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CHINA kills all non Sol-Ark branded DEYE unit in the USA this morning.

740GLE said:
How is a unit inside you’re home an attack on the grid?
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with enough units going on or off of the grid in a controlled fashion then it could cause the grid to become unstable and then go down. real easy way for the government to mitigate this is to make it illegal to hook up any Chinese controlled power device onto the grid. thats a quick way to bankrupt Solark or EG4 or any company that brings that gear in. and yes the government could do that... they outlawed hemp over pulp wood concerns but claimed it was due to health and sanity concerns.
 
timselectric said:
But Deye should not be punishing the end users. Their issue is with the distributors, selling across regional borders.
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Exactly. Deye should be fining the distributors that "distributed" those serial numbers directly. The end user shouldn't be messed with by Deye. Maybe they can sue in small claims court. I doubt Deye will show up. :unsure:
 
Daddy Tanuki said:
with enough units going on or off of the grid in a controlled fashion then it could cause the grid to become unstable and then go down. real easy way for the government to mitigate this is to make it illegal to hook up any Chinese controlled power device onto the grid. thats a quick way to bankrupt Solark or EG4 or any company that brings that gear in. and yes the government could do that... they outlawed hemp over pulp wood concerns but claimed it was due to health and sanity concerns.
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EG4 could work around that “easily“ by rebuilding the firmware and rewriting the cloud stuff. They should do that anyway, but I understand it’s non-trivial.

#SimpleMatterOfProgramming
 
However you slice it, or attack the various messengers, it all comes down to being a pretty lousy thing to do disabling folks AIO's. So if it was Deye's doing than they should shoulder the blame. If it was So-Arks doing than they should be held to account. Rather than disabling immediately perhaps a notice that due to exclusive rights no updates or warranty service would be done for these units.
 
kolek said:
The challenge is how to get a VPN-protected hotspot. Was talking to a friend about this.

His recommendation was trying one of these $30 routers on Amazon which he said can generate a VPN-protected WiFi access point.

GL-MT300N-V2
GL-AR300M16

Choose a non-U.S. based IP, maybe Mexico, any country where you're sure Deye is legal. When the Deye connects to the non-US IP, it MAY automatically unbrick itself. That would be the best case scenario. Obviously depends on how Deye set things up.

If if it doesn't automatically unbrick, then make sure Deye is connected to your non-U.S. ip and contact Deye and ask for the unlock code.

"Sí, sí, este es Pancho Gonzales en México."

No guarantees, but this might be the first thing to try.
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Most cell phones have a hotspot feature (I have T-Mo, & it's included for free)...
... and Norton 360 A/V (mobile) has built in VPN with country selection that I would think could get it done...

Screenshot_20241116_102527_Norton 360.jpg
 
OutlawSolar said:
Let's getting back to one s$$ty company shutting down people inverters because they want to charge people more money.
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Deye inverters are not grey market product.
It's one product that is marketed under two different brands.
One brand sold in US and another brand sold elsewhere.
 
OutlawSolar said:
Let's getting back to one s$$ty company shutting down people inverters because they want to charge people more money.
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Agree. I only posted the polls link because I remembered the subject - i have no skin in the "doubting Will" game. We still don't know who or why on the shutdown.

I think I personally find this entire thread as damaging to the OP's China-sourced products as anyone else's.
 
OutlawSolar said:
Deye inverters are not grey market product.
It's one product that is marketed under two different brands.
One brand sold in US and another brand sold elsewhere.
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I don't even see how one could blame the consumer in this. It's not illegal to import something that isn't illegal. If it was illegal to import, it would theoretically be stopped at customs, right?

If you can "import" a single deye inverter cheaper than getting a "deye" inverter from a local distributor, that really shows how much padding the local distributor is putting into their pocket. You would think due to volume, the local distributors version should be cheaper than a one off order from a far away country.
 
cs1234 said:
I don't even see how one could blame the consumer in this. It's not illegal to import something that isn't illegal. If it was illegal to import, it would theoretically be stopped at customs, right?

If you can "import" a single deye inverter cheaper than getting a "deye" inverter from a local distributor, that really shows how much padding the local distributor is putting into their pocket. You would think due to volume, the local distributors version should be cheaper than a one off order from a far away country.
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Deye branded inverters are not a counterfeit, they are being legally sold outside US.
What Deye did is simply a cyber attack on US soil.
If Sol-Ark took any part in this action, they may be liable for any death or injury as a result of this sudden shutdown attack.
 
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cs1234 said:
I've disliked them both for a long time, my post history doesn't lie! I have had my eye on some EG4 equipment though. That Chargeverter is a pretty good deal.
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I can say for a fact that the chargeverter is freaking awesome. i was casting about for a 48 volt charger for a while before they popped up and it was just in time. i have 2 of them now and if need be I can crank out about 150 amps between the two of them while keeping my genset at about 85% capacity. i can do this with no grid hook up issues or requirements for the inverter, bms, scc, and chargeverter even needing to talk to one another.
 
ricardocello said:
It’s the firmware that bothers me.
Firmware from China? No source code? infrequent bug fixes? no thanks.
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I think those chinese spy balloons were testing sending signals to all the chinese stuff in the USA. I wouldn't be surprised if they can send a signal to all the chinese made solar panels (and silicone wafers that are assembled into panels in the USA) to disable them. Solar panels are just a bunch of silicone chips. A little logic to detect a light signal, and ...
 
timselectric said:
It's actually 4 brands, or maybe more.
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Deye makes inverter products,
some of those products are sold under an agreement in US/Can/UK/Pakistan/- S.America (per @PanGirl)
some products are sold in other jurisdictions under other agreements,
some are sold directly by Deye (I expect)
If a unauthorized sale is logged, this is between Deye and those distribution companies to work out.

There can be lots of extenuating circumstances
- you bought your unit before the agreement took effect,
- you own a boat, and you install a new Deye while docked in Taiwan then sail to LA and dock, connect to local internet - your inverter gets bricked?
- you live in the EU and build a moble system in an overlander Steyr unit to travel through Canada and up to Alaska - only to find when you arrive in N.America your inverter shuts down. WTF - no notice, no chance to explain the circumstances, short duration trip and off to Mongolia ...nope just shut you down period.

I can only believe the motivation for this is some behind the scenes fight going on between Deye and their distributers - why chance pissing off customers, why put doubt into people's mind about the viability of all Deye products? If the word gets out that "they can remotely shut you down any time they like, without notification or anything" - customers will go with some other brand and not take the chance of getting bricked.
 
DIYrich said:
I think those chinese spy balloons were testing sending signals to all the chinese stuff in the USA. I wouldn't be surprised if they can send a signal to all the chinese made solar panels (and silicone wafers that are assembled into panels in the USA) to disable them. Solar panels are just a bunch of silicone chips. A little logic to detect a light signal, and ...
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Umm no. Not how any of that works.
 
OutlawSolar said:
Deye branded inverters are not a counterfeit, they are being legally sold outside US.
What Deye did is simply a cyber attack on US soil.
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No this is not the case.

What IS the case here that the us allow fir the exclusive sales contracts..

In the EU things like this will NEVER happen as both parent company and reseller/rebadger would emmidiatly be banned be fined and banned.

What we have here is a rebadge company that, untill recently had no completion and was raking in money by the truckloads.
They could bully other companies from using the same tech ( lion energy), but when they finally got some real competition in features ( luxpower , Eg4) they saw their sales dropping like a pudding

Due to pure arrogance they thought it would be a good idea to instruct the OEM to use a feature meant to block stolen inverters on gray imports, expecting the grey import users would flock to them to buy their ridiculously upmarked rebadged machines .

Just shows exactly what you are dealing with...

To add, James , but using his "inflammatory" china blocks title is NO better .

He is selling deye stuff too..
All Eg4 mini splits are made by deye..

What we are seeing here is 2 pots blaming to kettles to be blacker
 
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houseofancients said:
No this is not the case.

What IS the case here that the us allow fir the exclusive sale contracts..

In the EU things like this will NEVER happen as both parent company and reseller/rebadged would emmidiatly be banned be fined and banned.
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why? why is the government getting involved to begin with in a commercial deal that has nothing to do with national security?
houseofancients said:
What we have here is a rebadged that, untill recently had no completion and was raking in money by the truckloads.
They could bully other companies from using the same tech ( lion energy), but when they finally got some real competition in features ( luxpower , Eg4) they saw their sales dropping like a pudding
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no argument there.
houseofancients said:
Due to pure arrogance they thought it would be a good idea to instruct the OEM to use a feature meant to block stolen inverters on gray imports, expecting the grey import users would flock to them to buy their ridiculously upmarked rebadged machines .
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proof or speculation?
houseofancients said:
Just shows exactly what you are dealing with...

To add, James , but using his "inflammatory" china blocks title is NO better .

He is selling deye stuff too..
All Eg4 mini splits are made by deye..

What we are seeing here is 2 pots blaming to kettles to be blacker
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well yeah they are both real winners in the morals department...
 
houseofancients said:
china blocks title is NO better .
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designed to get a reaction no doubt.
seems unlikely "China" the nation - ordered the shut down.
Clearly only Deye has the ability to shut down the inverters, and have their own rationale - but we don't know what it is - we can only speculate at this point.
 
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