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Amortization of system...

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Greetings.
Took me 36 months for my grid tied solar production to equate the cost of all (installed myself) and the amount the utility company did not bill me.

A good day making 30KWh; a bad day 10KWh. How long took it for yours to amortize ?
 
Was going to be about $30k for pole sets and primary wire from the utility to set up a 100a meter socket for our three season camp.

By my math, I still have 26k to spend on my system before we’re even, at least that’s what I tell the wife when I’m eyeing my next upgrade.
 
It would have cost 10k to get power to my place (never intended to do that, but I asked anyway). I built my initial solar system for about the same amount. Doing so opened up some opportunities for consulting, and that has more than paid for the upgrades done in the mean time.
 
I'm 2.5 years into my approximate 6 year horizon.
Atleast until I expand something...
So far going very good. Looks like the future EU electricity prices is going up so that might shorten the time until I hit 0,-

One huge added bonus IMO: whenever there is a storm the local grid goes down (ofc...) and I stay running as normal due to the battery bank. Don't even notice. Schweet! ;)
 
Really depends on how you allocate costs (it was time to repaint the roof anyway before I put the panels up, so does repainting the roof count against the capital expense of the project?), how you count how much energy you saved (since power is 'free' for some values of sunk costs, using more power doesn't cost any more up to your system limits, so if you use more power at PoCo rates you'll pay the system off earlier, but you wouldn't have used that power at PoCo rates), how you count power quality and grid-down issues (which is probably not linear, a 10-minute outage and a 10-day outage would have different 'cost savings' per unit of time), plus the avoided costs of other hobbies you might have pursued (cars, boats, travel, collecting, ham radio, SCUBA diving, flying, there are some seriously expensive hobbies out there).

If you are a company putting up an array to sell power to the grid you can simplify costs (dollars per watt installed over expected lifetime against grid wholesale power sales, maintenance, and time value of money), but in our DIY world things are very different. If your only focus is economic return, there's probably a better investment.
 
I calculated 7 years for payoff on my grid tied system. I'm at 4 years old and I might get there a little early. I got lucky and got in on 1:1 net metering, which is changing to 2:1 next year in Illinois. Without 1:1 net metering I wouldn't have installed it given my age.
 
Off grid system here. My system may never pay for itself but that is not why I installed it. I wanted autonomy from the grid because our grid infrastructure is a soft target and could go down for an extended time for any number of reasons. Regarding payback, I got the 30% tax credit and because my office building is 40% of my total sq. footage I can depreciate 40% of the cost over 5 years. Most likely an 8 yr payback, less if the utility rate keeps increasing.
 
My rough estimate was 10 years. My first power bill was almost $540 cheaper than the same time the previous year so if I keep that up, it should go quickly.
 
Greetings.
Took me 36 months for my grid tied solar production to equate the cost of all (installed myself) and the amount the utility company did not bill me.

A good day making 30KWh; a bad day 10KWh. How long took it for yours to amortize ?
What is your current average electric charge per kWh from your utility and how are they handling the net metering? I have a similar system as you do, but my utility rates are about $0.12/kWh and the net metering is real time (Entergy). Therefore, I'm utilizing about ~50% of the solar that offsets my loads on average for the year and ~50% is excess that is credited to my account at ~$0.03/kWh (down from ~$0.05/kWh last year). In Texas, we have so much solar and wind generated that I don't see the buy back rate going back up. So I'm looking at about a 10 year payout (sooner if base rates go up). For a 3 year breakeven, I'm guessing your utility rates are likely about twice that of mine and your net metering agreement allows for a full credit for all of your solar.
 
If my bill was $540 cheaper than the previous month, the utility would be paying me $400!

If I’m over $200/month I start opening breakers and I telling the wife she needs to use a clothes line to dry laundry (I tell her but she never listens and complies!)
 
I average 40-65kwh a day. Largest peak I've seen is 91kwh. (All electric house except for a 2nd stage propane furnace.) I had an emporia setup and tried to find the source of it and the closest thing I could see is that it was my water heater. (Which is brand new. ) All my lights are LED, etc. We have a pool and I found that the pool pump uses 1kwh while running so there was 24kwh/day during the summer months. It was running during that first billing period.
 
People still buy electric water heaters that aren’t hybrid heat pumps?
 
Yep, I had an 80 Gal and wanted to replace it with an 80 Gal so I got it done. There are times I wish I would have went that way but it is what it is...
 
Dont tell anyone but they make 80 gal hybrid/heat pump units 😂

Replacing like for like def is easier plumbing wise so I hear ya there.
 
Yep, every time my mother‘s house needed a new hot water heater. It was a crisis because the previous one had failed so they went to the hardware store and picked up an electric hot water heater and got it installed the same day.

I had a solar hot water heater with an electric boost that lasted almost 20 years, I replaced it last summer with a very similar one, and have been fine the last couple weeks, even with the rain and the clouds, I have not had to use the electric boost. hopefully it’s good for another 20 years, and then my kids can deal with it :-)
 
I feel it was worth a grand or two toward my re-coop $$ spent on my system, to have had electricity , hot water, fresh/ frozen food after the hurricane last month… at least 3 weeks of easy living and not getting bitched out…

Not a soul near me even had a generator , solar ..or even reserve water access the whole time..

I am amazed at city folks who come out here in the hills , build a big place to survive and homestead and don’t have anything to survive with..

???? …J.
 
I put about $11k into my system. Used panels, inverters. Free (my) labor. 6kw of solar. 30kwh of battery. 11kw of inverters. I pay $1.08/KWH (california), and use about 10kwh per day. So, I think it's a 6 year payback period, maybe a bit more since I need to switch to grid after a few cloudy winter days.
 
I put about $11k into my system. Used panels, inverters. Free (my) labor. 6kw of solar. 30kwh of battery. 11kw of inverters. I pay $1.08/KWH (california), and use about 10kwh per day. So, I think it's a 6 year payback period, maybe a bit more since I need to switch to grid after a few cloudy winter days.

Damn… I’m assuming 1.08 per kWh is NOT a typo .. never heard of that much money for electricity…
I’m a .12 - .15 cents per kilowatt hour… and I bitch when I use a lot… and get a big bill,

With that said you can get to the break even point about 7 times earlier than me..I’m envious…

Why in the world would they charge people that much … whose on the take out there.…?

Are they gambling the money away.. drinking too much ..using drugs…lots of women…?
somthin is wrong if that’s what they charge…

My condolences … glad you have a good system…I would say yer one of the lucky ones.

👍….J.
 
Yeah I pay $0.54 per kilowatt hour produced by PG&E that I consume and another 54 cents per kilowatt hour as delivery fee. I see this as a dollar and eight cents per kilowatt hour.
 
Yeah I pay $0.54 per kilowatt hour produced by PG&E that I consume and another 54 cents per kilowatt hour as delivery fee. I see this as a dollar and eight cents per kilowatt hour.
What the hell is a delivery fee on electricity.. the amount they charge to send it at the speed of light through the wires to your house…. ???
 
I'm running a 14.9yr return for my off-grid (large, DIY) system as of today. Part of this slow return has been the steady 11c/kwh power company rate until the last 12mons where it's grown to 16c/kwh.

However, for me, it was never about ROI but rather a hobby to gain self-sufficiency :)
 
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