Canadian Server Rack Battery Deals

[intheheartofit]

Anyone seeing anything for deals on Canadian/Chinese shipped to Canada server rack batteries? I see Eco-Worthy as the best deal right now at $1359/battery. I had my eye on AOLithium ones last Black Friday, but figured I could go another year on my Surrettes. Time is fast approaching to change over though and I'm scoping out the field. I'm hoping I can make it till Black Friday if there's no decent deals now, but definitely lacking capacity. Anyone see anything of interest out there?

 

[E. Cho]

You don't give enough specs of your Eco-Worthy $1359 "deal" to offer comparisons and you don't mention if that is USD or CDN dollars.

I recently bought 2 - 16S DIY boxes and 16 - 314 AH EVE cells from Luyuan, which in all my looking, was the best bang for my buck AND was a trusted supplier, as I had dealt with them before, as have many on this forum. They are perfectly functional boxes, good quality EVE cell products that I have been very happy with for my 2 - 8S batteries. I am still waiting for my latest shipment, which hopefully will arrive in the next 1-2 weeks.

The Luyuan DIY kits were still several hundred dollars less than pre-built, but pre-built were still not a bad price from a known quality and seller. The main thing is finding a trusted seller of quality cells, because with pre-built batteries, you have no idea what cells are actually being used vs. marketed, nor their history, storage, matching, age, etc.. With Luyuan, they are busy enough that their cells are all pretty fresh and matched and no negative users that I've found.

There were one or 2 minimally lower priced suppliers "sometimes" but their prices varied too much every few days and I did not trust their battery cell quality as much as there were just not enough forum impressions. Brands like Hakadi, Yixiang (had more users but a few negative experiences), Apexium, Docan, Gobelpower, Eel and others were just more expensive for dubious benefits and quite a few mixed or bad reviews.

DIY is lower cost but a few tools are required. For pre-built, Luyuan to me is a quality supplier, with decent functional quality boxes and no BS. I have watched many reviewers of batteries from the likes of Gobelpower, Yixiang, Eel, Seplos, Basen-Green, Qishou, Apexium and others and they all have their pros and cons and are all more or much more expensive than Luyuan but the others maybe have one or two bells and whistles, which in my experience are not worth, to me, the extra cost for function vs fashion.

Sadly other options already in Canada are 2-4x or more in price.

By the way, you can not go 100% off the Seller Alibaba web page for pricing, or at least not for DPP shipping. You must always contact the seller directly via an Alibaba account or WhatsApp contact info from their website for exact location DPP shipping costs.

 

[davros]

That seems to ecoworthy 100Ah server rack direct from their website and in $CDN

 

[intheheartofit]

You don't give enough specs of your Eco-Worthy $1359 "deal" to offer comparisons and you don't mention if that is USD or CDN dollars.

I recently bought 2 - 16S DIY boxes and 16 - 314 AH EVE cells from Luyuan, which in all my looking, was the best bang for my buck AND was a trusted supplier, as I had dealt with them before, as have many on this forum. They are perfectly functional boxes, good quality EVE cell products that I have been very happy with for my 2 - 8S batteries. I am still waiting for my latest shipment, which hopefully will arrive in the next 1-2 weeks.

The Luyuan DIY kits were still several hundred dollars less than pre-built, but pre-built were still not a bad price from a known quality and seller. The main thing is finding a trusted seller of quality cells, because with pre-built batteries, you have no idea what cells are actually being used vs. marketed, nor their history, storage, matching, age, etc.. With Luyuan, they are busy enough that their cells are all pretty fresh and matched and no negative users that I've found.

There were one or 2 minimally lower priced suppliers "sometimes" but their prices varied too much every few days and I did not trust their battery cell quality as much as there were just not enough forum impressions. Brands like Hakadi, Yixiang (had more users but a few negative experiences), Apexium, Docan, Gobelpower, Eel and others were just more expensive for dubious benefits and quite a few mixed or bad reviews.

DIY is lower cost but a few tools are required. For pre-built, Luyuan to me is a quality supplier, with decent functional quality boxes and no BS. I have watched many reviewers of batteries from the likes of Gobelpower, Yixiang, Eel, Seplos, Basen-Green, Qishou, Apexium and others and they all have their pros and cons and are all more or much more expensive than Luyuan but the others maybe have one or two bells and whistles, which in my experience are not worth, to me, the extra cost for function vs fashion.

Sadly other options already in Canada are 2-4x or more in price.

By the way, you can not go 100% off the Seller Alibaba web page for pricing, or at least not for DPP shipping. You must always contact the seller directly via an Alibaba account or WhatsApp contact info from their website for exact location DPP shipping costs.

Oh nice, I'll look into Luyuan. For the price of batteries I'd probably go with pre-built since they look nicer and would be all setup though you have peaked my curiosity about building my own so I'll look into. As noted above yes it was your typical server rack of 5.12KWH/48v @100AH and in Canadian.

 

[jgriffin]

I kept seeing wattcycle server racks between $1000 and $1100, but just looked and they’re sold out. I would have opted for the Eco-Worthy V3’s regardless.

I’ve only recently made small purchases from Aliexpress with decent luck (home automation sensors), so I’m getting to the point I’m less hesitant to order from China, but would have to nail a good supplier before pulling the trigger.

I feel like if 2 or 3 server rack batteries is about minimum amount of autonomy for a week or so of our grey, sunless, Canadian winters, might just go the 14-16 kw route with the one battery.

Either option is a lot better than 12 battleborns.

 

[intheheartofit]

Ok, I went down the rabbithole of DIY and it's really not that bad! I see you can buy the boxes and BMS and have the same setup. Seems a reasonable price though I'll have to check the shipping. Do you remember what you paid to get those batteries shipped to you?

There appeared to be some CATL batteries that were best reviewed on Ali as well for half the price, with US and EU stock, not sure how those would do and what the difference would be other than a few AH https://www.alibaba.com/product-det...pm=a27aq.29918103.4207392620.2.191350dfRBjKuF

 

[intheheartofit]

I kept seeing wattcycle server racks between $1000 and $1100, but just looked and they’re sold out. I would have opted for the Eco-Worthy V3’s regardless.

I’ve only recently made small purchases from Aliexpress with decent luck (home automation sensors), so I’m getting to the point I’m less hesitant to order from China, but would have to nail a good supplier before pulling the trigger.

I feel like if 2 or 3 server rack batteries is about minimum amount of autonomy for a week or so of our grey, sunless, Canadian winters, might just go the 14-16 kw route with the one battery.

Either option is a lot better than 12 battleborns.

Yeah I've been looking at AliExpress, but the main Alibaba site might actually be better for options now that I've seen it. I'll keep an eye on the Wattcycle and see as well.

 

[jgriffin]

Yeah I've been looking at AliExpress, but the main Alibaba site might actually be better for options now that I've seen it. I'll keep an eye on the Wattcycle and see as well.

They are actually still showing available on cdn ebay. But I did see the Eco-Worthy ones for very similar price during Prime Days. But it does get me thinking if they might have been V2s at that point.

And yea, does seem like Alibaba is the way to go vs Aliexpress. I’m basically just trying to keep a transfer switch that I’ll flip over to “gen” majority of the time with refrigerator, freezer, some light loads and well pump on it. So I’m gotta go with a decently large size split phase High Frequency inverter (AIO) to counter some Starting Amps on that well pump. I can’t see a Low Frequency version being as common/available/serviceable to me vs something like an EG4 12000xp. I’m sure a 6000xp can handle it for a bit, but do wonder about longevity on something nearing its limits often on a 1/2 or 3/4 hp pump on startup.

 

[werepuppy]

You don't give enough specs of your Eco-Worthy $1359 "deal" to offer comparisons and you don't mention if that is USD or CDN dollars.

Since the thread title says "server rack" I expect it's Eco-worthy's 100AH server rack battery, which is US$ 869 shipped here in the US. So there's reasonable hope that is CAN$ 1359.

 

[guyst]

Oh nice, I'll look into Luyuan. For the price of batteries I'd probably go with pre-built since they look nicer and would be all setup though you have peaked my curiosity about building my own so I'll look into. As noted above yes it was your typical server rack of 5.12KWH/48v @100AH and in Canadian.

Amy from Luyuan said their pre-built batteries don't have UN38.3, so they cant ship them. Only cells and components separately.

 

[tennuitas rex]

Any interest in brand new newtipower 12v 300 ah batteries for $300 USD near the Vancouver area?

 

[intheheartofit]

For reference got this Luyuan deal. Batteries were cheap, shipping was almost an extra grand, but hopefully includes any import fees and HST with the DDP.

 

[jgriffin]

For reference got this Luyuan deal. Batteries were cheap, shipping was almost an extra grand, but hopefully includes any import fees and HST with the DDP.

Thanks for that. Not bad at all for that much capacity. I can get by with a single 16s, but could likely sell a 16s kit (once assembled) and get a solid $2500 cdn for it locally.

 

[intheheartofit]

Thanks for that. Not bad at all for that much capacity. I can get by with a single 16s, but could likely sell a 16s kit (once assembled) and get a solid $2500 cdn for it locally.

Yeah just too bad there's no volume discount other than a couple bucks a battery and shipping was double for 16 vs 32.

 

[Partsjockey]

Yeah just too bad there's no volume discount other than a couple bucks a battery and shipping was double for 16 vs 32.

The total usd or cdn money?

 

[intheheartofit]

The total usd or cdn money?

Total with Alibaba fees it was 3600USD so just under 5k CDN

 

[Partsjockey]

Total with Alibaba fees it was 3600USD so just under 5k CDN

Not too bad with the exchange?1?

 

[jgriffin]

Total with Alibaba fees it was 3600USD so just under 5k CDN

I did forget to factor in exchange. lol. Thanks for that! It's still a great deal, and you'll be better off building a larger capacity battery vs parallelling more of them together.

 

[Partsjockey]

I did forget to factor in exchange. lol. Thanks for that! It's still a great deal, and you'll be better off building a larger capacity battery vs parallelling more of them together.

I agree, did you c/c or wire transfer?

 

[intheheartofit]

Yeah I went with c/c for the protection and also my Rogers MasterCard allows basically break-even on the Alibaba fee after the rewards

I agree, did you c/c or wire transfer?

 

[sprdave]

For reference got this Luyuan deal. Batteries were cheap, shipping was almost an extra grand, but hopefully includes any import fees and HST with the DDP.

I've seen your posts about getting batteries. I'm in Ontario, and looking into something similar in the 32-64 cell range.

How have you made out so far? Was the 60 days to arrive accurate? Did you get charged tax upon arrival, or was that covered in the freight costs? Any issues with that process?

Did it come with everything needed, basically ready to connect the inverter/charger?

Thanks (also welcome to DM)

 

[Oldphile]

Anyone seeing anything for deals on Canadian/Chinese shipped to Canada server rack batteries? I see Eco-Worthy as the best deal right now at $1359/battery. I had my eye on AOLithium ones last Black Friday, but figured I could go another year on my Surrettes. Time is fast approaching to change over though and I'm scoping out the field. I'm hoping I can make it till Black Friday if there's no decent deals now, but definitely lacking capacity. Anyone see anything of interest out there?

Where are you in Canada where you don't require a UL9540 ESS?

 

[E. Cho]

I've seen your posts about getting batteries. I'm in Ontario, and looking into something similar in the 32-64 cell range.

How have you made out so far? Was the 60 days to arrive accurate? Did you get charged tax upon arrival, or was that covered in the freight costs? Any issues with that process?

Did it come with everything needed, basically ready to connect the inverter/charger?

Thanks (also welcome to DM)

My order and I was told by the recipient of your post, "inthehearttofit" that his order also arrived before or just before 60 days.

No taxes or any fees on arrival BUT you must choose a price quote from Amy at Luyuan that uses the all inclusive DPP shipping method. UPS did not charge anything on delivery. No issues with the process that I have heard of and none experienced.

FWIW based on my location, I picked up my order on arrival at the nearest city with a UPS depot, as no courier will deliver to my remote location. They won't even try. I have met them at the nearest town gas station a couple of times but not without problems. Picking up at the UPS depot is for me, the safest lowest risk and hassle free, other than 3 hours driving one way. If you get UPS home delivery, then that would be great. But as the cells are heavy, I would want to help unload them as many couriers seem to be ignore Fragile and This Side Up notices on the boxes.

It is a DIY kit, so YOU need to build it but otherwise, if you order cells as well, everything is included to do the biild, other than a Class T fuse for each build and your connection cables and lugs and you would need a crimper and a few other common tools and a multi-meter.

I was told by poster "inthehearttofit" that Amy cannot ship pre-built completed kits to Canada. You would need to ask Amy if that is still the case.I think it was due to the immense weight of a pre built 16S battery, vs the far less weight of 8 boxes of 2 cells and empty metal battery boxes plus the other parts and BMS.

 

[Everhard]

E. Cho - I'm in Ontario, and looking at getting the same batteries - any issues with with ESA? (Feel free to DM me if you prefer) I'm not bothered about lack of certificate as I plan to house inverter/batteris in a separate shed so no impact on the house.

E.

 

[jgriffin]

I don’t know the details at all, but have noticed getting cells is a bit tricky/pricey in Canada in the past.

I see some Wattcycle “used/like new” cells listed. I’d have to guess it’s from some of the Bluetooth ones that were returned, and I didn’t see much of a write up for each different ones available. Anyone interested should do some homework on them before investing too heavily.

I did not do this, as I basically just seen the US site advertising the same thing, with a bit more of a description, and YOLO'd my way into a 48v 100ah and a couple 12v 100ah. I have some decently sized BMS's to reassemble these into one larger pack if need be, and a couple other 12v 100ah "dumb" wattcycle batteries I ordered a few weeks ago.

Best case scenario, I'll get a 48v 200ah pack for $1066($690 all-in for the "cells" and $376 for the 12v 100ah "dumbs"), not factoring in me already having a bms and some equipment/material to work with.

If not, I oddly enough have a 36v inverter from back in the A123 cell days I can make a pack to match it up with. And my tiny solar generator has a pretty wide input voltage as well, so always that. I see the Eco-Flow delta's around $500 still refurbished on ebay.ca


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