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Batteries are being overcharged by All-in-one Inverter

That's an SRNE ASF 10KW.
Forget communications.
Setting 08 to USER.
Setting 32 to SLA.
Use voltages mentioned above from others for your bulk and float. Leave equalization disabled, don't touch it.

Or connect to your BMS and alter the overly aggressive charging parameters.

I have over 2 MWh through my ASF with 1 random fault that hasn't came back. Contact SRNE directly for support if you need it.

Im having a multiple issues w my inverter. ill start w the issue of my inverter overcharging my batteries. it will fully charge the batteries then get the voltage over 60 i believe disconnect and cycle like that until i kill the solar. this only happens w solar. if i use my generator itll just get them to 100% and then stop charging them. my batteries and inverter are bmsed. im not sure how to fix this. ive attempted to reach out to the manufacturer but they are awful w customer service.

Generator:
Generac Guardian 24kw

Inverter:
PowMr 10KW 110/240Vac 48Vdc Hybird Inverter Charger

3 LiFePo Batteries:
CloudEnergy 51.2V 150ah

10 Solar Panels:
4000w of 400w Qcells in series
Datasheet:
 
That's an SRNE ASF 10KW.
Forget communications.
Setting 08 to USER.
Setting 32 to SLA.
Use voltages mentioned above from others for your bulk and float. Leave equalization disabled, don't touch it.

Or connect to your BMS and alter the overly aggressive charging parameters.

I have over 2 MWh through my ASF with 1 random fault that hasn't came back. Contact SRNE directly for support if you need it.
Will try thank you
 
You are probably fine charging with the generator because the grid charging amperage is set lower than the solar charging amperage, your batteries are out of balance and cells are running causing the BMS to disconnect, regardless the BMS is programmed to charge to aggressively.
 
What should i set the bulk charging delay at? I have 3 150ah batteries if that matters.
I have mine set at 90 minutes. I'm also using automations in Solar Assistant to reduce charging current as my packs get full.
I'd strongly advise Solar Assistant if you don't have it already. I never even took the wifi dongle out of the box for factory communications back home to china through a crappy app or software.
 
You are probably fine charging with the generator because the grid charging amperage is set lower than the solar charging amperage, your batteries are out of balance and cells are running causing the BMS to disconnect, regardless the BMS is programmed to charge to aggressively.
My generator runs at 120 at around 120amps going in to my batteries. My solar run at 384v w maybe 50 at best going in
 
I have mine set at 90 minutes. I'm also using automations in Solar Assistant to reduce charging current as my packs get full.
I'd strongly advise Solar Assistant if you don't have it already. I never even took the wifi dongle out of the box for factory communications back home to china through a crappy app or software.
What does solar assistant do exactly. Aleo what would u set the batter full recharge voltage point to
 
My generator runs at 120 at around 120amps going in to my batteries. My solar run at 384v w maybe 50 at best going in
Hmm. There goes my idea lol.
What does solar assistant do exactly.
Let's you monitor your system in near real time, charts data, allows you to change basic parameters.

Aleo what would u set the batter full recharge voltage point to
Somewhere around 53.5V.
This is when charging will kick back in after they have already reached full.

All my settings are here. They've been tweaked a bit since but will still work fine.
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Are you using closed loop (BMS to Inverter communications)?
Looking at your video (you don't pause long enough on some settings) it appears you selected "CAN" for the "RS485 Communications" (menu item #32) and "UZE" (menu item #33) for the "BMS Communications".

Just looking at the information your provided in the various product manuals (excellent, always helps) it does appear (although I don't know for sure) that your batteries are very much like SOK and SunGoldPower rack mounted batteries.

The SOK and SGP batteries use the "Pylontech" protocol when communicating with the inverter.

I assume you have the Inverter connected to the "RS485-ICAN port (left jack, not the right of the jack pair) and all the batteries are daisy chained on the RS485-2 ports (either jack to either jack).

If the above is true, try selecting "485" for menu item #32 and "PYL" for menu item #33.

When you select "L16" for menu item #8 the firmware simply applies default settings for battery charging.
If BMS communications exist the BMS will override #9 and #11 (and some others). If BMS communications fails (i.e. the cable is disconnected) the firmware will revert to the default #9 and #11

I am not familiar with your batteries so I do not know for certain what I have just described will work for you. It won't hurt to give it a try. By selecting "485" and "PYL" the worst that can happen is you get a BMS Communications fault, just go back to your original settings.
 
Update - Ah crap didn't see it had already progressed that far and can't find where to delete a post.

Tagging @42OhmsPA for input as the PowMR 10K is just a rebrand of his SRNE.
 
Are you using closed loop (BMS to Inverter communications)?
Looking at your video (you don't pause long enough on some settings) it appears you selected "CAN" for the "RS485 Communications" (menu item #32) and "UZE" (menu item #33) for the "BMS Communications".

Just looking at the information your provided in the various product manuals (excellent, always helps) it does appear (although I don't know for sure) that your batteries are very much like SOK and SunGoldPower rack mounted batteries.

The SOK and SGP batteries use the "Pylontech" protocol when communicating with the inverter.

I assume you have the Inverter connected to the "RS485-ICAN port (left jack, not the right of the jack pair) and all the batteries are daisy chained on the RS485-2 ports (either jack to either jack).

If the above is true, try selecting "485" for menu item #32 and "PYL" for menu item #33.

When you select "L16" for menu item #8 the firmware simply applies default settings for battery charging.
If BMS communications exist the BMS will override #9 and #11 (and some others). If BMS communications fails (i.e. the cable is disconnected) the firmware will revert to the default #9 and #11

I am not familiar with your batteries so I do not know for certain what I have just described will work for you. It won't hurt to give it a try. By selecting "485" and "PYL" the worst that can happen is you get a BMS Communications fault, just go back to your original settings.
First I went fast assuming the video could b paused. Now i know otherwise. Kinda weird. My bms is disabled right now. I believe it was on sla. I had a lot of issues getting the bms to even b recognized on my inverter. Ultimately i had to set my batteries in pylon and used CAN and UZE. The only part of the bms that made any sense here was i had to use the Can/485 port. I tried using the pylon setting on both 485 and can and i would get a error.
 
Update - Ah crap didn't see it had already progressed that far and can't find where to delete a post.

Tagging @42OhmsPA for input as the PowMR 10K is just a rebrand of his SRNE.

Hmm. There goes my idea lol.

Let's you monitor your system in near real time, charts data, allows you to change basic parameters.


Somewhere around 53.5V.
This is when charging will kick back in after they have already reached full.

All my settings are here. They've been tweaked a bit since but will still work fine.
Post in thread '2 Mwh SRNE ASF48100U200-H 10kw.' https://diysolarforum.com/threads/2-mwh-srne-asf48100u200-h-10kw.67809/post-905676
Also do you know if each pv jnput can handle the 500v 22amps? I have 10 400w q cells in series about to add 10 more in parallel to that (would b more happy about that if it would stop over charging via solar but its kinda needed) the v and a at mpp would b 371.3v and 21.54. That setup would just get me incredibly close to the amps max (in a open circuit setting) on one of the pv inputs im just wondering if adding more was possible on the other pv input
 
Also do you know if each pv jnput can handle the 500v 22amps? I have 10 400w q cells in series about to add 10 more in parallel to that (would b more happy about that if it would stop over charging via solar but its kinda needed) the v and a at mpp would b 371.3v and 21.54. That setup would just get me incredibly close to the amps max (in a open circuit setting) on one of the pv inputs im just wondering if adding more was possible on the other pv input
Yes. Each one is 22A and 500V.
What's the VOC of your panels?


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Can you provide a picture of your battery stack that clearly shows the cabling between the batteries and the dip switch settings.
In addition what are the battery addresses? Normally the inverter wants to talk to the battery with address 1.
For most batteries address 1 places that battery into host/master mode which in turn supports a very specific inverter to battery communication sequence and the inverter needs to be connected to this battery.

For Open Loop setup:
Disconnect the Battery BMS cable to ensure there is no BMS Communications.
Set RS485 Communications Menu Item # 32 to SLA

Set Battery Type Menu #8 to L16 then:
Record the L16 settings for:
【15】<【12】<【04】<【14】<【35】<【37】<【05】<【09】=【11】

Set Battery Type (Menu Item #8) to User and then set in particular menu items #9 and #11 to something closer to 54.5 to 55.2

Menu item #7 Battery Charging Current and Menu item #28 Max Utility Charging Current also affect battery charging with #7 being driven by BMS communications and this may be why generator charging if different than PV Array charging.

As always you can operate in open loop (no BMS communications), set your battery type to user and then adjust the battery charging parameters to prevent overcharging.

In the end it would be nice to have the inverter correctly talking to the batteries so you can decide to use open or closed loop. Just need to figure out why the BMS to Inverter communications are not working.

Have you downloaded the "MJBDTools V2.B-20230720.exe" from the cloudnewenergy.com website and are you able to view each battery with the software. This will tell you what the BMS is using for Cell Over Voltage Alarm (OV) and Cell Over Voltage Protection (OVP) as well as Pack Over Voltage Protection (PACK OVP).

The charts you posted, are they from Solar Assistant, and if so how is it communicating with the batteries and the inverter.
 
Tried what u said. Still over charging without bms. Ive told it to not charge it to 59.9v (56.4v is what i told it to do to b exact) and it still does it. So maybe now u could offer some advice rather then read the manual or contact the manufacture because powmr is garbage. Ill include a video as well
My gen1 (round) screen srne10k overcharged like this sometimes also, didn’t matter if comms were enabled or what inverter settings were, my batts would eventually disconnect. This would happen more often when I had alot of PV coming in and not much load. I added more circuits to my solar panel ( I put every ceiling fan in house on the solar circuit and left them on all day) I also added several other inductive (coil magnet) loads like my wife’s backyard garden waterfall pump, it use to be on a timer, I just let it run all day. After I put more loads on the inverter it got better about throttling down all the pv power coming in. It’s almost like it couldn’t find anywhere to dump the power so it was over dumping into the batts. That gen1 eventually had a board failure tho, this gen2 doesn’t do that. I hated that round screen srne10k.

Put more load on the inverter and see if it keeps “leaking” so aggressively to batts

That’s the only way I could stop mine was by loading it up more during peak hours

Do you hear the machine “whine” sometimes? Like capacitors singing abit, a very high frequency? Almost like you can’t hear it? Mine started doing that before the power board went
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Can you provide a picture of your battery stack that clearly shows the cabling between the batteries and the dip switch settings.
In addition what are the battery addresses? Normally the inverter wants to talk to the battery with address 1.
For most batteries address 1 places that battery into host/master mode which in turn supports a very specific inverter to battery communication sequence and the inverter needs to be connected to this battery.

For Open Loop setup:
Disconnect the Battery BMS cable to ensure there is no BMS Communications.
Set RS485 Communications Menu Item # 32 to SLA

Set Battery Type Menu #8 to L16 then:
Record the L16 settings for:
【15】<【12】<【04】<【14】<【35】<【37】<【05】<【09】=【11】

Set Battery Type (Menu Item #8) to User and then set in particular menu items #9 and #11 to something closer to 54.5 to 55.2

Menu item #7 Battery Charging Current and Menu item #28 Max Utility Charging Current also affect battery charging with #7 being driven by BMS communications and this may be why generator charging if different than PV Array charging.

As always you can operate in open loop (no BMS communications), set your battery type to user and then adjust the battery charging parameters to prevent overcharging.

In the end it would be nice to have the inverter correctly talking to the batteries so you can decide to use open or closed loop. Just need to figure out why the BMS to Inverter communications are not working.

Have you downloaded the "MJBDTools V2.B-20230720.exe" from the cloudnewenergy.com website and are you able to view each battery with the software. This will tell you what the BMS is using for Cell Over Voltage Alarm (OV) and Cell Over Voltage Protection (OVP) as well as Pack Over Voltage Protection (PACK OVP).

The charts you posted, are they from Solar Assistant, and if so how is it communicating with the batteries and the inverter.
Ill take a picture later on as im not home right now. I do have that software and it communicated fine. I dont believe its a bms or settings problem since even without the bms it would still overcharge even if i set the absorb and bulk at 55 it would still go past to 59.9
 
My gen1 (round) screen srne10k overcharged like this sometimes also, didn’t matter if comms were enabled or what inverter settings were, my batts would eventually disconnect. This would happen more often when I had alot of PV coming in and not much load. I added more circuits to my solar panel ( I put every ceiling fan in house on the solar circuit and left them on all day) I also added several other inductive (coil magnet) loads like my wife’s backyard garden waterfall pump, it use to be on a timer, I just let it run all day. After I put more loads on the inverter it got better about throttling down all the pv power coming in. It’s almost like it couldn’t find anywhere to dump the power so it was over dumping into the batts. That gen1 eventually had a board failure tho, this gen2 doesn’t do that. I hated that round screen srne10k.

Put more load on the inverter and see if it keeps “leaking” so aggressively to batts

That’s the only way I could stop mine was by loading it up more during peak hours

Do you hear the machine “whine” sometimes? Like capacitors singing abit, a very high frequency? Almost like you can’t hear it? Mine started doing that before the power board went
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Have u had to put the extra loads on the new inverter? To me it just seems like a bad onboard mppt which just has no idea what to do with the excess power.
 

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