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CHINA kills all non Sol-Ark branded DEYE unit in the USA this morning.

Zwy said:
Incorrect. You still own a bricked inverter, you never owned the software/firmware.

John Deere has been involved in a lawsuit about this very subject. . The farmer still owned the tractor even though it was useless without the software. The case has to move thru the courts before this is ever decided but John Deere could make it expensive while allowing access to the software. The Right To Repair was first started in the automotive industry over 20 years ago with discussion between the manufacturers and independent repair shops. Some manufacturers embraced the right as it led to customer satisfaction long term but some manufacturers only allowed access with a high annual subscription that most independents could not justify unless they specialized in just a few makes.
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I don't subscribe to the school of thought that software is immune from traditional physical product sales right of use conditions. You can make the legal argument for "you own the inverter, not the software/firmware" if you want. Morally it's wrong, regardless of what our scumbag bribed judges have decided in their corporate taskmasters favor. I make arguments here based on passion for what's morally right, not what's legal or not.
 
kolek said:
Five executives from Sony Japan show up at your house with baseball bats.

Sony: "You're the guy who recently visited Japan and bought a Sony Playstation X10!"
You: "Uh, yeah?"
Sony: "Don't act all innocent!! Don't you know we have a subsidiary, Sony America?"
You: "Excuse me?"
Sony: "GIVE US THE PLAYSTATION NOW, WE MUST DESTROY IT! IT VIOLATES OUR AGREEMENT WITH SONY AMERICA FOR YOU TO HAVE IT!!!"

Happened to nobody, never.
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Sony:"We don't want you making copies of our music"

You: "Good luck with that"

Sony:"Get that hacking software burned into our music cd's we will fix people from copying our stuff!"

You:"Crap I suddenly can't copy my sony music cd's anymore"

Happened to EVERYONE that bought those cd's.


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In 2005 it was revealed that the implementation of copy protection measures on about 22 million CDs distributed by Sony BMG installed one of two pieces of software that provided a form of digital rights management (DRM) by modifying the operating system to interfere with CD copying.
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en.wikipedia.org

Sony BMG copy protection rootkit scandal - Wikipedia

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Crowz said:
Sony:"We don't want you making copies of our music"

You: "Good luck with that"

Sony:"Get that hacking software burned into our music cd's we will fix people from copying our stuff!"

You:"Crap I suddenly can't copy my sony music cd's anymore"

Happened to EVERYONE that bought those cd's.
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Didn't it also cause them not to play properly in some players as well? I could of sworn something like that went down.
 
cs1234 said:
I don't subscribe to the school of thought that software is immune from traditional physical product sales right of use conditions. You can make the legal argument for "you own the inverter, not the software/firmware" if you want. Morally it's wrong, regardless of what our scumbag bribed judges have decided in their corporate taskmasters favor. I make arguments here based on passion for what's morally right, not what's legal or not.
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I never said it was right or wrong. The courts will decide and John Deere is under a FTC investigation for this.

Be aware that it is a long fight, the John Deere case has been ongoing for almost 10 years now. The automotive manufacturers have played this game for over 20 years.

Just because you think it is wrong doesn't help if they can tie it up in court for decades. You are playing against big money with high priced attorneys on staff.
 
Zwy said:
I never said it was right or wrong. The courts will decide and John Deere is under a FTC investigation for this.

Be aware that it is a long fight, the John Deere case has been ongoing for almost 10 years now. The automotive manufacturers have played this game for over 20 years.

Just because you think it is wrong doesn't help if they can tie it up in court for decades. You are playing against big money with high priced attorneys on staff.
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But it's wrong! :cry:

Don't shatter my naive world view that morality matters.
 
I guess EG4 has considerable competition.

The security firm found that vulnerabilities existed across millions of solar installations globally, which collectively produce approximately 195 gigawatts of solar power. Bitdefender stated, "If exploited, these vulnerabilities could allow an attacker to control inverter settings that could take parts of the grid down, potentially causing blackouts." The affected companies have successfully patched the identified weak points to prevent any misuse.

The study unveiled several critical flaws in the systems used by Solarman, which is one of the world's leading photovoltaic (PV) monitoring and management platforms, managing over 2 million active PV plants and involving more than 10 million devices in over 190 countries and territories. Deye is known to utilise Solarman's infrastructure up until a recent spin-off into its own data centre, incorporating its unique user base.
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That's a lot of power. Full article here...

securitybrief.com.au

Cybersecurity flaws risk US solar power, now patched

Bitdefender reveals vulnerabilities in Solarman and Deye platforms exposed 20% of global solar output to cyber threats, risking US-scale blackouts.
securitybrief.com.au securitybrief.com.au
 
Norwasian said:
As you have pointed out, there appears to be no one else protesting the shutdown of inverters, so the story is presently unverifiable.
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Don't recall who - someone searched and found a Facebook post about this from Puerto Rico (a US territory).
@webbbn - a regular member here confirmed his Deye was bricked.
@PanGirl - a brand new member - appears to have joined the forum to post a question (edit post #380) about how to un-brick a Deye they say they purchased prior to SolArk agreement in Panama. They say they have two Deye, one with dongle is bricked, other is working.
@JWLV - a long time member here since 2020 posted #489 that he Called SolArk tech and they said a couple people from Canada had called in about this issue, they knew nothing about any US cases according to @JWLV
So the story is clearly verified, but appears for now to have hit very few people, and only one long time Forum member.
 
OffGridForGood said:
Don't recall who - someone searched and found a Facebook post about this from Puerto Rico (a US territory).
@webbbn - a regular member here confirmed his Deye was bricked.
@PanGirl - a brand new member - appears to have joined the forum to post a question about how to un-brick a Deye they say they purchased prior to SolArk agreement in Panama.
@JWLV - a long time member here since 2020 posted #489 that he Called SolArk tech and they said a couple people from Canada had called in about this issue, they knew nothing about any US cases according to @JWLV
So the story is clearly verified, but appears for now to have hit very few people, and only one long time Forum member.
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I think it's safe to say this has risen beyond a potential "frivolous claim" by James.
 
How many U.S. based Deye owners are there on this forum? I get the impression only a few.
I only know 2.
Ray from TX and MrDavv, forget his exact name.
 
Zwy said:
Incorrect. You still own a bricked inverter, you never owned the software/firmware.

John Deere has been involved in a lawsuit about this very subject. . The farmer still owned the tractor even though it was useless without the software. The case has to move thru the courts before this is ever decided but John Deere could make it expensive while allowing access to the software. The Right To Repair was first started in the automotive industry over 20 years ago with discussion between the manufacturers and independent repair shops. Some manufacturers embraced the right as it led to customer satisfaction long term but some manufacturers only allowed access with a high annual subscription that most independents could not justify unless they specialized in just a few makes.
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John Deere thing is more about right to repair
 
Brucey said:
I think it's safe to say this has risen beyond a potential "frivolous claim" by James.
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It certainly appears to be true. Calling out Sol-Ark the way he did in the original post was unfounded without proof that they had anything to do with it. As far as we know, it could have been all Sunsynks or Inverex's fault.. whomever those two bozos are. Sol-Ark could be completely innocent here, with their halo still floating above their sweet little heads.
 
kolek said:
How many U.S. based Deye owners are there on this forum? I get the impression only a few.
I only know 2.
Ray from TX and MrDavv, forget his exact name.
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Most of us in the USA are too smart for that. We know you aren't allowed to purchase overseas products and use them in the United States. You could be violating all kinds of contractual agreements between different companies you've never even heard of.
 
cs1234 said:
Most of us in the USA are too smart for that. We know you aren't allowed to purchase overseas products and use them in the United States. You could be violating all kinds of contractual agreements between different companies you've never even heard of.
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Oh God,
In addition to Poco monopoly, now we have to worry about inverter monopoly.
No escape $!%%, oh god. Why Why,,,,,
 
I trust @webbbn would be honest in his report - he has been on the forum since 2023, has a few hundred posts.
Is unlikely to say his Deye is bricked unless his Deye is bricked!

Similarly, someone joins the forum today ostensibly just to be able to post the question Post #380 - how to unbrick a Deye inverter in Panama.
Three posts and then nothing - last comment they were going to try the VPN approach to see if that "unbricked" the Deye. Then nothing further. They reported having two units, only the connected one locked up.
If the VPN worked, they may not bother to come back and report, since they joined the forum today just to ask the question it appears.

Also, 1,000 non-members could have searched the net, landed here, and read this entire thread looking for some help but not join as members, not report back, just did the VPN thing, got their inverter working (maybe) and left. Who knows.
 
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Zwy said:
I never said it was right or wrong. The courts will decide and John Deere is under a FTC investigation for this.

Be aware that it is a long fight, the John Deere case has been ongoing for almost 10 years now. The automotive manufacturers have played this game for over 20 years.

Just because you think it is wrong doesn't help if they can tie it up in court for decades. You are playing against big money with high priced attorneys on staff.
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Ask Robert Cairns - inventor of the pulse windshield wiper...
 
teal95 said:
From what I've heard John Deere is much more egregious than that. They've taken to putting DRM protected chips in every part, even things that have no other electrical function, like wheel hubs and bearings.
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Hey, they're just corps being corps. Can't blame em for doing what's legal until it isn't. How would we know what to make illegal if some corporation didn't do it to us first. Might be morally wrong, but it's monetarily right!
 
Brucey said:
Deye would sell millions more aio units outside of the split phase units it sends to solark. I'm guessing their solark business is insignificant compared to rest of world business.
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Yes, I completely agree. The US market is just a tiny part of the global solar market.
 
cs1234 said:
Except they aren't stolen goods. They are imported goods from another market. If various countries don't want thier citizens importing things from other countries, it seems it would be easy enough to prevent. They could have a customs department monitor incoming goods and block ones they don't want entering.
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US Customs monitors for goods that shouldn't be imported in the USA, but they miss some. Do you really want customs opening every single package coming into the USA to check if the product is legal to import? Imports into the USA would take months to clear customs unless US Customs hired tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands more workers.

Plenty of people order products from overseas that the US Customs should block, but the buyer just hopes it is one of the shipments that slips through. The buyer had to be prepared to lose their money, but in some cases the seller will refund if the banned item doesn't clear customs.
 
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