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CHINA kills all non Sol-Ark branded DEYE unit in the USA this morning.

Q-Dog said:
I have decided to not use a couple fo products based on the EULA. Requested a full refund. Done.
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Companies shouldn't have any right as to how their product is used once sold. Their only right they should have is to prevent unlawful duplication of their product for sale. I should be able to blow it up if I want, use it as a turkey baster, make a youtube video where I do unmentionable things to it, etc.. Their rights to the product end when the product leaves their hand otherwise.
 
cs1234 said:
Do you have proof that Sol-Ark played a significant role in the design of the inverter before this exclusive rights agreement took place? I think it far more likely they just negotiated distribution rights to an existing Chinese inverter design. Nothing about Sol-Arks early beginnings make it look like they had the ability to design anything. Their company image looked like a bunch of "as seen on tv" crooks until not too long ago.

Even if that were the case, and Sol-Ark designed the inverter, Deye and the rest of them have absolutley no morale right to brick an inverter remotely that a customer paid for without notice and refund of purchase price. Just because something can happen legally, doesn't mean it is right. We should strive to make our laws moral, not adjust our morals to our laws, which are often written by bribed sociopaths.
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I'm not going down that road because we don't know who actually did what for what reason. All we know is that some inverters are not working. At some point, all the finger pointing will be over, people will know the facts, then people can form educated opinions.

At this point, it appears that Deye took action for some reason. If it's because Sol-Ark is going after them, then it's still on Deye. Contracts exist for a reason, and Deye did a shitty job of honoring the contracts. Sol-Ark's contract isn't unique, not at all. If people got hurt in the process, they only have themselves and Deye to blame. If my assumptions are wrong, I'll adjust my opinion.
 
cs1234 said:
Companies shouldn't have any right as to how their product is used once sold. Their only right they should have is to prevent unlawful duplication of their product for sale. I should be able to blow it up if I want, use it as a turkey baster, make a youtube video where I do unmentionable things to it, etc.. Their rights to the product end when the product leaves their hand otherwise.
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Do you believe companies have a right to limit where their products are sold?
 
cs1234 said:
Except they aren't stolen goods. They are imported goods from another market. If various countries don't want thier citizens importing things from other countries, it seems it would be easy enough to prevent. They could have a customs department monitor incoming goods and block ones they don't want entering.
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My point was that you may buy stolen goods with or without knowledge. It doesn't matter, the end result is the same.
Deye inverters are not supposed to be sold, and therefor used in the US. Deye could have easily prevented any Deye inverter from activating. They didn't.
 
Q-Dog said:
Do you believe companies have a right to limit where their products are sold?
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Nope.

EDIT: Clarification, they have the initial right to sell it to whom they please, be that a direct customer or a third party company. Past that point, they already sold it and their rights to that instance of the product are done, regardless of where that product ends up beyond that, they don't have the right to destroy/repossess the product anymore. If they had some sort of contract with the original "purchaser" that they dealt with directly, they can go after that purchaser for recourse in court for violated contract terms.

They could certainly ask the new owner, nicely, to sell it back to them, if they really want the "product" back so badly. Remotely destroying it, that's the same as stealing it from the new owner.
 
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JRH said:
My first and probably only post on this thread…

I have NO dog in this fight but am following with interest…

After 24 hours of reading mostly speculation and scattered facts , I say they is some hanky-panky goin on by someone…somewhere..

Who stands to profit the most from this….?

Follow the money trail and usually the truth will close at hand.

Back to following..
J.
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Talked to my Installer bud an hour ago and he said he talked to one of his Buds in South America last night.
He said the guy has over 200 Deye installs and was unaware of any kind of shutdown. I asked if he himself had heard of any in The USA and he said none except on DIYSolar which keeps popping up in Google.

I Noticed James Edited his original post, here is the Original:
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Nobodybusiness said:
Guess your not a fan of ITAR then.
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If I were somehow sold an F-16, and the government let it get all the way to my house, they could at least compensate me for it when they take it away.. :ROFLMAO: They would certainly have had plenty of opportunity to stop the sale/delivery before I took possession.
 
JWLV said:
19 pages of discussions and no real answers.

WILL SOMEONE WHO OWNS A DEYE CALL SOL-ARK AND LET US KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT THIS???
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I tried calling twice (anybody can call and at least ask) but was waiting on hold and didn't want to sit there waiting for someone.
 
Ok, so here's what found out. I called Sol-Ark myself at their published phone number: 972-575-8875, pressed 2 to talk to technical support. Waited about 10 minutes on hold listening to the saddest-sounding hold music ever (why? WHY?) Then a tech support guy came on the line and I told him that a friend of mine owns a Deye inverter and it required a 5-digit code and to call Sol-Ark. The tech said he has no idea what that is about. He also said that they got a few calls yesterday from Canada from people who had the same problem. So at this point, even Sol-Ark doesn't know exactly what happened or what to do about it. What caught my attention is that he said "a few people from Canada." To me, that's not a lot of people. He didn't say anyone from the United States.

So as of right now, still no answers. Just speculation.

The subject title of this thread is "CHINA kills all non Sol-Ark branded DEYE unit in the USA this morning." written by James from EG4.
Sol-Ark tech support says a few from Canada and did not say any from USA.
Someone is twisting the facts a bit.
 
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cs1234 said:
If I were somehow sold an F-16, and the government let it get all the way to my house, they could at least compensate me for it when they take it away.. :ROFLMAO: They would certainly have had plenty of opportunity to stop the sale/delivery before I took possession.
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It’s really irrelevant considering how much stuff was left in Afghanistan.

Whole ciphers have had to be scrapped.
 
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Gotta Chime in after reading most of this and holy macaroni what a road trip !

Now a few people who obviously have some miles on them twigged this out pretty quick. "GREY MARKET" !
It is a curse that has existed within the Technology market for decades and its one of those "levers" that get pulled often. This, in fact, was very bad in the late 1980's through to early 2000's. All related to computer & communications equipment. Even as stupid as a HP Laser printer in USA having warranty voided because it was a Canadian Model OR VICE A VERSA ! Just one example of numerous, TV's phones whatever and between many nations as well. Also when EBay & Amazon started, the GREY MARKET thing blew up like hell and caused all kinds of stuff to happen, which is when "the market" & Nations had to "settle it down". Guess What ? We are headed back there now ! (trade-war tool) Better start sharpening up on what is & isn't grey/domestic market and who is an OEM vs a VAR (Value Added Reseller).

It is prudent to consider your purchases, their origins, support systems and appreciate that sometimes being "penny wise & dollar foolish" by trying to save a small amount of money can end up being far more costly if you're left in a lurch. The unpleasant reality of, you get what you pay for.

PS I have a truckload (literally) of new/used BMS and assorted solar "stuff" collected over years now headed for recycle... take my point.
 
Q-Dog said:
So, if a company decides they don't want to go through the certifications it would take to legally sell in the US, you would force them to do so anyway?
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Let's clarify something, they can limit the initial sale out of their direct hands. Once it leaves their building/hands, it's fair game. If they don't like that they sold it to Joe, and then Joe sold it to me. Their recourse is with Joe, not with me. I had no dealings with them. They certainly don't have the right to damage my property that I purchased from Joe.
 
cs1234 said:
Let's clarify something, they can limit the initial sale out of their direct hands. Once it leaves their building/hands, it's fair game. If they don't like that they sold it to Joe, and then Joe sold it to me. Their recourse is with Joe, not with me. I had no dealings with them. They certainly don't have the right to damage my property that I purchased from Joe.
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Well, what they did is turn off Joe's inverter.
Probably should go ask Joe, WTF?
 
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Q-Dog said:
So, if a company decides they don't want to go through the certifications it would take to legally sell in the US, you would force them to do so anyway? How would that work?
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I'm not forcing them to sell it to anybody. Merely that once it leaves their hands and goes to a second party, it's not theirs anymore except for duplication rights. If their distributor screwed them and distributed it in a way they didn't like, their recourse is against that distributor, not the person that received it from that distributor. If they didn't want it out of their hands, maybe they should have distributed it themselves.

I'm not allowed to copy their product or reverse engineer it and steal their design. But I can sure as heck resell it to somebody else in another country if I want to, the original manufacturer of the product has no right to say what I do with it once they sell it to whomever.
 
cs1234 said:
Companies shouldn't have any right as to how their product is used once sold. Their only right they should have is to prevent unlawful duplication of their product for sale. I should be able to blow it up if I want, use it as a turkey baster, make a youtube video where I do unmentionable things to it, etc.. Their rights to the product end when the product leaves their hand otherwise.
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Your argument is very simplistic. Very few companies have total control over who finally buys their products, hence why Russia is still able to get advanced chips even when sales to Russia are banned by every manufacturer.
Deye was not selling these directly to US Dealers, they were selling the to Chinese dealers who then sold them back to US customers for a profit.
I would not shed a frigging tear if a Russian rockets blew up on the launch pad because the manufactures planted a backdoor in them. Neither do I shed a tear for people who tried to beat the Sol-Ark and Sunsynk distribution contracts.
 
JRH said:
My first and probably only post on this thread…

I have NO dog in this fight but am following with interest…

After 24 hours of reading mostly speculation and scattered facts , I say they is some hanky-panky goin on by someone…somewhere..

Who stands to profit the most from this….?

Follow the money trail and usually the truth will close at hand.

Back to following..
J.
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The only one that bennefits here is sol-ark , because they can keep their upmark, how short sighted that may be
 
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