Ecoflow Powerstream

Jordi

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Just saw one of the recent releases from Ecoflow called Powerstream. It is like an hybrid microinverter with an elegant data visualization (wattages coming in and out) that allows a certain degree of power management, like how much you inject to your home or the grid (in case of surplus), or even which element in the system gets priority; loads or battery.

https://eu.ecoflow.com/pages/powerstream

The microeinverter can work without a battery injecting everything to the loads or grid, else it can work with an Ecoflow (only) power station (battery). Additionally, using an Ecoflow smart plug you can use the energy more efficiently (or so they claim) but at first it seems to me just a regular on/off wifi switch plug with power measurement.

The microinverter has a max. capacity of 800W and costs 369 euros which compared to most hybrid inverters is much less; though the price per kW is not that far or even higher than the one you'd pay for a 3kW hybrid inverter. Moreover, you will have to pay much more for your storage capacity because you can only use Ecoflow power stations a 1.000 eur per kWh of battery (depending on size) while a simple 1.280Wh Renogy battery would cost you nowadays less than 450 euros.

So, all together I find this is a great system for people willing to test hybrid systems before they buy a big one; people that can perceive a financial incentive from a better power management or maybe people that want to have a certain protection against blackouts while preserving the grid-tied function. The pro's in my opinion are the accurate and elegant visualization and monitoring of the system and the power management freedom.

The cons in my opinion are that I do not see any feasible payback on this system, thus why would somebody in an apartment with grid install this hybrid microinverter at a loss? There it made more sense to put a simple grid-tied microinverter without battery. Adding an Ecoflow battery is too expensive and it probably comes with limitations. I believe people with a basic understanding of solar and batteries can do way better with a diy battery pack.

In my opinion, this microinverter does not make sense in an off-grid setup (you can charge the power station directly and manage the power from there). Does not make sense in a grid-tied setup because it is too small. So; what is it really for If you are looking forward to a payback?

Your thoughts are welcome.
 
Hi Jordi,

I have seen this on a youtube video today and was quite interested in it. Like you, I felt the cost of the ecoflow package wasn't great.

Have you come across many DIY versions?

The ecoflow Powerstream seemed like a perfect fit as I'm not in a position to get a large fixed array. Im renting in the UK and have a small garden where I could temporarily set up 2-5 panels and maybe a small-to-medium battery of 2-5kwh. Of course I am grid-tied and likely wont be able to do much in the way of modifying the electrics.

I didn't know if there was much interest in smaller setups.

Regards,
Si
 
Hi Jordi,

I have seen this on a youtube video today and was quite interested in it. Like you, I felt the cost of the ecoflow package wasn't great.

Have you come across many DIY versions?

The ecoflow Powerstream seemed like a perfect fit as I'm not in a position to get a large fixed array. Im renting in the UK and have a small garden where I could temporarily set up 2-5 panels and maybe a small-to-medium battery of 2-5kwh. Of course I am grid-tied and likely wont be able to do much in the way of modifying the electrics.

I didn't know if there was much interest in smaller setups.

Regards,
Si
There are many different setups I would recommend you depending on many different factors.

Until now; I am in the same situation you are with 2 changes, what I rent is an apartment (balcony) and it is in The Netherlands (NL).
So for me the determinant values are: Regulation and Consumption profile.

In NL legalization of an installation is a free diy process that takes 2 days.
2023 there is net balance (produce-consume=pay) which will disappear progressively over the coming 10 years to become a "simplified compensation" (surplus paid at lower kWh value).

One universal setup is when the country has net balance: PV array and grid-tied inverter from Aliexpress. Super cheap, portable, does the job.

When the country requires a certified electrician to legalize the installation and the compensation scheme is simplified. You can choose to avoid that by having:
1) Portable off-grid system for one fraction of your home.
2) Grid-tied system with zero exports.
3) Grid-tied system with donated exports (so long you don't get a fine).

The best option is probably (3).

Whether Ecoflow Powertstream is recommended or not I think would depend on consumption profile.
- Is your idle consumption high?
Then better get a grid-tied inverter with battery mode (means you choose a fixed current to be injected to your home).
That requires a MPPT controller (85euros), a battery 1kWh (400euros) and a cheap inverter from Aliexpress (100euros).
There are many ways to use a regular grid-tied inverter at a constant current (eg. using a DC-DC converter).

- Is your idle consumption <5W but have appliances working a considerable amount of hours per day?
[Mind I do not consider idle the fridge because it actually works just 8-12 hours per day approx.]
Then a system like Ecoflow Powerstream is better because in combination with smartplugs it can detect consumptions and adjust the injection to the grid according to them. However, Aliexpress once more does the trick and If you are willing to diy a bit; they have a 1kW inverter with clamp-on meter that offsets consumption of your whole home in one single unit without having to buy 4-5 smart plugs a 36 euros per unit. Assuming that it works as specified.

Grid Tie Inverter 1000W with limiter

Ecoflow: 369 eur inverter + 114 eur 3 smart plugs + 1.200 eur 1kWh Ecoflow Delta + 30 eur connecting cable = 1.713 eur
Alternative: 85 eur Victron Smart MPPT (360W)+ 450 eur Ecoflow 24V 1,2kWh + 200 eur inverter + 30 eur general material = 765 euros + some personal efforts.

So yeah, Ecoflow Powerstream is super easy to install, has better power management functions, great monitoring and is very hassle free, but you do pay for it.
 
I installed this today, takes 5 minutes and you're up and running. I think the idea is more that they sell more Ecoflow batteries, the powerstream unit itself is priced quite low imo. Especially in Europe where they are discounted.
If they have this extra box, it makes more sense to buy the battery for some people because you're not just using it as a backup or for camping. You can also use it at home now.
I already had an Ecoflow and some panels, so the Powerstream was a no brainer and will pay for itself very quickly.

I must say that for the price the Powerstream is very well build and designed. I might get one for my business as well without a battery, where I have a continuous 800w load all day but nothing at night. I don't agree that this makes no economical sense. I literally see 700w at the panels now and could pay for just the Powerstream, smartplug and two panels in less than two years. Energy prices are high, this is a no brainer at just over €300 plus €250 for a few panels (for me).

I'm sure you can buy cheaper stuff on AliExpress, but it won't be as user friendly or nice as this.

I agree the Ecoflow battery is overpriced. But it has other uses, especially if you are fully offgrid. Running powertools far away from your house. Backup in case my main solar system fails. Rechargeable extra capacity at my cabin in December when solar output is almost zero. I can charge it fast from a gas generator, or even at a car charger at the nearest gas station. It's portable and flexible, but not that efficient and expensive.
So I'm happy that I get some more use out of it now with the Powerstream added.
 
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This may be a noob question, apologies, but I am just trying to get this right in my head.

I do not want to send anything back to the mains grid and have an average operating wattage of two to three hundred all the time. Am I right in assuming that with this, Powerstream, I could use the existing solar panels I have inherited (400w) and just have them feed whatever they produce to offset the constant I am pulling from the grid? Would this effectively, in the most ideal circumstances and during the day cover the two hundred watts my home consumes?
 
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Yes, you would simply set your basic usage to 200w and it will only feed 200w into your power system. Off course it only does this during full sun hours, but you don't necessarily need a battery in that case. If you have the panels already it's not a huge investment either. Make sure the spec of the panel is within the spec of the Powerstream, but most 400w panels will be.
I would also get a smartplug or two, as you could power an additional device as needed. Let's say you put this on a 100w coffee machine, as soon as the machine turns on the plug tells the system to feed an extra 100w into the house if available. Very clever stuff.
 
Any ideas how legal it is in the UK? Don't you need DNO approval for it ?
 
Any ideas how legal it is in the UK? Don't you need DNO approval for it ?
Just to help anyone else reading this thread... here is a link to my response to the same question that you asked in a different thread
 
I am wondering what will happen if I install Ecoflow Powerstream microinverter inside the house which is connected to "dumb" hybrid inverter which does not know about AC coupling, about frequency shifting when grid is off etc.

As I understood from several videos on YouTube, if there is no load and the house is temporary off-grid, but 220VAC is provided by a hybrid inverter from the battery and microinverter doesn't know about it, I can have my hybrid inverter burned.

Another question will it charge my Ecoflow Delta 2 in case Ecoflow Powerstream is not connected to the 220VAC wall socket in the house?
 
OK.I've spent several hours of watching the real life non-marketing reviews.

It seems like the Powerstream can charge an Ecoflow extra battery or Ecoflow power station when the socket is disconnected or the grid is off. At least I have found one video to demon it.

Charging an Ecoflow product simultaneously via solar port and Powerstream has no sense as these two cannot work in parallel.

It is described the Powerstream provides to the AC network only that load which is required by smart plugs + a baseload which can be set in the app. In other words if you know baseload (PON, WiFI, idle Power supplies, smart sockets), you can set this value in the app and feel more or less on the safe side and do not backfeed your main hybrid inverter when the grid is off. This is the link to the excellent review of the product
 
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