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Best Hybrid (All In One) Inverter, But Don't Want Net Metering

thesillym

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I'm looking for recommendations for a new hybrid inverter for my 12kw of solar panels. I plan on buying 15-30kw of LifePO4 batteries and do not want to backfeed the grid (net metering). The Sol-Ark 12k looks great, but is quite expensive. Is there are better value than the EG4 8kW Hybrid Inverter? I'm not opposed to a lesser known Chinese brand, but would prefer something with better support for issues if they arise. Not after the cheapest, just best value. Thanks in advance :)
 
why an hybrid if you dont want net metering ?
a grid supported seems to fit your requirements perfectly and certainly are more affordable
 
I didn't know there was such an inverter. I basically want to use the grid for backup if my solar/batteries don't meet our needs.
basically most growatt, eg4 and mpp solar are grid assisted.
what you do need to find out before purchasing anything is power usuage for your home, otherwise you'll do a misbuy anyway.
step 1 is doing a power audit
 
basically most growatt, eg4 and mpp solar are grid assisted.
what you do need to find out before purchasing anything is power usuage for your home, otherwise you'll do a misbuy anyway.
step 1 is doing a power audit
My power bill shows a monthly usage of 1000kw to 2400kw depending on the month. I currently have 12kw of solar panels, but I am considering installing another 12kw for a total of 24kw.
 
My power bill shows a monthly usage of 1000kw to 2400kw depending on the month. I currently have 12kw of solar panels, but I am considering installing another 12kw for a total of 24kw.
that is not a power audit.
that is monthly usage.
you need to know you peak power usage.
e.g. some ac's motors put a short 10 time their rated power power peek on your demand.
for the grid this wont be a problem, but inverters are rated by their maximum kw's, and especially grid assisted/off grid inverters do not handle those short peek particularly well
 
Blurb time!

Well, I'll start the default answer to these questions and we can work from there. Here's you To-Do list:

1: Power audit! This will give you some important information on how big your inverter needs to be as well as how much battery capacity you'll need. There is a link in the FAQ section (I think, or someone here will post it shortly) so fill in the blanks and see what it comes up with. You'll probably need some sort of Kill-A-Watt to get accurate measurements. Are you going to be running a 12v system? 24v system? 48v system? What are the specs on your solar panels? VoC? Vmp? Being as this is a new build, throw together a wish list of what you want and estimate on the high side.

1a: Where do you live? Speccing out a system for Scotland is a LOT different numbers than Arizona due to the amount of light you actually get. Someone here can post the link to the PVwatts.com or JCR Solar Uber-Sun-Hours calculator sites to help figure out how much you'll have to work with. That will be a box in the Power Audit form.

2: Parts list: You don't need a make & model list, just a parts list to start from for reference. You'll need an inverter, a MPPT charge controller, fuses, shunt, buck converter, batteries, wire, etc. Once you have a basic list it can be fine tuned to make & models after that. If you're looking at the All-In-Ones check for correct voltage outputs (120v or 240v Split Phase for North America, 220v Single Phase for European type areas) and make sure it has enough capacity for a little bit of growth and fudge factor.

3: Budget!: Steak is great but doesn't mean anything if your wallet says hamburger. :) Figure out what you're able to spend now vs what you'll have to cheap out on now and upgrade later.

4: Tape measure! Figure out where you're going to stick all the stuff you'll need. A dozen 3000AH batteries sounds great until you're sleeping on the floor because there's no room left for a bed. Is there a compartment that can house all this stuff? Will the server rack batteries fit? Are you going to have to make space? Physics can be pretty unforgiving.

5: Pencil out what you think you need and throw it at us so we can tell you what you've missed (because we ALL miss stuff the first go-round :) ) and help figure out which parts and pieces you're going to want to get.

Well that's the thing about solar systems, there is no 1-Size-Fits-All answer. Your system will need to be designed to fit YOUR needs. When you design and built the system, it's not going to be the perfect system for me, or Will or 12vInstall or anyone else, but it Will be the right system for You and that's the goal.

As for where to get started, let me throw my standard blurb in here to help point you in the right direction. There's going to be a lot of math and research involved, but that's going to be a LOT cheaper than just buying parts off of someone's list and finding out that it doesn't do what you need.

Don't panic on the Power Audit, you'll actually be doing that a few times. When you do the first pass put in ALL the Things that you might want. AirCon? Sure. Jacuzzi? Why not. MargaritaMaster-9000? Go for it.

The second pass will be the "I Absolutely Need This To Survive" list that isn't going to have much on there.

The third pass will be the "This is what is realistic" audit that you'll use to design the rest of the system.

The Power Audit is going to tell you 3 primary things: 1: How big does your inverter need to be to power your loads? 2: How much battery bank do you need to last $N number of days with krappy weather? and 3: How much solar panel will I need to install to refill those batteries in a 4 hour day (the average usable sun hours rule-of-thumb).

Once you know what you Want and what you Need and what your budget can Afford there will be somewhere in that Venn diagram where those three things meet.

After that, THEN you can start looking at parts.

Yes, it's a long drawn out process, but it's worth it in the end. Not every house has the exact same floorplan, not every vehicle is the same make & model, and not every solar system is designed the same.
 
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