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Dead batteries every morning

One of the questions that I want to ask is if I install 3 MT4diodes at the combiner box would their measly resistance add up to be enough to be noticed on the MT50. and if that fixes it, them my old ass only has to crawl up on to the roof one time. Did I mention that I'm afraid of heights. and I have an old ass. but that's not as bad as having to crawl up under the house. I just know there are cooties under there.
 
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You don't need diodes and I don't think you're going to be crawling on your roof. What you need to do is check each battery individually on its own and see what it's status is. Can you detail the exact battery and whether it has Bluetooth so that you can see what it's up to internally?
 
question? if they went into any protected mode, like low temp, low voltage the voltage then should just hold at where ever it's at, Right?
Not usually, they'll go into an open circuit mode, where measuring the voltage with a high-impedance voltmeter with no other loads may indicate something, but without proper documentation it's hard to tell. Some batteries have separate charge and discharge FETs, so you can still discharge them (in which case a low-temperature disconnect will just prevent charging, but discharging will work OK, and the voltage will remain sane, but less expensive BMS may just disconnect them entirely). Low voltage will not hold at the low-voltage disconnect voltage, but will drop to zero with any kind of load.

Did that make sense? There are a lot of moving parts there...
 
yes, this morning I did that. notta, no voltage.
that has me thinking it may be intermittent and it's just behaving well now.
all to test again in the morning. with the load off and I'll make note the voltage then.
Yes with no battery voltage nothing moves. Need to check in the early evening to have a full battery and see where the amps are flowing.
 
Ah, OK:

That makes more sense, all the batteries need to get enough time at 'fully charged' to internally balance their cells. Otherwise they'll get unbalanced and take themselves offline without you noticing, which may be what's happening here.
Yes with only 40A of charging current available on a 500ah bank and batteries deeply discharged. He likely doesn't spend enough time charging above 27v
 
Can you detail the exact battery and whether it has Bluetooth so that you can see what it's up to internally?
sure I can. that would be when my non existent indivudal battery disconnects would make that an easy job.
but I can take those reading tomorrow,
 
very easy to put the DC clamp-on ammeter to the cables and look for zero amps going backward.

yes, this morning I did that. notta, no voltage.
that has me thinking it may be intermittent and it's just behaving well now.
all to test again in the morning. with the load off and I'll make note the voltage then.
That's not what he said, use an AMMETER to determine current flow, so you know if you batteries are discharging. Deterimining SOC from battery voltage (except at the knees) is second only in inaccuracy to weighing the batteries. 🤓
 
He likely doesn't spend enough time charging above 27v
most days they are at 28-29ish at mid day sun. the close of the day they are usually around 27
and a normal morning that are no lower than 26ish. and are back to full bars by 11 am.
 
That's not what he said, use an AMMETER to determine current flow,
ya kinda lost me there, that's what I did, A clamp on amp meter no flow.

tonight I will turn on the load and the array and see if it is intermittent.
if the voltage is where it was normally at then I will have to wait to see if it does it again.
tomorrow I can record the individual batteries voltages But like I said, It's cold out there
did I also mention I don't like cold? haha
 
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most days they are at 28-29ish at mid day sun. the close of the day they are usually around 27
and a normal morning that are no lower than 26ish. and are back to full bars by 11 am.
That should be enough, unless some of the batteries have taken themselves offline due to cell {over, under}protection. I really think you need to isolate the batteries to determine if all of them are working.
 
ya kinda lost me there, that's what I did, A clamp on amp meter no flow.
OK, but then you lost me at "notta, no voltage." on your clamp-on ammeter.

It's a DC ammeter, yes? Can you measure the charge current on each battery mid-morning (before they are fully charged, but when you are producing a lot of charge current) and make sure they are somewhat close to each other?
 
OK, but then you lost me at "notta, no voltage." on your clamp-on ammeter.

It's a DC ammeter, yes? Can you measure the charge current on each battery mid-morning (before they are fully charged, but when you are producing a lot of charge current) and make sure they are somewhat close to each other?
yes I have done balance and charge testing before, about 6 month ago when the batteries were replaced (and upgraded from 4 to 6)
yes I found one that was bad. it's just a PITA to "carefully" disconnect them all.
that bad battery had a whole nutter set of symptoms. but I'm game to do it for the advice I can get here
 
Good question. An AC Ammeter will not produce a useful value on DC.
Fluke clamp on meter set to amps,,, I said it wrong . my brain said amps but my fingers types volts. I just washed them and can't do a thing with them.
 
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Fluke clamp on meter set to amps
Does your Fluke clamp-on ammeter read AC and DC amps? Fluke has a whole lot of test equipment available...

Not trying to be anal-retentive about this, but this is a detail that really matters. I mean, you said you did this before, but an AC ammeter might read something if there's sufficient ripple from an MPPT SCC...
 
Select and order the breakers and carefully
now I'm embarrassed, yes coach. I will need to do some math to speck out there breaker load.
the whole bank shuts at 300 amps
 
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I have ordered some 30amp MC4blocking diodes
These are a waste of money, with zero benefits.

Do you reach a full charge (above 3.45v per cell) regularly, in order to let the BMS's balance your cells?
If not, you are probably experiencing reduced capacity.
 
you are probably experiencing reduced capacity.
no, I'm experiencing batteries that have had so many of my free range electrons pulled out if them over night with no more load than the inverter and controller's idle draw that the BMS has turned the bank off and then it stops the draw. . but only if the array is connected. with the array disconnected there is no draw and the next morning the bank's voltage is where is is on any other morning before this started 4 days ago
 
no, I'm experiencing batteries that have had so many of my free range electrons pulled out if them over night with no more load than the inverter and controller's idle draw that the BMS has turned the bank off and then it stops the draw. . but only if the array is connected. with the array disconnected there is no draw and the next morning the bank's voltage is where is is on any other morning before this started 4 days ago
Sounds like a faulty charge controller.
How many Kwh's are being drained?
And, over how many hours?
 

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