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CHINA kills all non Sol-Ark branded DEYE unit in the USA this morning.

TM48 said:
It doesn't surprise me that Deye would damage private property as communists generally don't respect the concept of private property.
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It seems there are some non communists that don't respect it either. I've been accused of being a communist on here, and I seem to be respecting it more than some others.
 
timselectric said:
It's not the same.
Sol-Ark has an agreement with Deye to be their exclusive distributor in North America. There's no agreement that says that I can't buy a product from another market. And use that product in North America. We live in a global market. We are not forced to only buy from local distributors.
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How dare you! You buy it from where you're told. Good day to you sir!
 
Five executives from Sony Japan show up at your house with baseball bats.

Sony: "You're the guy who recently visited Japan and bought a Sony Playstation X10!"
You: "Uh, yeah?"
Sony: "Don't act all innocent!! Don't you know we have a subsidiary, Sony America?"
You: "Excuse me?"
Sony: "GIVE US THE PLAYSTATION NOW, WE MUST DESTROY IT! IT VIOLATES OUR AGREEMENT WITH SONY AMERICA FOR YOU TO HAVE IT!!!"

Happened to nobody, never.
 
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OutlawSolar said:
I think James has a good lawyer. Fabricating false story is very a serious stuff that Sol-Ark wouldn't have any problem sue a heck of out SS.
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Lawfare is the term being bandied about lately. I think Sol-Ark would love to engage in some Lawfare against SS/EG4.
 
kolek said:
Say you go for a trip abroad. Maybe you buy a Sony product in Japan and a Vuitton bag in Italy before returning home. You're aware those companies have subsidiaries / resellers in the U.S., right?warranty

Should Sony and Vuitton send someone to your house to destroy these things you purchased abroad just because they have an authorized agent in the U.S., and you didn't buy from their authorized agent?
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I have bought a lot of grey market Nikon stuff. I buy with the knowledge that if I have a warranty issue, I am sol.
 
DIYrich said:
I have bought a lot of grey market Nikon stuff. I buy with the knowledge that if I have a warranty issue, I am sol.
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I'm ok with warranties not transferring for out of market products purchased out of market. Unless, it's the exact same product in your market and the market you purchased it in. But, if it's a different product, they shouldn't have to service a product that isn't even in that market. You should be able to send it to a warranty shop in that proper market though at your expense. Where it was physically used shouldn't matter, as long as something with your locale isn't what damaged it.. say using something meant for a dry desert in a tropical rain forest or something.

Bricking it remotely, on purpose, no.
 
Koyaanisqatsi said:
OK, I'm calling bullshit on this whole thing. I've dug around the Internet for two days now, looking for any hint of this being a real thing, and there is NOTHING. Not only is there nothing about the situation, but not one single mention of the issue in any other forum except this one. No posts about it. No other images of the compromised screen. I can't even find any place where the image posted exists other than this thread on this forum.
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I tried looking, too...after you posted this. I've found almost the opposite to be true...more below.

Koyaanisqatsi said:
Also, if that was a real screen from Deye, I would expect proper grammar. That screen shot has several glaring issues with its grammar that make me think it's a total shop job.
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I wouldn't. I'm quite used to improper English grammar from Asians. Running through Google Translate doesn't guarantee good grammar, either. For example, I recently came across pumps advertised as having "two fingers" pipe size. An English speaker who did not know Thai might be entirely confused. Bilingual speakers will know that "finger" in Thai also means "inch." But I've seen misspellings that would lead me to believe company staff do not even bother to consult a dictionary, nor to heed the red-underlining in their software (surely they have spellcheck, right?).

Koyaanisqatsi said:
The closest thing I can find that might be related is this:
www.bitdefender.com

60 Hurts per Second – How We Got Access to Enough Solar Power to Run the United States

The electricity grid – the buzzing, crackling marvel that supplies the lifeblood of modernity - is by far the largest structure humanity ever built.
www.bitdefender.com www.bitdefender.com
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I found two additional articles which referenced the one you linked:

thehackernews.com

Researchers Uncover Vulnerabilities in Solarman and Deye Solar Systems

Cybersecurity experts uncover critical vulnerabilities in Chinese solar management platforms, potentially allowing hackers to cause blackouts and disr
thehackernews.com thehackernews.com

securitybrief.com.au

Cybersecurity flaws risk US solar power, now patched

Bitdefender reveals vulnerabilities in Solarman and Deye platforms exposed 20% of global solar output to cyber threats, risking US-scale blackouts.
securitybrief.com.au securitybrief.com.au

The latter article includes a bit of faint praise for Deye in addressing the potential security vulnerabilities....

Bitdefender commended Solarman and Deye for their prompt actions in rectifying the vulnerabilities, illustrating the value of coordinated efforts in enhancing the security of essential infrastructure. As the world continues to adopt renewable energy solutions, ongoing vigilance and proactive measures are essential to safeguard these advancements against evolving cyber threats.
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Koyaanisqatsi said:
And I wonder if the image posted was taken of a test device that was deliberately compromised in order to prove the vulnerabilities and the capabilities the vulns provide to the threat actor.

Until this issue shows up in at least one other place SOMEWHERE on the Internet, I'm writing this whole discussion off as a bullshit waste of time.

@EG4 Electronics James , I don't know what you are trying to pull with this post. But you've only succeeded in giving your own company a ding against their reputation as far as I am concerned.

Unfollowed.
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It may be that the hackers involved in finding the vulnerabilities (e.g. Bitdefender) may have some connection to this...but how would @EG4 Electronics James have obtained the image?

As you have pointed out, there appears to be no one else protesting the shutdown of inverters, so the story is presently unverifiable.
 
TM48 said:
There seems to be a lot of confusion between a criminal act such as damaging private property and violating a civil contact between two companies that you didn't sign. It doesn't surprise me that Deye would damage private property as communists generally don't respect the concept of private property.
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If this ever happened. There appears to be no other source for this rumor that Deye has done this besides the post by @EG4 Electronics James at the top of this thread.
 
DIYrich said:
I have bought a lot of grey market Nikon stuff. I buy with the knowledge that if I have a warranty issue, I am sol.
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Warranty? lol. This ain't about your warranty son.
Based on your position regarding Deye, you'd have no problem, obviously, with Nikon remotely bricking your grey market gear?
 
Norwasian said:
Assumptions of that nature are the very reason that conspiracies often succeed. It's best to verify things for oneself.
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In America, it would potentially be a very expensive proposition for somebody of James stature to directly spread falsified rumors about a competitor in public. He isn't some influential billionaire that can afford to completely ignore all laws as though they don't apply to him. At least I don't think he is.
 
timselectric said:
I just buy things that are proven to work reliably, out of the box.
And never, ever, update the firmware. So far, this strategy has served me well.
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Glad it has worked for you so far, but it does not guarantee protection from all the backdoor methods which could brick your inverters.
 
timselectric said:
It's not the same.
Sol-Ark has an agreement with Deye to be their exclusive distributor in North America. There's no agreement that says that I can't buy a product from another market. And use that product in North America. We live in a global market. We are not forced to only buy from local distributors.
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And there's no agreement from Deye that they have to allow that unit to run when it leaves it's accepted territory.
 
cs1234 said:
They had no right to turn off Joes inverter either. They sold it to Joe. At that point, he is free to do with it as he wants, it belongs to Joe. If they had some sort of contract with Joe, that's between them and Joe, the physical good itself was no longer theirs.

Clearly their are some major exceptions in our legal system for things like leased cars, property with liens / mortgages etc. But, if a product is free and clear, with no money still owed on it, then it belongs in it's entirety to whomever paid for it. If you steal it from Joe, it's still Joe's, but it is not Deyes.. he paid for it.. and the people that sold it to Joe, theoretically paid for it from Deye. Unless it was actually stolen from Deye and they received no compensation for it and it's just been a huge chain of theft all the way down, but I don't think that is the case here.
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Incorrect. You still own a bricked inverter, you never owned the software/firmware.

John Deere has been involved in a lawsuit about this very subject. . The farmer still owned the tractor even though it was useless without the software. The case has to move thru the courts before this is ever decided but John Deere could make it expensive while allowing access to the software. The Right To Repair was first started in the automotive industry over 20 years ago with discussion between the manufacturers and independent repair shops. Some manufacturers embraced the right as it led to customer satisfaction long term but some manufacturers only allowed access with a high annual subscription that most independents could not justify unless they specialized in just a few makes.
 
cs1234 said:
Exactly. Deye should be fining the distributors that "distributed" those serial numbers directly. The end user shouldn't be messed with by Deye. Maybe they can sue in small claims court. I doubt Deye will show up. :unsure:
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Well yes, but if you go after your distributors your sales go down. Go after an end user, well they aren't likely to buy another Deye after you bricked their old one...
 
Q-Dog said:
So, if a company decides they don't want to go through the certifications it would take to legally sell in the US, you would force them to do so anyway? How would that work?
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Deye did go through the certifications and UL listing.
Before the agreement, you had the option to buy from different distributors in the US. The agreement made Sol-Ark the exclusive official distributor.
 
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