what my eye actually saw.

I’d describe it as a strong dusk “glow” that hung around with some colors, I was take. Back by around 10pm streaks and bands running full south to north.

I didn’t see much action of dancing or defined bands of northern lights like I’ve seen in Iceland, but still pretty cool event, can’t wait till the next one, maybe in another few months.

These CME are cyclical, every what 7-12 years they all spike in periodicy.
 

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That's just the 'Power Grids' JV with Hitachi. They still have their transformer business, and it's still top notch (at least here in the region). Hitachi also does its development and R&D here, and they're pretty good as far as I hear from the locals.
 
they are installing three 50mvar sync condensers in our area (old ABB facility, gotta be good, it’s from Sweden), and the amount of screw up’s is unbelievable.

They didn’t specify storage and environment controls of the rotating machine while waiting for delivery, so the stator has surface rust, the insulation needed to be “dried” out for 2 weeks in a makeshift “hot tent”. Maybe the issue is just state side support, or lack there of, but it leaves much to be desired for how the inservice life will be, let alone life after warranty is expired.

Time will tell.
 
Well I know all you Solar Storm rookies have put this one to bed and stopped following it but us Ham Operators follow solar storms every day of life.

So the event that gave all those people the Nice Auroras was an X2.8 Flare from AR3664.
A X5.8 Flare went off from AR3664 two days later and Impacted us on Monday but it was a Glancing blow so no big CME events.
Luckily we are out of rotational view of AR3664 because it just Went off again today and produced an X8.7 Flare.
I have no idea how big the CME is yet but if by some chance it was proportional to the Flare size and it if had happened 7 days earlier we would be looking at something very close to a Carrington Event which was estimated to be an X10 Flare. Luckily it will be skirting past the side of the Earth and will not be an issue.



Just something to think about as AR3664 will be rotating back into our direction in another 34 days.
Most likely weaker but who knows. We are in uncharted territory.
 
at something very close to a Carrington Event which was estimated to be an X10 Flare. Luckily it will be skirting past the side of the Earth and will not be an issue.
Ah sucks. I was looking forward to seeing auroras in south Florida.
 
Ah sucks. I was looking forward to seeing auroras in south Florida.
LOL that plus a lot of other things would be seen ;)
The Ham Bands are Dead right now. An S7 noise level on 20m, less QRN as I go down the bands but everywhere is silent, no audible stations.
 
but what it means isn't
Geomagnetic storms are not a big deal anymore. We don't rely on shortwave radio anymore and power grids have protection systems in place and adaptations. We could get through another Carrington and have temporary power interruptions at worst without permanent damage. Anything else is scaremongering for clicks/views.
 
Geomagnetic storms are not a big deal anymore. We don't rely on shortwave radio anymore and power grids have protection systems in place and adaptations. We could get through another Carrington and have temporary power interruptions at worst without permanent damage. Anything else is scaremongering for clicks/views.

I hope you're right and I'm sure you know more about this than I do. But given the aging grid infrastructure and the frequency of rolling blackouts and grids going down during summer and winter, along with human nature and government and corporate competency and ethics (thinking of Enron as just one example)....I have to admit I'm skeptical. But I hope you're right.
 
Geomagnetic storms are not a big deal anymore. We don't rely on shortwave radio anymore and power grids have protection systems in place and adaptations. We could get through another Carrington and have temporary power interruptions at worst without permanent damage. Anything else is scaremongering for clicks/views.
The likelihood of another Carrington type event is minimal. Even if the Sun lets off a huge CME the chances of the Earth being in the path are small but I don't agree with your assessment of possible damage.
A CME is going to wreak Havoc with all LEO Satellites and electrically with non military grade Geo stationary Satellites.
Even if the LEO Sat's have no issue with the charge particles they cannot get around the increased drag a CME creates. This will sink all of them into a lower orbit which will then require more fuel to get them back into a proper orbit. A lot of signal blackouts will be occurring and in terms of long term impact at the very least a lot of extra fuel would be wasted which will shorten their lifespans.

As for the Grid, I will believe it when one happens and everything is fine. I have lost faith in Governments and Big companies statements about their preparedness level for a disaster.
 
Geomagnetic storms are not a big deal anymore. We don't rely on shortwave radio anymore and power grids have protection systems in place and adaptations. We could get through another Carrington and have temporary power interruptions at worst without permanent damage. Anything else is scaremongering for clicks/views.
What are these protection systems in place for the grid that prevent the DC current induced in the lines magnetically saturating grid transformers turning them into resistive heaters so if the power is not cut it burns them out (not with a huge current either, so you can't prevent it with your normal surge protection etc)?

I heard this is one of the key modes of permanent grid damage. Also as demonstrated this weekend we're not talking about a CME in a same way as let's say a lightning strike. Few milliseconds and it's done. No, it can go on for days, perhaps weeks if waves of plasma keep coming. This means multiple hits, some smaller, some larger. In a way grids that stay on(or are quickly reeestablished) are much more in danger. Also, how do you detect minor damage in transformers without visiting each and every one? Then you switch on the power and they start failing. How do you replace, let's say optimistically 10% of all your grid transformers quickly? What if this is global?

Then you look at all the supply chain issues. Would China allow export of these transformers if they needed them? Would Kongo establish huge export tax on copper? How long would it take? Weeks, months, years? And within these years without power would we maintain the security stance required to accomplish rebuilding it?

I'm told there are solutions to protect these transformers, but it costs money and you can't do it remotely. You'd need people visit and install equipment on every single transformer. It is possible to build them in a way that makes them less susceptible. We're not doing that either. Don't ask me how exactly I'm not an expert, but people I trust made me believe the above is true.

Regarding the probability of Carrington style events and more, people that watch Sun's activity (spots, flare frequency etc) are pretty concerned the probability is very much not in our favor. People who watch Sun's activity claim it has been increasing a lot more than what is expected from just a maximum in an 11 year cycle. The effects are visible on all planets where we have probes. Huge storms that were thought to be stable for centuries changing direction on Uranus is just one. Climate change on Mars (wonder why that one doesn't get the publicity) etc.

Also,what is it that protects the Earth (and other planets) from solar plasma? Our magnetic field. And the question we should be asking is, is that thing stable? The answer sadly is nope!

It diminishes greatly and fluctuates rapidly during so called magnetic pole shifts(or reversals). How often do these happen? Every 6k years ago. And when was the last one? 6k years ago. And before? 12k yes ago, before 18k yes ago and so on. We are seeing much more effect on Earth from relatively minor solar stuff now than we did in the last solar cycle.

You can take the above or leave it. Don't ask me for research paper links for all the claims. I don't have the time to search for them. You can consider it scaremongering or you can do your own research. As I said, people I trust in the field say these things and they seem very credible to me.

The other question is, let's consider two positions. One, it is all bullshit and we're fine. In such case we can just do nothing and if we prepare there is extra monetary cost to bear. If it's not bullshit there is a question how bad of a crisis can it be? Can you survive a month without power, with store shelves empty, with civil unrest etc? How about a year?

There are levels of preparedness. If a huge one hits and lightning bolts shoot between the front and back case of your newest phone while you're holding it in you hand most of us are dead anyway, but what if it's a lot smaller? Let's say "just" the grid goes down for years which causes an initial period of unrest/lack of supply for only few weeks/months at worst. Would you not want to be prepared for it just in case?

Here are Amazon links for my suggested items: 🤣 (I'm only joking)

I know how it sounds. Sometimes people ask me, how do you separate bullshit from truth online? And I tell them, there is no shortcut, you have to do your own research if you want to be certain.
 
Having read the uk-severe-space-weather-preparedness-strategy.pdf from .Gov, seems they talk about days of grid outage for the main parts of the country and possibly longer for those in coastal areas as there is less grid redundancy.
 
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