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CHINA kills all non Sol-Ark branded DEYE unit in the USA this morning.

No this is not the case.

What IS the case here that the us allow fir the exclusive sale contracts..

In the EU things like this will NEVER happen as both parent company and
That's a crappy argument.
Company A can sue/go after company B for violating its exclusive right.
But I don't think company A can go after customers who bought the items from company B.
The most legally company A can do is telling the customers that they won't support the items bought from company B.
 
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That's a crappy argument.
Company A can sue/go after company B for violating its exclusive right.
But I don't think company A can go after customers who bought the items from company B.
The most legally company A can do is telling the customers that they won't support the item they bought from company B.
and enforce the clause in the contract - if unauthorized sales occur - there will be financial compensation for company A.
The agreement has to have some teeth in it somewhere, otherwise what would be the point.
What IS the case here that the us allow fir the exclusive sale contracts..
they do, but that is the law of the land in US, and every nation have their own rules/regs.
I am pretty sure US law also will prohibit shutting down the inverters remotely, unilaterally, without notice, and allow for compensation to those affected or harmed.

Did we hear back from @webbbn or @PanGirl on a work-around yet?
 
What Deye has done here crosses the line of acceptable behavior. Can the forum as a group boycott Deye and every company that sells rebranded Deye inverters until Deye restores service to everyone they disabled?
 
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Based on what law?
deprivation of value or something along those lines. GM cannot randomly shut your car off via onstar if you are all squared away with the bank... you cannot randomly deprive a person of the value of something they purchased... even if the location has geographical limitations in regards to sales, all they can do is void your warranty.
 
Would Have thought a response from Sol-Ark would have been made public by now concerning their "name" being displayed on the the Deye inverters as a who to contact, for those that were shut down.

Either a confirmation, denial/rebuttal, or some sort of explanation, but the silence is deafening.

ps. Especially with the CTO/CEO being a winner of the year in 2023


 
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What Deye has done here crosses the line of acceptable behavior. Before they did this I would have considered buying a Sunsync or a Sol-Ark, but now I wouldn't touch a Deye or even a Deye-rebranded anything.

Especially given that we now know they're shipping inverters with built-in remote kill switches. Companies that behave like this are capable of practically anything. I don't doubt for a second that Deye has remote kill switches in Sunsync and Sol-Ark inverters as well, installed with or without the knowledge of the brand reselling them.

Not sure if a forum can organize a boycott, but personally I think the forum as a group should boycott Deye and every company that sells rebranded Deye inverters until Deye restores service to everyone they disabled.
Well, it's a mentality, in China there is not much concept of human rights or consumer protection.
I think Deye in China did this shutdown not giving an F about it.
 
EG4 could work around that “easily“ by rebuilding the firmware and rewriting the cloud stuff. They should do that anyway, but I understand it’s non-trivial.

#SimpleMatterOfProgramming
That is assuming that EG4 has all of the documentation and source code. And I would bet they don't have full hardware/programming level documentation and that they also do not have source code. If that is the case then they would have to reverse engineer it and probably make a flowchart of what the code does. I have done that before as a hobby for a GM car computer and just sorting out one or 2 sections of the disassembly code I needed to find the setting I wanted to change took many man-weeks of work. And that was a ancient simple Motorola 68hc11 variant that pretty much matched a standard sold variant that I could find in a data book and was custom designed for GM and so had everything needed built-into the variant. It is doable but it takes people who have a good understanding of assembly and programming microprocessor registers and would take a long time so while it is simple it is simply like building a pyramid (nothing complicated with the right people just a massive amount of work).
 
I think Deye in China did this shutdown not giving an F about it.
I think Deye believe this is the way to stop their distributer from claiming compensation via the terms of whatever exclusive distribution contract was signed and it's terms allow for.
so they don't have to pay SolArk compensation for lost sales in the exclusive market areas.
But again, myself included, lots of speculation, no evidence. And only two members (of 121,000) affected - that we know of.
 
Either a confirmation, denial/rebuttal, or some sort of explanation, but the silence is deafening.
If Sol-Ark, Sunsync and other Deye rebrands don't speak out against this, it shows that ethically they are no better than Deye.
Are they dumb enough to think people who've had their inverters bricked by Deye are gonna turn around and buy a Sol-Ark or other rebranded Deye? This is going to backfire, and as I said in an earlier post, a forum-led boycott would make that more likely.
 
I don't even see how one could blame the consumer in this. It's not illegal to import something that isn't illegal. If it was illegal to import, it would theoretically be stopped at customs, right?

If you can "import" a single deye inverter cheaper than getting a "deye" inverter from a local distributor, that really shows how much padding the local distributor is putting into their pocket. You would think due to volume, the local distributors version should be cheaper than a one off order from a far away country.

Sol-Ark and EG4 are charging because they are providing support on the products and probably also better documentation and in EG4's case I believe a 10-year warranty vs Lux's 5-year warranty. Both of the companies have also had to go through US certifications, and each of those certifications are likely 50-100k or more. Luxpower seems to be known for rarely responding to support requests and/or taking them seriously from users. No idea about Deye support.
 
deprivation of value or something along those lines. GM cannot randomly shut your car off via onstar if you are all squared away with the bank... you cannot randomly deprive a person of the value of something they purchased... even if the location has geographical limitations in regards to sales, all they can do is void your warranty.
I suppose you could sue them (don't know who "they" are yet) for "deprivation of value" but I don't know of any law or statute that applies.
 
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Would Have thought a response from Sol-Ark would have been made public by now concerning their "name" being displayed on the the Deye inverters as a who to contact, for those that were shut down.

Either a confirmation, denial/rebuttal, or some sort of explanation, but the silence is deafening.

ps. Especially with the CTO/CEO being a winner of the year in 2023



I am going to bet the Deye took this action by itself because they were going to have to pay some compensation per unit and is attempting to turn up the heat on Sol-Ark by blaming them to either get them to back-off or to simply burn Sol-Ark because Deye is pissed off that their careless selling into the exclusive distributor region got them in trouble.

I am also going to bet Sol-Ark (and any other distributors involved) are now suing Deye again (or adding to any already on-going lawsuit) for this blame the turning off on Sol-Ark scheme.
 
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I think Deye believe this is the way to stop their distributer from claiming compensation via the terms of whatever exclusive distribution contract was signed and it's terms allow for.
so they don't have to pay SolArk compensation for lost sales in the exclusive market areas.
But again, myself included, lots of speculation, no evidence. And only two members (of 121,000) affected - that we know of.
that's pure extortion, using customers as hostages.
Again, what to expect from communist China.

What IF???
Deye has a fallout on a contract with Sol-Ark in the future.
Will they resort to the same tactic? Disable all Sol-Ark sold inverters?
 
Yeah We'll probably have to wait on her. Hell I can't remember which gender challenged bozo is running it righ

Because the EU actually cares about monopoli's and anti trust laws..


Let's call it a highly educated opinion :)
We can do it in the US as long as it's not a monopoly. The US only gets involved if there is collusion. This isn't the case here. A US company made a deal with a Chinese company for exclusive rights to a product in a dedicated region. Nothing about this deal prevents all other brands from competing. In fact, this deal is very generous, in that many companies contract with China and have exclusive rights to the product. Sol-Ark is allowing Deye to sell the product elsewhere.
 
I suppose you could sue them (don't know who "they" are yet) for "deprivation of value" but I don't know of any law or statute that applies.
I'm not an attorney (mandatory disclaimer), but found this on the webs:

The trespass to chattels tort punishes anyone who substantially interferes with the use of another's personal property, or chattels. Plaintiffs must show that the offender had intentional physical contact with the chattel and that the contact caused some substantial interference or damage. The courts that imported this common law doctrine into the digital world reasoned that electrical signals traveling across networks and through proprietary servers may constitute the contact necessary to support a trespass claim. Applying this common law action to computer networks, plaintiffs must first prove that they received some type of electronic communication (typically bulk e-mail or spam) that the defendant intentionally sent to interfere with the plaintiff's interest in his or her property and second that this communication caused a quantifiable harm to their tangible property, such as impaired functioning of the computer, network or server.

eBay v. Bidder's Edge, 100 F.Supp.2d 1058 (N.D. Cal. 2000).
 
the defendant intentionally sent to interfere with the plaintiff's interest in his or her property and second that this communication caused a quantifiable harm to their tangible property, such as impaired functioning of the computer, network or server.
A "plaintiff's interest" does not include interest that is not granted to the plaintiff pursuant to the ELUA or TOU. So, if the ELUA or TOU says the Deye inverter cannot be used in Pakistan, UK, or USA, then there is no "interest" of the plaintiff that is being infringed upon.
 
We can do it in the US as long as it's not a monopoly. The US only gets involved if there is collusion. This isn't the case here. A US company made a deal with a Chinese company for exclusive rights to a product in a dedicated region. Nothing about this deal prevents all other brands from competing. In fact, this deal is very generous, in that many companies contract with China and have exclusive rights to the product. Sol-Ark is allowing Deye to sell the product elsewhere.
I was reffering to disabling equipment ;)
 
I'm not an attorney (mandatory disclaimer), but found this on the webs:

The trespass to chattels tort punishes anyone who substantially interferes with the use of another's personal property, or chattels. Plaintiffs must show that the offender had intentional physical contact with the chattel and that the contact caused some substantial interference or damage. The courts that imported this common law doctrine into the digital world reasoned that electrical signals traveling across networks and through proprietary servers may constitute the contact necessary to support a trespass claim. Applying this common law action to computer networks, plaintiffs must first prove that they received some type of electronic communication (typically bulk e-mail or spam) that the defendant intentionally sent to interfere with the plaintiff's interest in his or her property and second that this communication caused a quantifiable harm to their tangible property, such as impaired functioning of the computer, network or server.

eBay v. Bidder's Edge, 100 F.Supp.2d 1058 (N.D. Cal. 2000).
It probably says in the EULA that no one reads, that the Deye unit can't be used in the USA.
 

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