I really like the idea where they split the generator input and smart loads apart. Opens up new possibilities.
EG4 12000XP off grid option
- Thread starter CJ Solar
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Yeah I'm hoping I can set this up so it only powers the smart loads output when there's active generator input, then if my generator shuts off it'll automatically kill the smart loads. This seems like a pretty obvious use case so I would imagine it'll do this natively.
Darkwing
New Member
Quick stupid question...do they actually benefit from the tax deduction for solar/energy efficient appliances?
I would advise thoroughly reading this, but yeah as part of a solar or home backup system it may be eligible for a 30% tax credit.
Homeowner’s Guide to the Federal Tax Credit for Solar Photovoltaics
This guide provides an overview of the federal investment tax credit for those interested in residential solar photovoltaics, or PV.
Darkwing
New Member
Hmmm, reads like it needs to be installed and running to claim...buying now on pile to save the next 4 years import tax increase seems not to be covered...and i am not sure it i will be able to effort batteries after buying this puppy for a while...(i never buy anything (except house and car) that doesnt fit into the paycheck or fits on a credit card and can be paid of in a couple month)
DIYrich
Solar Wizard
If you buy it, wire it in, and either: 1) add panels to min voltage; or 2) add one 5kWh battery, then you would qualify. It just has to work. It doesn't have to work well.
Darkwing
New Member
Thx for the answer.
I already have the stuff in my cart, just waiting for black friday to see if there will be some deal.
Or...an "Off-GridBoss".
killercarver
New Member
I'm running a pair of 12000XPs, and am pretty darn happy. Haven't tried the smart loads, but I'm running the whole house right now anyway. There was a firmware issue that was causing it to "overload" when batteries fully charged, but was resolved last week and man, these things are sweet!
soozler
New Member
I am in the same situation. I paid for the stuff in December, but it won't even arrive before the end of the year. It's unclear, to me, if a purchase in a previous year can be claimed when the system goes live or if you must have the system running within the same year that the equipment was purchased.
Either way, I bought two 12000XPs, 10 solar panels and batteries. I don't have any wiring and honestly was not planning on going solar for a few more years, but tarrif threats made me pull the trigger on the expensive imported components.
I plan to slowly purchase all of the other thousands of dollars of items over the next year or so.
I actually assumed that the tax credits would have been designed in a way that made it very hard for DIYers to claim a credit. In the past, it's tended to be "professionally installed" stuff that gets a rebate.
DIYrich
Solar Wizard
You can take the credit in the year the equipment is "placed in service" (running), or the year paid, whichever is later.
Darkwing
New Member
Bummer situation...but why 2x 12000xp's, i cannot imagine any situation in my house where i could use that much at a time.
And with you saying batterieS i assume plural?
I had to bail out...i dont have the funds to cough it all up right away...so my inverter, battery, PV project is most likely trumped for good...since following governments usually keep the tarifs the prior put in place...
But maybe the soup gets cooked hotter than it finally gets delivered and end up being still able to...lets see...
Good luck with your setup
NuDiyr2Eg4
Grid's gotta go!
Hello,
First post, I have purchased a 12000XP, I am a DIYr in the process of installation (so really cannot comment about the performance, but, feel, that for my needs (I plan to be 100% OFF Grid), it should do nicely. I will share a "mistake" I made, when purchasing. The way the "system was presented", I "got the impression" the 12000XP with a single EG4-280 Ah (indoor Lithium battery) would get me "started", but, after it was not until I received the system (over a month later), did I learn, that the EG412000XP requires a minimum of 400Au to "fully function", so that was another $3500. (after shipping), that I was NOT expecting.
NuDiyr2Eg4
Grid's gotta go!
Hello,
I have the same situation, I was blessed enough to have a "New" Yamaha EF2200iS (Inverter) generator gifted to me (not what I would have selected, but it did come in my favorite color "FREE". I am in process of installing my EG4 12000XP system, (my understanding is that it will "pass through" while charging), I will also be needing to use it in "gen boost" mode (so I am very interested in any comments on this subject), I too, find $500. a bit hard on the budget. Also interested in exactly how to hook this up (example: the manual recommends that it be grounded to the PE Lug within the inverter...I am guessing, that is only necessary if your generator has an "auto start" feature (mine is "yank & go"), so I am thinking that grounding it to the ground rod outside will be fine. Thanks Everyone
If you stay under 15000W on the 12000xp output then the 280Ah eg4 batteries are fine. They’ll do the 12000xp’s 18000W max for 3s, but the 12000xp can do the max for 5s, so it’s pretty close.
DIYrich
Solar Wizard
Yes, most BMS are limited to 200a, which is about 10kW for a nominal 48v battery. Even if the battery cells are capable of more (280a for a 280ah battery). So, three 5.1kW batteries (100ah), will have a higher sustained discharge rate (300a) than one 280ah battery (200a).
If you need to sustain more than 10kW continuous output, you probably need more inverter anyway.
NuDiyr2Eg4
Grid's gotta go!
NuDiyr2Eg4
Grid's gotta go!
Thank You Mondurr !
I was thinking that I had to wait until I could afford the second battery, before I could even "screw in a light bulb". So it really helps to know, that I can at least start moving some of the smaller/simpler circuits over ( from my grid LC, to my Off grid LC ), my plan is to slowly/carefully "ween" our home, off the power grid.
Because the help I am getting from this forum, most of the stress is gone. I got the advise I needed to ground and bond my system, and great advise on how to hook up my small (gas) Inverter Generator, and now (from you) the encouragement I needed to go ahead and fire the thing up.
All this, in just a couple of days!
Thanks to all !
DIYrich
Solar Wizard
My whole house is under 2kW most of the time, and rarely goes above 5kW (100a). Only time I went over 12kW is when I tested it out and turned on everything.
If you can stay under 10kW, then you don't need the 2nd battery.
NuDiyr2Eg4
Grid's gotta go!
Thank You ! DIYrich
(like that name...I consider myself to be a quite wealthy DIYr and happily married for 36 years to boot)
Thanks for the input, (especially considering that I do have a small gas Inverter Generator) that I will be adding soon. I feel much better about going forward.
It is just myself and my wife (for now), but, I have been converting one room to an Air B&B, once that is complete, it might become a "must have".
I no longer feel l like I have to throw my finances into a "tail spin", just so I can start seeing some relief from our electric companies "gouging".
So grateful for this forum, and everyone on it.
(like that name...I consider myself to be a quite wealthy DIYr and happily married for 36 years to boot)
Thanks for the input, (especially considering that I do have a small gas Inverter Generator) that I will be adding soon. I feel much better about going forward.
It is just myself and my wife (for now), but, I have been converting one room to an Air B&B, once that is complete, it might become a "must have".
I no longer feel l like I have to throw my finances into a "tail spin", just so I can start seeing some relief from our electric companies "gouging".
So grateful for this forum, and everyone on it.
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