Crazy low prices on Aliexpress LifePO4 320A, with buyer protection?

DJSmiley

Solar Addict
The now seem to target 'known' stores as well, by copying their pages, including the 'official store' labels and names


Maybe those real stores (Which are copied) are more willing (And are in China) if they become aware, and might be able to add some pressure

Unfortunately, for those who are scammed it's difficult to get a refund, since you have to deal with a lot of companies involved, none of them willing to pay (Aliexpress, paypal, cc company). It's unlike they can get the refund at the scammer, so they aren't very keen on instant refunding.

And to be honest, the buyer is partially to blame too. If you did even the slighest research you would have known $940 for 16 280Ah NEW cells is impossible..
That's $58 / cell delivered...
With some research, you would have know its $80-$100 (varies over time) at least, without shipping. And there is no such thing as free shipping...

Blame the scammer off course, but blame yourself also for not doing any research and the instant-buy-because-the-price.....
 
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elvis_asaftei

Solar Enthusiast
People have to file reports.
The money goes somewhere, I am 100% certain the CCP could find them if motivated.

I advise everyone that reads this to open AliExpress online support and type "chat with an agent" and ask for a solution. I am doing this since august but can;t do that alone, only if we are many we can get this solved. Many of us already lost money.

I was asked to contact DHL by support and ask them to send the proof i did not pickup the package.
I contacted DHL, provided the tracking number and they said that there is an invalid format provided for the tracking number and they can only answer about the tracking numbers that have DHL format and that was registered into their system.

So result from ALiExpress dispute was this :

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But DHL said they only can provide information about valid tracking numbers of their system, if the tracking number is not valid it is obvious the package was never registered on their system.
 

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Lebman

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Update.. First store was closed I am not able to see the products nor the seller store anymore this was the 1.7k$ order and my dispute will be escalated to AE tomorrow so hoping AE did investigated and found the scam. Storename: 68825orders Store

Now waiting for the second order with another seller (68825orders Store) hope it will be closed also.
 

Choco

Solar Enthusiast
I got a response from Paypal, provide: "Proof of shipment showing item received"
That doesn't inspire confidence and makes no sense to me.
Lost all hope now.
 

elvis_asaftei

Solar Enthusiast
I got a response from Paypal, provide: "Proof of shipment showing item received"
That doesn't inspire confidence and makes no sense to me.
Lost all hope now.

I advise everyone who will read this to open AliExpress online support and type "chat with an agent" and ask for a solution. I am doing this since august but can't do that alone, only if we are many we can get this solved. Many of us already lost money.
 

ThaiKai

New Member
I filed a Policy Report today, its just for the Statistic, no way of Power in China for our Police.

Maybe this poor Guy can Help finding non existing delivered Parcels

vincent@hjyt56.com

Have Fun,
Kai
 
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sunshine

Solar Addict
Only FBI, Interpol, TV or CCP (China Communist Party) can do something about this by starting a global investigation
The CCP has a presence within AliExpress--

From the Global Times-
editor@globaltimes.com.cn


"According to the article, the number of Chinese Communist Party members have accounted for more than 30 percent of the overall employees at Alibaba's Beijing headquarters.

Currently, Alibaba Group has two headquarters in China, one in Beijing and the other located in Hangzhou. And, its health and entertainment divisions are also headquartered in Beijing.

Wang Hao, secretary of Chaoyang district Party committee who attended Alibaba's corporate Party committee founding ceremony, said that Alibaba should adhere to correct political directions and maintain political integrity. "


Maybe contact Wang Hoa and ask why he excluded honesty.
china_celac_forum@mfa.gov.cn
 

kuranaga

Solar Enthusiast
The CCP has a presence within AliExpress--

From the Global Times-
editor@globaltimes.com.cn


"According to the article, the number of Chinese Communist Party members have accounted for more than 30 percent of the overall employees at Alibaba's Beijing headquarters.

Currently, Alibaba Group has two headquarters in China, one in Beijing and the other located in Hangzhou. And, its health and entertainment divisions are also headquartered in Beijing.

Wang Hao, secretary of Chaoyang district Party committee who attended Alibaba's corporate Party committee founding ceremony, said that Alibaba should adhere to correct political directions and maintain political integrity. "


Maybe contact Wang Hoa and ask why he excluded honesty.
china_celac_forum@mfa.gov.cn

they have a mandate to sabotage western world, I tell you.
 

Andy6ft4Tall

Solar Enthusiast
postnl doesnt do shipping cargo, only air freight as far as i know, and only to or from the netherlands ( holland)
You are partly correct. PostNL is usually Air Freight. I get plenty of items from Aliexpress delivered to the UK-England via PostNL. In fact i have just had 2x JBD 200A BMS boards delivered today via PostNL. I have had heavier/larger items via PostNL that were transported by ship in the past. The question is will they air freight the 280Ah/320Ah cells that weight 5kgs (11 Lbs) each plus packaging? Stranger things have happened when the Chinese government decided to subsidise shipping. But i wouldn't hold my breath waiting for boxes of 4 cells weighing 20-25Kgs, to ever turn up. People just have to wait for the 75 day delivery clock to wind down to zero and open a case on Aliexpress if nothing turns up. Or do a charge-back/claw-back via paypal or your credit card. After all that messing around people will eventually do some research and find a reliable retailer and pay extra for cells that have genuine capacity. Plus the 2-4 extra months for the new cells to turn up.
 

Andy6ft4Tall

Solar Enthusiast
Really, did you bother to try?
Many banks (credit card companies) will require it (police report).
Certainly, the FBI will be interested in people being defrauded out of thousands of dollars by organized Chinese scams.
In the USA, the FBI is who you report computer fraud to.
The reality is you cant chase debts in China unless you have serious connections in the Chinese government.
Even companies moving manufacturing to China dont have any legal right.
If legal cases are taken to court inside China by None Chinese origin citizens (foreigner's), the courts always rule in favour of the Chinese person/company.
So sadly emails from another country wont make an ounce of difference.
Even from the police/FBI etc.
This has always been the case.
It's a Chinese cultural system to ultimately protect Chinese Citizens.
 

kuranaga

Solar Enthusiast
The reality is you cant chase debts in China unless you have serious connections in the Chinese government.
Even companies moving manufacturing to China dont have any legal right.
If legal cases are taken to court inside China by None Chinese origin citizens (foreigner's), the courts always rule in favour of the Chinese person/company.
So sadly emails from another country wont make an ounce of difference.
Even from the police/FBI etc.
This has always been the case.
It's a Chinese cultural system to ultimately protect Chinese Citizens.
only if the company has establishments in the US or EU (e.g. warehouse) and you can get at them there. So in conclusion you should buy from companies who have local warehouses
 

Andy6ft4Tall

Solar Enthusiast
If you are going to open a case with Aliexpress/Paypal/Credit Card, just remember to be polite.
Your dealing with a person that has to deal with complaints every day.
Yes it is frustrating and understandably you as the buyer are upset because you paid out a lot of money and waited 2-3 months and nothing has been delivered. You have every right to be Angry but try to keep that to yourself.
Just keep things civil and explain the problem calmly.
Gather all the supporting evidence you can.
If you treat the people with respect at Aliexpress, Paypal, Credit Card company, They are much more likely to help you resolve the problem.
If you are screaming and shouting and rude to the people you are expecting to help with your claim, It's likely they wont go out of their way to resolve your problem.

I have been buying directly from China for over 20 years and YES i have had items go missing or get damaged and even scammers trying to take my money. You can have the same thing happen when buying items from your own country/town/city.

It's not nice but if you deal with people in call centres/offices politely, your more likely to get the result you want.
 

kuranaga

Solar Enthusiast
If you are going to open a case with Aliexpress/Paypal/Credit Card, just remember to be polite.
Your dealing with a person that has to deal with complaints every day.

It's not nice but if you deal with people in call centres/offices politely, your more likely to get the result you want.
ps same thing happens also on Ebay, AirBNB IN the US. Ive been ripped of $2000 on AirBNB, I was ripped off by Uber in Florida and so on. The big difference however so far, was I had no any issues to get my money back from US based companies, simple evidence was enough in most cases to get a 100% refund without long dispute with them. And sometimes I even got a coupon code on top from them etc. Something that apparently does not happen with these Ali companies!
 

Just John

Photon Sorcerer
I am not sure why the persisting with Aliexpress. You have a police report, now open a formal dispute with your credit card company. Get your money back. Let the guys with computer fraud departments handle it. There are federal liability limits.
 

elvis_asaftei

Solar Enthusiast
I filed a Policy Report today, its just for the Statistic, no way of Power in China for our Police.

Maybe this poor Guy can Help finding non existing delivered Parcels

vincent@hjyt56.com

Have Fun,
Kai

What was the answer from Vicent ?

Can anyone contact company www 17post56.com AND www hjyt56.com that are the ones that are being used for this scam on their contact telephone or WeChat app and explain them the gravity of the situation ?

Each day I see order number increasing and new fake stores are now created with names that are not in the same format and they also already have a few pages of only 5 star reviews so if we don't stop that 2 companies of spreading this scam each day many hones persons loose their money thinking that they are protected but as you can see already at least 1000 persons already lost the dispute that was in favor of the seller that already had the shop suspended and surprise ... AliExpress is not returning the money even if they suspended the shop, so they are also a part of the fraud, first because they let since August till October more than 100 fake stores with duplicated product images and product description (all have identical products for sale) and also now because they rule the dispute in favor of the seller. They say to provide evidence that you did "not pickup the package from local pickup center" ?! Witch one ? What is the local forwarder ? Who to ask from more than 30 local delivery companies ?

So each one that does something, anything they can will help the community and will stop this fraud eventually, each one with an idea and an action.
Thank you all.
 

elvis_asaftei

Solar Enthusiast
I am not sure why the persisting with Aliexpress. You have a police report, now open a formal dispute with your credit card company. Get your money back. Let the guys with computer fraud departments handle it. There are federal liability limits.

Yes, I explained above, only way to solve this is by doing something each one of us, together we will succeed :

"
Can anyone contact company www 17post56.com AND www hjyt56.com that are the ones that are being used for this scam on their contact telephone or WeChat app and explain them the gravity of the situation ?
Each day I see order number increasing and new fake stores are now created with names that are not in the same format and they also already have a few pages of only 5 star reviews so if we don't stop that 2 companies of spreading this scam each day many hones persons loose their money thinking that they are protected but as you can see already at least 1000 persons already lost the dispute that was in favor of the seller that already had the shop suspended and surprise ... AliExpress is not returning the money even if they suspended the shop, so they are also a part of the fraud, first because they let since August till October more than 100 fake stores with duplicated product images and product description (all have identical products for sale) and also now because they rule the dispute in favor of the seller. They say to provide evidence that you did "not pickup the package from local pickup center" ?! Witch one ? What is the local forwarder ? Who to ask from more than 30 local delivery companies ?
So each one that does something, anything they can will help the community and will stop this fraud eventually, each one with an idea and an action.
Thank you all.
"
 

elvis_asaftei

Solar Enthusiast
If you are going to open a case with Aliexpress/Paypal/Credit Card, just remember to be polite.
Your dealing with a person that has to deal with complaints every day.
Yes it is frustrating and understandably you as the buyer are upset because you paid out a lot of money and waited 2-3 months and nothing has been delivered. You have every right to be Angry but try to keep that to yourself.
Just keep things civil and explain the problem calmly.
Gather all the supporting evidence you can.
If you treat the people with respect at Aliexpress, Paypal, Credit Card company, They are much more likely to help you resolve the problem.
If you are screaming and shouting and rude to the people you are expecting to help with your claim, It's likely they wont go out of their way to resolve your problem.

I have been buying directly from China for over 20 years and YES i have had items go missing or get damaged and even scammers trying to take my money. You can have the same thing happen when buying items from your own country/town/city.

It's not nice but if you deal with people in call centres/offices politely, your more likely to get the result you want.

I think that under 1% of the scammed persons know about this thread, and 900 already wrote about their problem to trustpilot reviews
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.17track.net or their Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/17track/reviews but guess what, even them did nothing to correct the situation that they are part of too because they are being used too to promote the issue, they could have suspended the 2 hacked shipping companies from being used by the scammers and / or contact them, but they did nothing too, sometimes you wonder how much can a company put the head int he sand as nothing happened as an ostrich ?
 

danelo616

New Member
Yes, I explained above, only way to solve this is by doing something each one of us, together we will succeed :

"
Can anyone contact company www 17post56.com AND www hjyt56.com that are the ones that are being used for this scam on their contact telephone or WeChat app and explain them the gravity of the situation ?
Each day I see order number increasing and new fake stores are now created with names that are not in the same format and they also already have a few pages of only 5 star reviews so if we don't stop that 2 companies of spreading this scam each day many hones persons loose their money thinking that they are protected but as you can see already at least 1000 persons already lost the dispute that was in favor of the seller that already had the shop suspended and surprise ... AliExpress is not returning the money even if they suspended the shop, so they are also a part of the fraud, first because they let since August till October more than 100 fake stores with duplicated product images and product description (all have identical products for sale) and also now because they rule the dispute in favor of the seller. They say to provide evidence that you did "not pickup the package from local pickup center" ?! Witch one ? What is the local forwarder ? Who to ask from more than 30 local delivery companies ?
So each one that does something, anything they can will help the community and will stop this fraud eventually, each one with an idea and an action.
Thank you all.
"
I contacted them on Friday, but got no response.

My seller has many open disputes because they say in the comments that they have done the same to him as they have done to all of us.

What is Aliexpress doing with this store? NOTHING.

There still scamming hundreds of people every day.
 

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Lebman

New Member
Update.. after uploading the proof of fake tracking ID and changing my tracking with one or digits findings all tracking status are the same, and after the shop was closed on AE, and after I ve received an official email from local post that they dont recognize the tracking ID, AE dispute judgement was that my reason is INVALID.
 

danelo616

New Member
Update.. after uploading the proof of fake tracking ID and changing my tracking with one or digits findings all tracking status are the same, and after the shop was closed on AE, and after I ve received an official email from local post that they dont recognize the tracking ID, AE dispute judgement was that my reason is INVALID.
Open dispute in PayPal or CC
 
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