Crazy low prices on Aliexpress LifePO4 320A, with buyer protection?

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My Ali dispute has been frozen, I assume this was triggered by the Paypal claim.
Just need someone with some brains at Paypal to review and hopefully not a bot,
 

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I looked up PostNL a little further, it seems they also handle international shipping. I assume they are operating the container ship between Hong Kong and the US. The HJYT tracking number I have for my parcel does not work on their website either. I have seen other example tracking information on PostNL website indicating delivery times up to about 52 days total to the US. It looks like I am just coming up on about 56 days since ordering.

Also I would assume since the tracking information claims "Item ready for pick up at a Post Office collection point" that it should mean it has been unloaded from the shipping container at the port in the USA already. If that is the case then they already have had 32 days to go through customs and get transported from California to my doorstep in Michigan.

PostNL is pretty similar to something like the USPS in the USA. They do international, but mostly under the TNT Post names in Europe , and afaik not in US. For shippings from CN to USA it doesn't make sense at all.... since both of them are not their markets
( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostNL )
Also, I'm not aware of any ship or container service they have. Only freight trucks for local delivery (well, within NL). I'm living in NL my entire life, I never saw a container or ship with their brand :)

I think al those xxxx stores have similar tactics: Open a store, label it <4 digit random number>store, advertise with very low prices, get money, post a random tracking no, and run....
Are you able to retrieve a weight indication? That probably would confirm it's just some random tracking no they abused for this scam.

If you're getting anything at all it will be bloated cells, batteries with rocks (to make up for the weight), and invalid capacty ratings (280Ah cells sold as 420Ah as some have experienced), or sell batteries by doing creative math (as some do: 4 cells of 3.2V/75Ah in series will give a 12.8V (4x3.2V) / 300Ah (4x75)

General it results in filing a claim. Ali frequently denies the claim (they don't know anthing, and if the seller says the customer isn't using proper equipment they just close the claim). Paypal... Well, haven't heart too many good results either. I think you're going ending up filing a claim at your CC company.

For anyone who hasn't bought cells yet: Go to a REPUTABLE seller on Alibaba, with decent reviews and a longer existence. Aliexpress is quite a lucky shot. Bloated cells, overrated cells, used cells, bad packaging, fraudulent sellers... I've seen them all. Look just at topics here: The majority of people having issues made the mistake ordering on Aliexpress without doing properly research.

Alibabba is neither 100% warranty, but it's much likely to get something you can actually use.... Want to minimum risk? Get a vendor with a US (or wherever you are located) warehouse. If you have the time, get properly matched cells at eg Amy (Luyuan)
 
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I may be a victim....What do you think?

I purchased 8 of these cells through AliExpress. Paid roughly $1000CAD for all 8, which included shipping. They were supposed to be shipped through DHL. These were a good deal, not the cheapest, but not the most expensive as well from what I could find.

The batteries were shipped out within a couple days and I was provided a tracking number that can only be viewed on track17.net and not through DHL. I bought these batteries late July and I started asking the seller about them early Sept. The tracking details showed that the package had arrived into Canada and was apparently at some sorting facility as of Aug 18th. Conveniently, after I questioned the seller about the shipping and starting a dispute with Aliexpress on Sept 5th, the tracking data now shows that it's been delivered on Aug 25th. Nothing has been received! :(

I'm now in the process of disputing this through AliExpress and it's doesn't look like it'll go smoothly. I have to try to resolve it with the seller within the next 35 days before AliExpress will even step in. The seller just keeps saying that the package was delivered/signed for. I've read that in these instances, AliExpress will typically side with the seller as there is a tracking # that states it was delivered. :mad: I'm asking the seller to provide the carrier details of who ever deals with it once it's in Canada and to provide proof of delivery.... I haven't heard anything.

Fortunately, I did use PayPal and have the option to file a dispute with them, if not my credit card company. While I have no idea how this will turn out... it's a big pain in the ass having $1000 tied up, time wasted and my newly converted offgrid shed/office sitting in limbo while I wait for batteries.

In the mean time, I placed an order for the same cells for half the price through AliExpress (haha ya, most likely a scam as well, but hope the protections in place work) and I might place another order through someone on eBay (far more reputable) to get something to me asap.

Thoughts? Anyone else dealt with AliExpress disputes?

PS..... (I just read more of the thread above).... and the store I bought from was Assembly battery Store

Just check the high number of FAKE stores if you search for "280ah lifepo4", I think that more than 95% of the stores are fake and automatically created with duplicated products and all of them will never ship the package, first 2 pages only FAKE fraudulent stores , be aware :

All these will never ship anything, they use an expoit or can alterate the shipping comany database records and create false battery path ...

 

elvis_asaftei

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PostNL is pretty similar to something like the USPS in the USA. They do international, but mostly under the TNT Post names in Europe , and afaik not in US. For shippings from CN to USA it doesn't make sense at all.... since both of them are not their markets
( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostNL )
Also, I'm not aware of any ship or container service they have. Only freight trucks for local delivery (well, within NL). I'm living in NL my entire life, I never saw a container or ship with their brand :)

I think al those xxxx stores have similar tactics: Open a store, label it <4 digit random number>store, advertise with very low prices, get money, post a random tracking no, and run....
Are you able to retrieve a weight indication? That probably would confirm it's just some random tracking no they abused for this scam.

If you're getting anything at all it will be bloated cells, batteries with rocks (to make up for the weight), and invalid capacty ratings (280Ah cells sold as 420Ah as some have experienced), or sell batteries by doing creative math (as some do: 4 cells of 3.2V/75Ah in series will give a 12.8V (4x3.2V) / 300Ah (4x75)

General it results in filing a claim. Ali frequently denies the claim (they don't know anthing, and if the seller says the customer isn't using proper equipment they just close the claim). Paypal... Well, haven't heart too many good results either. I think you're going ending up filing a claim at your CC company.

For anyone who hasn't bought cells yet: Go to a REPUTABLE seller on Alibaba, with decent reviews and a longer existence. Aliexpress is quite a lucky shot. Bloated cells, overrated cells, used cells, bad packaging, fraudulent sellers... I've seen them all. Look just at topics here: The majority of people having issues made the mistake ordering on Aliexpress without doing properly research.

Alibabba is neither 100% warranty, but it's much likely to get something you can actually use.... Want to minimum risk? Get a vendor with a US (or wherever you are located) warehouse. If you have the time, get properly matched cells at eg Amy (Luyuan)

Indeed, this is what I've noticed too, now all results from the search are these scam stores and they do nothing to remove them :

 

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I ordered 20 cells supposedly "Grade A 320ah" from the 1999orders store on aliexpress on July 28th. I have experienced the exact same thing others reported about shipping, tracking and vendor communications.

The vendor has stopped responding to my last 2 messages specifically asking for a US based shipping company tracking number as the HJYT company apparently will not handling the shipping anymore after reaching the shores of the US.

My local USPS post office does not have any packages for me in their possession. I also spoke directly with DHL Ecommerce and without a DHL tracking number they cannot offer any assistance and don't even have a way to reverse lookup a specific address for pending delivery.

The tracking information as provided by HJYT directly and through the 17track website hasn't changed since August 22nd and is as follows...

2021-08-22 23:43
Destination, Item ready for pick up at a Post Office collection point against a notice of arrival or item code
2021-08-19 23:43
Destination, The consignment has arrived in the country of destination
2021-08-17 23:43
Oversea, The item is on transport to the country of destination
2021-08-12 23:43
Oversea, The item is processed at the Post sorting center
2021-08-06 23:43
Oversea, Consignment received at the PostNL Acceptance Centre
2021-08-01 23:43
HK, Arrival at export hub
2021-08-01 13:43
HK, Item is ready for transport
2021-07-31 17:43
SHENZHEN, RECEIVING AND PROCESSING CENTER HAS RECEIVED
2021-07-31 17:37
SHENZHEN, THE PARCELS HAVE BEEN PROCESSED
2021-07-29 08:09
货物电子信息已经收到


I live just outside Detroit, Michigan. I do not understand what the "PostNL" message means in the tracking information, all searches on phrase "PostNL" refer to the postal service in the Netherlands. My package should never need to go through Netherlands postal services.

I looked up PostNL a little further, it seems they also handle international shipping. I assume they are operating the container ship between Hong Kong and the US. The HJYT tracking number I have for my parcel does not work on their website either. I have seen other example tracking information on PostNL website indicating delivery times up to about 52 days total to the US. It looks like I am just coming up on about 56 days since ordering.

Also I would assume since the tracking information claims "Item ready for pick up at a Post Office collection point" that it should mean it has been unloaded from the shipping container at the port in the USA already. If that is the case then they already have had 32 days to go through customs and get transported from California to my doorstep in Michigan.

there are more than 10.000 orders already from this type of stores and now they are just noticing the package was not sent at all and ALiExpress dispute and seller say you picked up the package ... so what can we all do, we are so many, and we should all contact chat support to solve it for all of us ...


 

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I ordered 20 cells supposedly "Grade A 320ah" from the 1999orders store on aliexpress on July 28th. I have experienced the exact same thing others reported about shipping, tracking and vendor communications.

The vendor has stopped responding to my last 2 messages specifically asking for a US based shipping company tracking number as the HJYT company apparently will not handling the shipping anymore after reaching the shores of the US.

My local USPS post office does not have any packages for me in their possession. I also spoke directly with DHL Ecommerce and without a DHL tracking number they cannot offer any assistance and don't even have a way to reverse lookup a specific address for pending delivery.

The tracking information as provided by HJYT directly and through the 17track website hasn't changed since August 22nd and is as follows...

2021-08-22 23:43
Destination, Item ready for pick up at a Post Office collection point against a notice of arrival or item code
2021-08-19 23:43
Destination, The consignment has arrived in the country of destination
2021-08-17 23:43
Oversea, The item is on transport to the country of destination
2021-08-12 23:43
Oversea, The item is processed at the Post sorting center
2021-08-06 23:43
Oversea, Consignment received at the PostNL Acceptance Centre
2021-08-01 23:43
HK, Arrival at export hub
2021-08-01 13:43
HK, Item is ready for transport
2021-07-31 17:43
SHENZHEN, RECEIVING AND PROCESSING CENTER HAS RECEIVED
2021-07-31 17:37
SHENZHEN, THE PARCELS HAVE BEEN PROCESSED
2021-07-29 08:09
货物电子信息已经收到


I live just outside Detroit, Michigan. I do not understand what the "PostNL" message means in the tracking information, all searches on phrase "PostNL" refer to the postal service in the Netherlands. My package should never need to go through Netherlands postal services.

I looked up PostNL a little further, it seems they also handle international shipping. I assume they are operating the container ship between Hong Kong and the US. The HJYT tracking number I have for my parcel does not work on their website either. I have seen other example tracking information on PostNL website indicating delivery times up to about 52 days total to the US. It looks like I am just coming up on about 56 days since ordering.

Also I would assume since the tracking information claims "Item ready for pick up at a Post Office collection point" that it should mean it has been unloaded from the shipping container at the port in the USA already. If that is the case then they already have had 32 days to go through customs and get transported from California to my doorstep in Michigan.
postnl doesnt do shipping cargo, only air freight as far as i know, and only to or from the netherlands ( holland)
 

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I ordered 20 cells supposedly "Grade A 320ah" from the 1999orders store on aliexpress on July 28th. I have experienced the exact same thing others reported about shipping, tracking and vendor communications.
A first hint should be the "Grade A 320ah". There is no such product. There is another thread we posted about this fraud that is wild on all the Ali's. All the cell manufacturers do not have anything above 304AH in that physical size of a cell. They call them 320AH because you will "hopefully" get that capacity, but you can complain till the end of the world that the cell only meets manufacture specifications of 302AH. You will have no recourse as that is the spec.
 

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They call them 320AH because you will "hopefully" get that capacity, but you can complain till the end of the world that the cell only meets manufacture specifications of 302AH. You will have no recourse as that is the spec.
Most of the complainants would be happy to get 303ah!

These sites are a total scam and puts AliExpress and it's owner, Alibaba, under the spotlight for their failure to act against the obvious fraud from vendors on their site.
What would you suggest to help these hapless victims?
Maybe a complaint to the CCP, since they now have representation on the board of the companies, to organise some re-education of those involved.
 

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Most of the complainants would be happy to get 303ah!

These sites are a total scam and puts AliExpress and it's owner, Alibaba, under the spotlight for their failure to act against the obvious fraud from vendors on their site.
What would you suggest to help these hapless victims?
Maybe a complaint to the CCP, since they now have representation on the board of the companies, to organise some re-education of those involved.
First thing I would do is contact your state attorney General and verify the tax collected on every order is actually making it to the state. Then ask for the money back. You can get creative if you try.
 

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These Shops even have Time Machines, it 9 AM here, an 17Track states deliverd totay at 11:31 :) Of Course nothing was delivered. Luckly i had opened a dispute for changing shipping methode. I will wait, hat will happens.
 

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These Shops even have Time Machines, it 9 AM here, an 17Track states deliverd totay at 11:31 :) Of Course nothing was delivered. Luckly i had opened a dispute for changing shipping methode. I will wait, hat will happens.

mine was doing a stop at the same hour and minute every day (something impossible) and it is being delivered in the middle of the night, when nobody is working :
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also unsuccessful Dispute yet, they give credit to that nonsense exploit used to edit database of the shipping company :


collect in time.jpg
 

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These Shops even have Time Machines, it 9 AM here, an 17Track states deliverd totay at 11:31 :) Of Course nothing was delivered. Luckly i had opened a dispute for changing shipping methode. I will wait, hat will happens.

for you delivered in 14 days with oversea cargo shipment ?! that is such a funny thing ...
 

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I have a few Orders (6) in total open on Dispute for Lifepo Cells, 40 pcs a 280ah in Total, all from the same 3999orders, and 2 320ah from 1999orders.

Lets see, if Aliexpress smell a Rat here or if the get enough Tip to close the Dispute. It must be very suspect, when all Orders get lost.

Kai
 

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mine was doing a stop at the same hour and minute every day (something impossible) and it is being delivered in the middle of the night, when nobody is working :
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also unsuccessful Dispute yet, they give credit to that nonsense exploit used to edit database of the shipping company :


parcelView attachment 66084
I have checked you Parcel Number with AfterSale, 1Parcel and Cainiao, "Waiting for Shipment from Seller", No need to Wait for anything. Sorry for that. My Orders have the same Status.

Kai
 

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My Dispute was unsuccessfull, i have uploaded Video Evidence now, with Time Code

Kai
 

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evidence of what exactly ?

I have Videocameras in my Driveway and at my Frontdoor. No Delivery Guy there.
I have uploaded Pictures with Time/Date in the Picture from the reported Delivery Time.

I will upload it as video File if needed.

Kai
 

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I have Videocameras in my Driveway and at my Frontdoor. No Delivery Guy there.
I have uploaded Pictures with Time/Date in the Picture from the reported Delivery Time.

I will upload it as video File if needed.

Kai

my delivery time was 10 PM , no delivery works at that time
 

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Out of curiosity I Googled "17track.net Reviews" and is pages and pages of scam complaints.
 

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Out of curiosity I Googled "17track.net Reviews" and is pages and pages of scam complaints.

Haha, this scam from AliExpress has word wide effect against 17track.net that is used by scammer and who does noting to resolve the problem with the shipping comany being used by hackers .
I've now seen 1 star average reviews given to 17track here : https://www.facebook.com/17track/reviews (320 x 1 star review on facebook with 1 star average ... ) and here https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.17track.net (890 x 1 star review on trustpilot)

Sellers from AliExpress use an exploit or hack of the shipping company www 17post56.com or www hjyt56.com and they did not sent any package and claim using the link from 17track.net that the package was delivered and picked up by the buyer in 17 days to EUROPE by sea ?! The package is on sea from China to EU just 2 days ? What a scam ! Package also arrived on each stop at exactly the same hour is also a big proof of this fraud. Be aware of this FRAUD !
 
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