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Am I missing something here?

I got sick of throwing away Milwaukee tools and batteries away, so now when they die they get replaced by Makita tools.

One thing Milwaukee doesn't do, and not sure if any tool maker does, is have a cell balancer on the BMS. I have a 7 year old 12ah that keeps dying and I keep bringing it back by cracking it open and using a dc power supply to rebalance because one string has a worn cell I think and goes low. If they put a balancer in them I think the batteries would last much longer instead they just rely on matching cells.
 
I have to laugh, the gas saw is sawing farther down the trunk/branch which gets larger the farther right he goes, while the trunk/branch gets smaller the more the electric goes to the left.

Yes, the current lineup of Milwaukee would be a step up from Ryobi and others like Harbor Freight. The current red tools are a step down from tools of the past sold for construction applications and daily use.
I was lusting after a Milwaukee 3/8" impact for years, but too much $. Got a good deal on a 3/8 Hercules impact and love it. Bought a 1/2" ultimate as well. Its ridiculously powerful. 5 year tool warranty, 3 year battery. Batteries are cheap, new, off Ebay. I keep reading about mechanics abandoning Milwaukee for them. Otherwise everything else I have is Bosch.
 
One thing to keep in mind when shopping for Milwaukee M12 or M18 tools is to always buy the "tool only" stuff.

Once you have a few batteries and chargers you will save a BUNDLE of money buying tool only. Sometimes as much as 60% off the normal price.
 
I was lusting after a Milwaukee 3/8" impact for years, but too much $.

I have the 3/8 M12 stubby that thing takes the lug nuts off my Jeep no problem, honestly for a home owner the M12's are plenty and I use them all the time, drill, driver, hacksaw, ratchet. I do have the big 1/2" 1200lbs/ft M18 nut buster though for the big stuff and the M18 inflator is amazing, maybe one of their best tools.
 
I own a lot of red tools. The quality is starting a decline and I think the decline is steepening. I've owned the red stuff for over 30 years now. I'm not impressed lately. The batteries are great and the Fuel brushless is great too. The rest of the tool sucks, doesn't matter what tool. I even posted bad reviews on Milwaukee's website on an impact 2 weeks old and they deleted it. So I kept posting and they finally emailed me about fixing the problem.

I use the drills everyday. I own several. Lately one has decided it won't change rotation when pushing the switch from side to side. It has to have a hard bang against something hard to finally reverse direction. I really like getting climbed up on something in a tough spot and have the drill decide to act up. I already replaced one chuck, most worthless piece of crap I ever saw Milwaukee put on a drill. Tried the tighten, then loosen one click, tried every trick out there. The chucks still loosen up or slip. Of course Milwaukee has a fix for the slip, the "3-FLAT SECURE-GRIP™ prevents bit from slipping in chuck" but the chuck still loosens. The 3 flat bits are only very common sizes like 1/4", 5/16", 3/8". etc.

Driver impacts have problems with the bit sticking in the chuck. The die grinder chuck has the opposite problem the drills have, the bit/collet get stuck. Many more issues on all of the lineup.

I've been a faithful customer for over 30 years. I don't think it will be much longer. If you think the quality is great, you must have owned some real garbage in the past. I make my living using tools, Milwaukee is becoming the tools of weekend warriors. Kind of like some inverters which brought about this thread.

I'll run your chainsaw against my gas Stihl MS462 with a 26" bar anyday. :ROFLMAO:
Didn't want to derail the thread but since someone already did 😁 ... I use these tools daily to make a living and if not already so heavily invested in red, I would switch today.

No experience with Makita and no one at work uses them, are they any good?
 
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Milwaukee seems to come up with all kinds of specialty tool for different trades.
Personally their 1/2inch gun 1500 ftlb was the game changer for me. Besides 3/8 gun my favourite is 3/8 brushed m12 ratchet, has a nice small head to get in tight spots.

but m18 and m12 all have terrible bms.
 
I run two sets of Milwaukee at work. Probably 30 tools in all. Have De-Walt at home. Maybe 15 tools. Overall they are approximately the same in quality, etc. The one thing I like about De-Walt is that they seem a little less chunky. The plastics are more rounded and stay out of the way. That's about it for actual difference.

The Milwaukee seems a bit cheaper for what it does, so that's a point in their direction.

I even have some Ryobi for specialty rarely used tools. Right angle drivers, small drill looking tire inflator, that kind of thing. Ryobi is ok for occasional use, but I am a little more careful with them.

This stuff changes by the month, so all bets are off as to if there is a decent battery tool for long. Money flows towards the cheap stuff, so it's hard to blame them for pleasing the market. Buyers like some of us that would pay a bit more for quality are rare. Then there is the Festool and other more botique lines. Value per dollar declines in those markets, depending on your use case. There are still valid reasons for some to go that route.
 
I watched as Milwaukee cheapened and cheapened. Used Ridgid until they stopped honoring their "lifetime" warranty, and switched to Bosch. I've dabbled with Makita drill and impactor but they seem to be cheapening. Prob ultimately stay with Bosch. Bosch is making me wealthy.

I do have one Milwaukee tool: A PEX-A expander. No one else makes one and PEX-A is the best.

I put Chipolos inside power tools, in case they decide to 'take a walk', since I provide tools for staffers. Silence the Chipolo or it will alert the thief. Find the tool, bust his car window, and take it back. That's how they do it Downtown.
 
I do have one Milwaukee tool: A PEX-A expander. No one else makes one and PEX-A is the best.
I wouldnt use PEX-A if you gave it to me for free. go look at all the lawsuits and videos showing pex-a leaking at the fitting.
 
First time I used the 12v right angle drill, the first image, using a paddle bit I caught it on fire. I had to rip out the battery and chuck the tool into the snow. 0/10, not impressed.
I have used the heck out of mine, paddle bits and wire brushes everything no issues in 6 years of use.
 
Ryobi 14" Chainsaw (40V Battery)
First one lasted 1 year (lots of abuse, however).
Second one lasted 20 minutes (not abused at all).
Have replacement in garage in unopened box (Home Depot exchange).
It will probably die too.

Disclaimer: I have a 24" Husquvarna gas-powered 460 Rancher for the big trees.
It has taken down dozens of trees for my solar ground mount clearing.
Still going strong.

All I wanted in an electric was something simple and easy for small branches and trees.
Dismal failure so far.

Isn't Ryobi owned by Milwaukee?
 
It's a version thing.
Everything 3 or more years old is awesome.
After that it's less reliable.
 
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I wouldnt use PEX-A if you gave it to me for free. go look at all the lawsuits and videos showing pex-a leaking at the fitting.
Don't worry, I won't give it to you for free.

You're conflating PEX-A... and PEX-B which is sold at the big boxes. ("SharkBite", NIBCO, et al) PEX-A is available only at plumbing wholesalers.

PEX-A has replaced copper in all newer homes, and for good reason.
 
Don't worry, I won't give it to you for free.

You're conflating PEX-A... and PEX-B which is sold at the big boxes. ("SharkBite", NIBCO, et al) PEX-A is available only at plumbing wholesalers.

PEX-A has replaced copper in all newer homes, and for good reason.
no, Im am not confusing pex a with pex b. and you couldnt even pay me to use pex A

pex a (uponor) uses expansion rings and they are failing en masse
pex b uses copper crimp rings or stainless clamps and they are not failing.
 
I have both in service for 15 years, and no issues so far (don't worry I literally knocked on wood). In my opinion with pex, all fittings and transitions should be made in serviceable locations. That's the whole point of the flexibility of the tubing. Unfortunately, if you don't watch those plumbers, they like to cut it off an inch above the concrete, and switch to another run of tubing, or T off of it.

I just have the A with in-floor heat I believe, and no connections except at the manifold. I do sometimes wonder if plastics are peeling off the walls of the pipe over time in the pex plumbing, but you have to die from something right?

There will always be the next new thing. Doesn't mean it is inherently better than the old thing. Care during installation is likely a bigger factor than the components used. A bad install with good parts is still a mess.
 
Don't worry, I won't give it to you for free.

You're conflating PEX-A... and PEX-B which is sold at the big boxes. ("SharkBite", NIBCO, et al) PEX-A is available only at plumbing wholesalers.

PEX-A has replaced copper in all newer homes, and for good reason.
Not wading into the debate, just noting that BOTH are available at big box stores. Neither are exclusive to plumbing wholesalers. Where I live (WV), Home Depot carries both.
 
Was reading a thread about the Flexboss/Gridboss and the problems with the software and capability of these units. Some will argue that technology features built into these inverters and components are the way of the future. Reading some of these threads, I have to wonder why someone wants complexity and multiple failure points built into their power generation plus the need for firmware/software updates and large amounts of technical support.

Every inverter I use is simple. I don't use battery communications, I've never seen a need for it. I only use Solar Assistant for data collection, that is the extent of the technological integrations. I installed the inverters, set the desired charging profiles and other settings and produced power. The failure points are pretty straight forward, either the inverters are putting out power, collecting PV power and using it for battery charging or to power loads. I never needed a single firmware or software update on any inverter. They just work. I also didn't pay a huge sum of money for them either. I had one recent contact with technical support and it was due to an error in the earlier edition manual that was corrected in later edition manuals. I don't intend to stand on one foot with my left hand straight out front with my right hand behind my back while doing some weird firmware/software update while chanting, "I'm a beta and not an alpha" tester while tech support is logging into my inverters It is just ridiculous.

I've worked in the automotive and HVAC repair industries for a long time. What I have seen over the years is increases in technology and complexity of systems increases failures exponentially. The simplest systems were built that way in order to last. In the mobile HVAC industry on industrial applications, occasionally I see electronic components replace the older standard mechanical type components that worked for years. I believe some of this is due to older engineers retiring and new fresh out of college engineers trying to reinvent the wheel. I have actually seen such high failure rates with these electrical components that in the end the replacement parts went back to old school mechanical components. The only other reason I've seen the electrical components was the profit margin on service and replacement components by the OE manufacturer. Old school part might cost $10 but a pcb device can cost $1. The old school part sells for $25 retail level, the pcb device can be sold for $400 retail level. Both do the same job, just one has a much higher profit potential than the other and one will not last as long as the other.

Reminds me of the story behind the light bulb and the regulation of light bulbs back in the early years. Manufacturers created a cartel and if a light bulb didn't meet the set standard, the manufacturer was fined. The standard of course was if the light bulb lasted too long, no one would sell many replacements. Planned obsolesce is to sell more product. Just remember that.

The worst thing I want is complexity when it comes to my power generation. We had a blizzard here this past week and there wasn't any travel with extreme whiteout conditions and 60 mph wind gusts with steady winds in the 40's. Snow/freezing rain, temps around the 25F to 30F area. I've seen this scenario before, the power lines start whipping and lines go down. One time the major transmission lines went down and the area didn't have power for 2 weeks. The last thing I need is for my power generation to go down and trying to troubleshoot some gremlin in such conditions.

I just don't understand the mentality of buying some of these products. Having the latest and greatest doesn't mean you will have power when you need it. Considering the firmware/software updates, these products have not been tested long term. I'm an alpha, not a beta and don't ever intend to become a beta.
Zwy, I agree with you, the simpler the system, the easier for the end users to manage and troubleshoot. My take on Flexboss/Gridboss is that EG4 is designing and marketing to installers and not end users.
 

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