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Circuit Breaker / Fuse on larger battery banks

JIMMY

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Hi All,

What is everyone using on their larger battery banks?

I am building some 15kwh 48v packs for my off grid system with 150a BMS so looking for a 200a fuse / breaker on each bank.

There is NH1 style Fuse Disconnects on the current LA battery setup.

Are these still the best way or should I be looking for another solution?

Thanks

Jimmy
 
I am using a 200 amp ANL fuses for my 440 ah 12 V bank I'm putting together. This comes out to about 5 kwh. I did not get the cheaper audio version of the fuse, but one rated for primary battery protection.
 
I am using 350A class T fuse for 405 Ah 48V AGM bank.
It has 20kA interrupt rating.
Based on data I've seen for other AGM batteries (4000A from 100 Ah), I expect 16,000A short circuit current for my bank.

And then I have breakers that are built in to my inverters for disconnect.

I'm considering adding 400A class T fuses after my 200A main breaker panel.
Interrupt rating is 200 kA for AC, and for severe overloads it has a faster trip than the breaker (which has only 22kA interrupt rating.)
It would be slower than the breaker for moderate overloads.
(Household breakers are rated to trip and be reset many times for moderate overloads, but only once or twice with a dead short.)
 
Why use a 400 amp fuse after a 200 amp breaker?

I'm trying to coordinate them so breaker not fuse opens in the event of any normal overload. But, in case of a dead short, fuse blows and prevents breaker from being destroyed. Also successfully stops current if breaker can't due to insufficient rating. It looks to me like smaller fuses 225A to 350A might blow too soon. So I'm selecting a fuse which should be slower under moderate overload and faster under extreme overload.

Trip curves for my 200A main breaker show it will hold 4x (800A) for at least 10 seconds and possibly as long as 80 seconds, but above 12x (2400A) will trip in under 40 ms.


400A Class T JLLN fuse will clear at > 2000A in less than 50ms, will hold 800A for 100 seconds.


At high currents such as 40,000A, the breaker magnetic trip would be open in less than one 17 ms 60 Hz power line cycle but possibly unable to clear the fault (current continues to flow in arc). Fuse will also blow in much less time and cut short the arc.

Breaker has 22kA interrupt rating. "current limiting" Fuse, if interrupting a fault with 200,000 short-circuit current, limits time so breaker only experiences 12,000A equivalent.

Same applies for DC, except the class T fuse is only rated 20kA interrupting up to 125VDC. (just a bit above my 400A AGM battery's short circuit current.) I want my breakers to trip for any overload, but they are at the far end of the inverter cables (built in to inverter). 350A class T fuse at battery protects 2/0 cable from shorts, but not from longer term overload.

They aren't cheap - cost me almost $200 for two fuses and two fuse holders.
 
Yes. One Blue Sea class T fuse and holder cost me $83. Then I realized I ordered the wrong amp T fuse. Another $35. B S made by Littelfuse.
 
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