GXMnow
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I know I am not the only person using Chevy Bolt battery modules. There have been three Chevy Bolt battery fires and they are now recalling the cars to investigate what is going on. In all 3 cases, the battery was at nearly full charge. Their short term fix is limiting the car to only charge to 90% capacity. Here is one article about what is going on.
In my system, I was charging to 57.8 volts. 58.8 volts would be a full charge of 4.2 per cell. I figured that was just over 90%. To play it safe, I backed it down to just 57 volts even. That works out to 4.071 volts per cell. Well short of the 4.2 volt full charge. In 3 months of cycling every day, no cell has even gotten warm to the touch. My currents have not been exceeding 40 amps with 2 banks in parallel. I am not at all concerned about the battery bank being a fire hazard, but I am making sure to follow any reports to see what they do find. Keeping the cell voltage a little lower is just being prudent. The charge and discharge currents that they are using in the cars is many times higher than we run using them for solar storage. If this turns out to be like the Samsung phone batteries or the Sony laptop cells, I don't think we have a worry with our use case. Those were cases where the rapid manufacture was leaving rough edges and debris inside the cells. Motion, shock, and high current cycling was cutting through the insulator and causing internal shorts. Sitting still in my garage, while charging and discharging at slow rates should not push a cell to this kind of failure mode. Sitting on or dropping a fast charged cell phone, or dropping your laptop is far more stress, let alone a DC fast charge cycle and hitting a curb in an EV. We should get a definitive answer fairly soon as they inspect the recalled vehicle packs.
I am hoping they find something stupid that is not directly related to the cells, but I will always keep a close eye on my pack. Maybe they will find the cars that caught fire had an stray bolt clamped under a battery module?? If it ever does start to get hot, I can have it unplugged and rolled out of my garage in under a minute. I did inspect my modules pretty close. The outside had no serious damage. Only one small dent in one of the aluminum plates and a bent buss bar. Nothing close to intruding on the pouch cells. But I did not separate the cells to see if anything may have been caught between cells.
This news does not make me fear these cells. But keeping the full charge voltage a little lower until they fond the real cause of the fires is just being prudent. I will always monitor them pretty close and treat them gently. I suggest anyone else using the LG Chem Chevy Bolt packs to also lower the full charge voltage to less than 90% until we know more. I found some good graphs talking specifically about NMC cells and their rather odd SOC to voltage curve. They are pretty flat from 20% up to 55% charge, only climbing from 3.51 volts to 3.67 volts. The voltage then starts to climb a bit faster. At 90%, where Chevy is telling us to stop, the voltage is up to 4.11 volts. That works out to 57.54 volts for a 14S pack like mine. I was running up to 57.8 volts. Dropping it to just 57 flat should be more than enough margin for calibration error. Based on this graph, that puts me at 85% charge. The lowest I have been running my pack is down to about 50 volts even. That is 3.57 volts per cell during discharge at 30 amps. That is right about the 40% SOC point on this graph. A bit lower than I was expecting. Most days stay above that. In the data logs from the Schneider XW-Pro, I can clearly see the curve where the voltage change slows down. I typically just dip below that. That curve appears to happen at about 55% charge.
As always, be safe.
GM Expands Major Chevy Bolt EV Recall, Adds Bolt EUV, over Battery Fire Risk
General Motors says all 2019–2022 model year Bolt EV and EUV vehicles are now being recalled because of one and, in some cases, two defects in the battery cells that could lead to fire.
www.caranddriver.com
In my system, I was charging to 57.8 volts. 58.8 volts would be a full charge of 4.2 per cell. I figured that was just over 90%. To play it safe, I backed it down to just 57 volts even. That works out to 4.071 volts per cell. Well short of the 4.2 volt full charge. In 3 months of cycling every day, no cell has even gotten warm to the touch. My currents have not been exceeding 40 amps with 2 banks in parallel. I am not at all concerned about the battery bank being a fire hazard, but I am making sure to follow any reports to see what they do find. Keeping the cell voltage a little lower is just being prudent. The charge and discharge currents that they are using in the cars is many times higher than we run using them for solar storage. If this turns out to be like the Samsung phone batteries or the Sony laptop cells, I don't think we have a worry with our use case. Those were cases where the rapid manufacture was leaving rough edges and debris inside the cells. Motion, shock, and high current cycling was cutting through the insulator and causing internal shorts. Sitting still in my garage, while charging and discharging at slow rates should not push a cell to this kind of failure mode. Sitting on or dropping a fast charged cell phone, or dropping your laptop is far more stress, let alone a DC fast charge cycle and hitting a curb in an EV. We should get a definitive answer fairly soon as they inspect the recalled vehicle packs.
I am hoping they find something stupid that is not directly related to the cells, but I will always keep a close eye on my pack. Maybe they will find the cars that caught fire had an stray bolt clamped under a battery module?? If it ever does start to get hot, I can have it unplugged and rolled out of my garage in under a minute. I did inspect my modules pretty close. The outside had no serious damage. Only one small dent in one of the aluminum plates and a bent buss bar. Nothing close to intruding on the pouch cells. But I did not separate the cells to see if anything may have been caught between cells.
This news does not make me fear these cells. But keeping the full charge voltage a little lower until they fond the real cause of the fires is just being prudent. I will always monitor them pretty close and treat them gently. I suggest anyone else using the LG Chem Chevy Bolt packs to also lower the full charge voltage to less than 90% until we know more. I found some good graphs talking specifically about NMC cells and their rather odd SOC to voltage curve. They are pretty flat from 20% up to 55% charge, only climbing from 3.51 volts to 3.67 volts. The voltage then starts to climb a bit faster. At 90%, where Chevy is telling us to stop, the voltage is up to 4.11 volts. That works out to 57.54 volts for a 14S pack like mine. I was running up to 57.8 volts. Dropping it to just 57 flat should be more than enough margin for calibration error. Based on this graph, that puts me at 85% charge. The lowest I have been running my pack is down to about 50 volts even. That is 3.57 volts per cell during discharge at 30 amps. That is right about the 40% SOC point on this graph. A bit lower than I was expecting. Most days stay above that. In the data logs from the Schneider XW-Pro, I can clearly see the curve where the voltage change slows down. I typically just dip below that. That curve appears to happen at about 55% charge.
As always, be safe.