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5 panels, what charge controller?

turtlepower

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I have 5 panels, each is 40v, 345 watt. In series this is 200 volts.
I could wire them in parallel or series.
I want to have a 12 volt system so I can also charge it via the alternator on cloudy days.
What is the right charge control or charge controller for this?

Background:
17' Uhaul RV conversion. Going for off-grid as possible. 2" insulation all around. Mini-Split will be installed. I like it to run 24 hours a day if possible. I have 4 12v 100 ah lifepo batterires but can buy more. I will upgrade the alternator and use a proper dc-dc charging method. The panels fit
 
340W * 5 = 1700W

1700W / 13.6V (typical charge voltage) = 125A

A Midnite Solar Classic 250 would work for 5S, but you'd get nowhere near 125A.

Recommend 3 MPPT:
2P or 2S on a Victron 100/50
2P or 2S on a Victron 100/50
1 on a Victron 100/30

Concerning your energy needs, you need to do an energy audit. See link #1 in my signature.
 
You can get cheap MPPT from Temu not as good as Victron but one for each og your solar panel. Get more LiFePO4 (300ah) and connect each charger to each LiFePO4.
340W * 5 = 1700W

1700W / 13.6V (typical charge voltage) = 125A

A Midnite Solar Classic 250 would work for 5S, but you'd get nowhere near 125A.

Recommend 3 MPPT:
2P or 2S on a Victron 100/50
2P or 2S on a Victron 100/50
1 on a Victron 100/30

Concerning your energy needs, you need to do an energy audit. See link #1 in my signature.
 
Is this really what you're going with?

I suspect the OP wants higher quality than Temu - as should we all.
The ultimate goal is to charge his batteries since he is on the road. I bet he has a budget and I guess those MPPT charge controllers will be good. They are rated for 100A for under 40. OP can easily maximize his battery charging. I have bought 2 but I still have to hook my solar but I am on the fence since I want to be stealth- that's why I bought extra 300AH for redundancy and my charger through inverter and alternator charges at 330W.

P.S I only say not as good because I haven't used them to know how good or bad but the reviews have all been good. I don't even know why Victron is so over priced compared to these
 
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The ultimate goal is to charge his batteries since he is on the road. I bet he has a budget and I guess those MPPT charge controllers will be good. They are rated for 100A for under 40.

This is my point. You have NO idea what you're recommending. NONE of those are MPPT. They are PWM, and they will absolutely cripple his array forcing his 40V panels to operate at battery voltage resulting in a 55% penalty to the array - yeah. The 1700W array will NEVER output more than 750W.


Two. No single one meets the 125A needed.
 
This is my point. You have NO idea what you're recommending. NONE of those are MPPT. They are PWM, and they will absolutely cripple his array forcing his 40V panels to operate at battery voltage resulting in a 55% penalty to the array - yeah. The 1700W array will NEVER output more than 750W.



Two. No single one meets the 125A needed.

Not asking him to put an array rather a 4 different systems (each panels) dedicated for 4 different batteries. He will not be stranded when one fails even if they are not actual MPPT.
If he is on a "budget" he should spend more on batteries instead of overpriced Victron otherwise it doesn't matter.
 
Not asking him to put an array rather a 4 different systems (each panels) dedicated for 4 different batteries. He will not be stranded when one fails even if they are not actual MPPT.
If he is on a "budget" he should spend more on batteries instead of overpriced Victron otherwise it doesn't matter.

You missed the point again. The "MPPT" you are recommending are NOT MPPT. They will NOT work for him. Period. You are recommending a product that will turn each of his 345W panels into at most 150W panels.

The OP did not ask "How can I make sure my 1725W array wil never output more than 750W ever?" - this is the question YOU answered.

The fact that you don't realize this should be a wakeup call that you're not providing quality advice and should just sit this one out.
 
You missed the point again. The "MPPT" you are recommending are NOT MPPT. They will NOT work for him. Period. You are recommending a product that will turn each of his 345W panels into at most 150W panels.

The OP did not ask "How can I make sure my 1725W array wil never output more than 750W ever?" - this is the question YOU answered.

The fact that you don't realize this should be a wakeup call that you're not providing quality advice and should just sit this one out.
As I have not tested my MPPT controller to know what they are I can't be sure. But I can't say they are just nor MPPT and just PWM.

Well it doesn't cost too much to spend on one unit to test and see whether OP likes it or not.

if anyone here who has bought other MPPT controller that is efficient and much cheaper than Victron definitely they can recommend.
 
As I have not tested my MPPT controller to know what they are I can't be sure.

So you're recommending a product you have no experience with?

But I can't say they are just nor MPPT and just PWM.

Not sure what you're trying or not trying to say here. If you're trying to claim they're MPPT, you're wrong. They're PWM, and a PWM controller will cripple his 345W panels and ensure they NEVER output more than 150W.

Well it doesn't cost too much to spend on one unit to test and see whether OP likes it or not.

You're advocating saving money. Now you're advocating potentially throwing money away on a produce that is certain to disappoint?

if anyone here who has bought other MPPT controller that is efficient and much cheaper than Victron definitely they can recommend.

Is English your native language?
 
I have 5 panels, each is 40v, 345 watt. In series this is 200 volts.
I could wire them in parallel or series.
You most wouldn't recommend wiring them in parallel unless you have shading concerns on your roof.
You could put 4 panels with 2 parallel strings of 2. The the 5th panel on a separate charge controller.
If you put all 5 in parallel, you'd have 40+ amps coming out of the array, into the charge controller.
While a series string is simpler as you just have the 2 smaller gauge wires that need to penetrate the van wall.
I want to have a 12 volt system so I can also charge it via the alternator on cloudy days.
What is the right charge control or charge controller for this?
There's literally hundreds of options. Victron is a quality, reliable, top tier choice. Are you working with a tight budget? Does a $600 Victron make you want other options? If you provide your full panel specs and coldest temps you'll ever see, someone can do the math to see if you can get away with a smaller charge controller than the 250/100
Background:
17' Uhaul RV conversion. Going for off-grid as possible. 2" insulation all around. Mini-Split will be installed. I like it to run 24 hours a day if possible. I have 4 12v 100 ah lifepo batterires but can buy more. I will upgrade the alternator and use a proper dc-dc charging method. The panels fit
Depending on your ratio of parked to driving time, solar or alternator charging may provide more energy. But there's no free lunch, alternator charging burns more fuel (so does the wind drag from the solar panels)

Not asking him to put an array rather a 4 different systems (each panels) dedicated for 4 different batteries.
There's a pretty easy assumption that all 4 batteries will be paralleled into one battery bank. Not that each battery needs it's own solar panel and has it's own loads. That would be a weird setup on an RV.
He will not be stranded when one fails even if they are not actual MPPT.
If he is on a "budget" he should spend more on batteries instead of overpriced Victron otherwise it doesn't matter.
This isn't your budget, don't assume someone has your Top Ramen budget or sunshine_eggo's unhealthy obsession with Victron. I'm sure there are decent options between totally inferior PWM charge controllers that will hobble the array and likely require the Op to purchase spares from the slave labor in China and $600 charge controllers that will hobble the food budget for a month.

More details from the op would help narrow down a good recommendation.
 
So you're recommending a product you have no experience with?



Not sure what you're trying or not trying to say here. If you're trying to claim they're MPPT, you're wrong. They're PWM, and a PWM controller will cripple his 345W panels and ensure they NEVER output more than 150W.



You're advocating saving money. Now you're advocating potentially throwing money away on a produce that is certain to disappoint?



Is English your native language?
I gave my suggestion for OP.
 
I gave my suggestion for OP.


Nearly all the "MPPT" on Temu that are cheap are made by "MPPT solar" and are actually PWM controllers - or they just blatantly lie on TEMU about what it is and the specs.

Usually you can tell by the shape/size/picture and the presence or USB ports on it.

Better to just burn the money, at least you get to watch the pretty colors.
 
Nearly all the "MPPT" on Temu that are cheap are made by "MPPT solar" and are actually PWM controllers - or they just blatantly lie on TEMU about what it is and the specs.

Usually you can tell by the shape/size/picture and the presence or USB ports on it.

Better to just burn the money, at least you get to watch the pretty colors.
"Nearly all" is not burning money. You are free to do what you want.
 
That's your opinion.

Nope. It's fact. It's well known the cheap MPPT are fake and are PWM.

The way a PWM controller operates is well known.

It's also well known that operating the incorrect panel on a PWM controller will cripple the panel.

Again, you answered the question: "How can I cripple my 1725W array so that it NEVER outputs more than 750W."

Congrats. Your advice has been so bad, you get the rare distinction of having me follow you, so your garbage advice can be corrected.
 
"Nearly all" is not burning money. You are free to do what you want.


Ah, but the real problem is telling the difference as a new person to solar without wasting a bunch of money on junk. There are any number of brands of MPPT available that are relatively low cost.

I am going to have to agree with egg-on-his-face - bad advice -

at 14v charge - most controllers are limited to 800w or so max



These are more budget friendly options that the blue stuff - middle tier stuff


HQST - at 12v it puts out 1200w - $179
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PowMr 100A MPPT - $196​

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Ah, but the real problem is telling the difference as a new person to solar without wasting a bunch of money on junk. There are any number of brands of MPPT available that are relatively low cost.
if OP is interested should do more research or just take a risk following someone's advise blindly. Thats why I suggested someone who has something good information other than Victron. Those Victron are not worth the money as it cost sames as LiFePO4 or even more.

If OP uses his battery constantly then he definitely needs more AH.

There is lot to think about break-ins, theft, vandalism, accidents, etc. in the long run.
 
You can get cheap MPPT from Temu not as good as Victron but one for each og your solar panel. Get more LiFePO4 (300ah) and connect each charger to each LiFePO4.

Please don't recommend garbage from Temu. This is me as a DIY enthusiast (not as a moderator) that wants quality gear, not crappy gear.

It's well known that there are a lot of PWM solar charge controllers masquerading as MPPT. Caveat Emptor and all that, but we're here to warn you that not everything with an MPPT label is actually MPPT.
 
if OP is interested should do more research or just take a risk following someone's advise blindly. Thats why I suggested someone who has something good information other than Victron. Those Victron are not worth the money as it cost sames as LiFePO4 or even more.

If OP uses his battery constantly then he definitely needs more AH.

There is lot to think about break-ins, theft, vandalism, accidents, etc. in the long run.

 
if OP is interested should do more research or just take a risk following someone's advise blindly. Thats why I suggested someone who has something good information other than Victron. Those Victron are not worth the money as it cost sames as LiFePO4 or even more.

If OP uses his battery constantly then he definitely needs more AH.

There is lot to think about break-ins, theft, vandalism, accidents, etc. in the long run.


One note - I NEVER recommend people take advice blindly - which is one reason I typically write novels as anwers - to explain the math and my reasoning when needed. This is DIY, but there is tremendous energy stored in batteries and it can be fatal to make some mistakes through lack of understanding.

If for some reason I recommend something off Temu or Aliexpress it is a product I have purchased and know the quality of it.... I have fuses, pv meters, and breakers off aliexpress to check that they work and are what they advertise.... the YR1035 meter, PV673 meter, TOMZN breakers, and a few other things are examples.

All of them are what I would expect and are between 30% and 50% cheaper than in the US at the cost of 3 weeks shipping in most cases.
 
Please don't recommend garbage from Temu. This is me as a DIY enthusiast (not as a moderator) that wants quality gear, not crappy gear.

It's well known that there are a lot of PWM solar charge controllers masquerading as MPPT. Caveat Emptor and all that, but we're here to warn you that not everything with an MPPT label is actually MPPT.
That is all he has been doing since arriving here last week in nearly every post, shill?
Now he is editing most of his post with zzz
 

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