CHINA kills all non Sol-Ark branded DEYE unit in the USA this morning.

[cs1234]

Well, what they did is turn off Joe's inverter.
Probably should go as Joe, WTF?

They had no right to turn off Joes inverter either. They sold it to Joe. At that point, he is free to do with it as he wants, it belongs to Joe. If they had some sort of contract with Joe, that's between them and Joe, the physical good itself was no longer theirs.

Clearly their are some major exceptions in our legal system for things like leased cars, property with liens / mortgages etc. But, if a product is free and clear, with no money still owed on it, then it belongs in it's entirety to whomever paid for it. If you steal it from Joe, it's still Joe's, but it is not Deyes.. he paid for it.. and the people that sold it to Joe, theoretically paid for it from Deye. Unless it was actually stolen from Deye and they received no compensation for it and it's just been a huge chain of theft all the way down, but I don't think that is the case here.

 

[houseofancients]

They had no right to turn off Joes inverter either. They sold it to Joe.

A VERY big correction..
Deye did not, grey market import sellers did.
As far as I know and have been confirmed, NOBODY has, or has been able to buy directly from Deye in sol-ark or sunsynk Territories

At that point, he is free to do with it as he wants, it belongs to Joe. If they had some sort of contract with Joe, that's between them and Joe, the physical good itself was no longer theirs.

Clearly their are some major exceptions in our legal system for things like leased cars, property with liens / mortgages etc. But, if a product is free and clear, with no money still owed on it, then it belongs in it's entirety to whomever paid for it. If you steal it from Joe, it's still Joe's, but it is not Deyes.. he paid for it.. and the people that sold it to Joe, theoretically paid for it from Deye. Unless it was actually stolen from Deye and they received no compensation for it and it's just been a huge chain of theft all the way down, but I don't think that is the case here.

 

[cs1234]

I'm serious, isn't that what the whole transfer thing was about? I thought Sol-Ark was now using something like Amazon servers to connect?

They were working on it. I don't know how far along they have come on it. There is a thread on the forum. Also, we don't know if Sol-Ark completely removed any backdoors that may have been in the firmware from China and how safe it might be from such things. Just because it sends reports to a different server doesn't mean it might not still be controllable by Deye.

One would hope they completely wrote their own firmware, or at least had access to the full code and are able to guarantee it isn't able to be controlled by Deye still.

 

[Nobodybusiness]

Inverters are considered weapons now?

ITAR isn’t just weapons.

 

[Q-Dog]

They had no right to turn off Joes inverter either. They sold it to Joe. At that point, he is free to do with it as he wants, it belongs to Joe. If they had some sort of contract with Joe, that's between them and Joe, the physical good itself was no longer theirs.

Clearly their are some major exceptions in our legal system for things like leased cars, property with liens / mortgages etc. But, if a product is free and clear, with no money still owed on it, then it belongs in it's entirety to whomever paid for it. If you steal it from Joe, it's still Joe's, but it is not Deyes.. he paid for it.. and the people that sold it to Joe, theoretically paid for it from Deye. Unless it was actually stolen from Deye and they received no compensation for it and it's just been a huge chain of theft all the way down, but I don't think that is the case here.

Let's say the inverter has a sticker that says not for use in USA and you buy it anyway. Then you install it and when you turn it on you immediately get the screen in the first post that won't let it start up. Now what?

 

[SeaGal]

Solis, since the 4G series and newer, all Solis inverters can by the users choice have dongles connected for online monitoring, firmware updates, remote settings changed, just like most other manufactures

Exactly and exactly why I don't have said dongle.

 

[cs1234]

A VERY big correction..
Deye did not, grey market import sellers did.
As far as I know and have been confirmed, NOBODY has, or has been able to buy directly from Deye in sol-ark or sunsynk Territories

They sold it to those grey market sellers. The grey market sellers sold it to Joe. Once they sold/gave it to the grey market sellers, it belonged to the grey market sellers. The situation might get sticky if they don't make the grey market sellers pay for the equipment when they receive it from Deye in the first place.. then you might be able to say the good were stolen from Deye.. since they hadn't been paid for yet.

 

[houseofancients]

They sold it to those grey market sellers. The grey market sellers sold it to Joe. Once they sold/gave it to the grey market sellers, it belonged to the grey market sellers. The situation might get sticky if they don't make the grey market sellers pay for the equipment when they receive it from Deye in the first place.. then you might be able to say the good were stolen from Deye.. since they hadn't been paid for yet.

They sold it under obligation not the sell in the USA..
There are other 120/split phase territories in the world, that have 0 to do with the us or Canada.

Again buyers took a risk, now they need to deal with the ones the have a contract with, their grey market sellers

 

[OutlawSolar]

Inverters are considered weapons now?

Well, wait until our home internet gateway and etc got shutoff by some Chinese manufactures.
What Deye did is stupid act and eye-opening of what's a cyber warfare entails.
If Deye could do it so easily, imagine how many chinese IoT we have in our live.

 

[houseofancients]

Ok, this topic is going nowhere anymore, said all I wanted and needed to say..
I'm out

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

OK, I'm calling bullshit on this whole thing. I've dug around the Internet for two days now, looking for any hint of this being a real thing, and there is NOTHING. Not only is there nothing about the situation, but not one single mention of the issue in any other forum except this one. No posts about it. No other images of the compromised screen. I can't even find any place where the image posted exists other than this thread on this forum.

Also, if that was a real screen from Deye, I would expect proper grammar. That screen shot has several glaring issues with its grammar that make me think it's a total shop job.

The closest thing I can find that might be related is this:

60 Hurts per Second – How We Got Access to Enough Solar Power to Run the United States

The electricity grid – the buzzing, crackling marvel that supplies the lifeblood of modernity - is by far the largest structure humanity ever built.

www.bitdefender.com

And I wonder if the image posted was taken of a test device that was deliberately compromised in order to prove the vulnerabilities and the capabilities the vulns provide to the threat actor.

Until this issue shows up in at least one other place SOMEWHERE on the Internet, I'm writing this whole discussion off as a bullshit waste of time.

@EG4 Electronics James , I don't know what you are trying to pull with this post. But you've only succeeded in giving your own company a ding against their reputation as far as I am concerned.

Unfollowed.

 

[cs1234]

Let's say the inverter has a sticker that says not for use in USA and you buy it anyway. Then you install it and when you turn it on you immediately get the screen in the first post that won't let it start up. Now what?

I'm fine with that. One caveat being it should have been clearly labeled at the point of sale that it will *absolutely* not work in the US due to artificial software scumbaggery. Just because something isn't designed for the US market, doesn't mean it won't work in the US market under certain conditions, so they need to make sure to use some truth in advertising, maybe something like "We are dicks, and went out of our way to make this product not work for you, you filthy pig dog!"

However, if it worked when I installed it, and then months later, the original manufacturer, Deye bricks it, nope, that's unacceptable. They have no right to do anything to the product once it leaves their hands.

 

[Crowz]

I don't believe the hotspot data tunnels through the VPN.

Actually it will. If you are connected to wifi and then turn on the hotspot it goes thru the wifi and not the cellphone service. Get nordvpn, install the nord app, choose a safe country to pop out of and go for it.

 

[Danke]

They sold it under obligation not the sell in the USA..
There are other 120/split phase territories in the world, that have 0 to do with the us or Canada.

Again buyers took a risk, now they need to deal with the ones the have a contract with, their grey market sellers

I guess they’re gonna make everything like buying a house now, a wise purchaser needs a title search and insurance.

 

[Norwasian]

A contract which breaks laws against monopolies should be null and void to begin with. This spirit of Sol-Ark against competition reminds me of "Internet Destroyer" (Microsoft's Internet Explorer) which at one point some years ago literally destroyed Mozilla's Netscape Navigator/Communicator (precursor to SeaMonkey/Firefox), its competition. Microsoft rightfully lost the ensuing lawsuit, but not before Mozilla's application had lost its market.

That was software. Now the software in solar equipment is disabling/destroying actual hardware. All for monopolistic greed, and in opposition to the free market.

I'm not inclined, by this news, to desire a Sol-Ark.

 

[OutlawSolar]

They sold it under obligation not the sell in the USA..
There are other 120/split phase territories in the world, that have 0 to do with the us or Canada.

Again buyers took a risk, now they need to deal with the ones the have a contract with, their grey market sellers

Who F up in this case, is Deye, with a serial number Deye can find out which distributor sold it to US market and cut the distributor off.

We do it all the time, if we notice that there is a customer bought the product from an oversea distributor (we know the serial number when the customer comes and asks for support/warranty).
We will contact our manufacture to deal with the issue. There is no need to deal with end users.

 

[cs1234]

They sold it under obligation not the sell in the USA..
There are other 120/split phase territories in the world, that have 0 to do with the us or Canada.

Again buyers took a risk, now they need to deal with the ones the have a contract with, their grey market sellers

That's different than not being paid for it at all. It wasn't "stolen". There was a contract violation between Deye and some questionable third party company. Their recourse is to sue whomever that contract was with. Not to brick an inverter that is actively being used by a customer that paid for it. The inverter doesn't belong to Deye, it belongs to the customer. I would have more sympathy for Deye if it was a truckload of stolen inverters, that they received no money for, not even insurance loss compensation, and they refused to let them activate when initially hooked up based on serial numbers. But that's not what they did here, they took customers actively working inverters, and bricked them, because they felt the inverter still belonged to them even though it was bought and paid for.

 

[robby]

The only one that bennefits here is sol-ark , because they can keep their upmark, how short sighted that may be

Really, it seems like James whole plan was once again to make them look like the Bad guys so that people Buy Luxpower ehh EG4 Inverters.
Did you forget his last post about 3 weeks ago about Sol-Ark not honoring warranties?

 

[42OhmsPA]

If you doubt the update ha

Actually it will. If you are connected to wifi and then turn on the hotspot it goes thru the wifi and not the cellphone service. Get nordvpn, install the nord app, choose a safe country to pop out of and go for it.

I run Nord 24/7 and had tried it a year or so ago before posting....
Here ya go.

Hotspot on with VPN is US, connected tablet and checked IP.
Wifi on tablet off, jumped to Canada on phone, reconnected tablet and checked IP....

 

[Crowz]

I run Nord 24/7 and had tried it a year or so ago before posting....
Here ya go.

Hotspot on with VPN is US, connected tablet and checked IP.
Wifi on tablet off, jumped to Canada on phone, reconnected tablet and checked IP....

I just woke up but it worked right from what I see right?

 

[Norwasian]

Really, it seems like James whole plan was once again to make them look like the Bad guys so that people Buy Luxpower ehh EG4 Inverters.
Did you forget his last post about 3 weeks ago about Sol-Ark not honoring warranties?

It's my understanding that the EG4 inverters are the modern HF style and non-toroidal. It's also my understanding that Deye manufactures toroidal (LF) inverters. In my opinion, toroidal is much superior, so EG4 has been off my radar from the start.

I want an inverter that will not cause my motors to be burning out early, and one that will properly start inductive loads. I've understood that EG4 claims to do so, but wonder how long the unit will last if used much with motors, particularly larger ones. Thus, it seems to me that EG4's competition may have a legitimate edge, engineering-wise, which they may struggle to overcome in promoting their product to the consumers. In such a case, as so often occurs in the political world, bad-mouthing one's competition may appear a more inviting option--but gains no advantage with me.

 

[42OhmsPA]

I just woke up but it worked right from what I see right?

No the hotspot connection stayed in the US. Hotspot data is tunneled differently to track data.

 

[DIYrich]

The only one that bennefits here is sol-ark , because they can keep their upmark, how short sighted that may be

Deye benefits because they get paid by SA for the exclusive right. I'm sure SA also pays a premium for each unit.

 

[cs1234]

It's my understanding that the EG4 inverters are the modern HF style and non-toroidal. It's also my understanding that Deye manufactures toroidal (LF) inverters. In my opinion, toroidal is much superior, so EG4 has been off my radar from the start.

I want an inverter that will not cause my motors to be burning out early, and one that will properly start inductive loads. I've understood that EG4 claims to do so, but wonder how long the unit will last if used much with motors, particularly larger ones. Thus, it seems to me that EG4's competition may have a legitimate edge, engineering-wise, which they may struggle to overcome in promoting their product to the consumers. In such a case, as so often occurs in the political world, bad-mouthing one's competition may appear a more inviting option--but gains no advantage with me.

I don't believe the Sol-Ark / Deye inverter is toroidal is it? I thought it was also a HF inverter like the EG4? Good for Deye / Sol-Ark if it is though.

 

[cs1234]

Deye benefits because they get paid by SA for the exclusive right. I'm sure SA also pays a premium for each unit.

Sounds like a nice arrangement between the two of them, and only them. If I had somehow got hold of a Deye inverter from elsewhere, and got it all nice and set up and working, I certainly wouldn't have anticipated them remotely logging into it and bricking it though, being as the inverter wasn't theirs anymore.