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EG4 18kPV 12lv can't be used in Cali as of aug 28 2023

I have found that PG&E has their own list of equipment/requirements and the CEC list is the minimum.
The only way to see the PG&E list is during the application process. The 18kpv is now on the PG&E list of inverters
for grid tied without a battery? (maybe < 10 KWh battery size i think) but not on the list I need (>10 KWh battery)
(cause you MIGHT import the precious PG&E power during the day and resell it back to them at night and somehow that would be bad....)
 
I have found that PG&E has their own list of equipment/requirements and the CEC list is the minimum.
The only way to see the PG&E list is during the application process. The 18kpv is now on the PG&E list of inverters
for grid tied without a battery? (maybe < 10 KWh battery size i think) but not on the list I need (>10 KWh battery)
(cause you MIGHT import the precious PG&E power during the day and resell it back to them at night and somehow that would be bad....)
Precious indeed! haha. Solar good, um.. well only up to a point! That is odd that they would limit that, do they allow other inverters with batteries over 10? How would they tell if you just decided to add a battery a few months later?
 
I would guess they could tell if you sold back more than your production/battery size in a given night?
Also the 18Kpv has been on the CEC list as an inverter for 6 months now, but not all the boxes have been checked
(CRD-PCS functionality among others)
 
Note that if/when CRD PCS ever gets added to the UL listing, the intersection of 18kpv’s PCS modes and PG&E’s allowed PCS modes may not include any modes you care to use

I want a charge from solar only PCS Mode that will force discharge when peak starts, AND the ability to enable charge from grid/disable forced discharge. Set the first mode in summer and second mode in winter. That would enable me to go on EV rate with super peak and off peak.
 
Persons in California have options to rid themselves of this messy situation.

If you have an existing NEM agreement in place, but want to add batteries and reduce your true up costs due to changing electric consumption, then this is a way forward:

1. Add additional PV power.
2. Add a hybrid inverter that is not grid tied.
3. Add your desired batteries.
4. Add a large subpanel.
5. Add a backup generator.
6. Reroute some of your branch circuits to the subpanel.
7. Have this off-grid system addition permitted, inspected and approved.

The end result is now 2 separate systems, grid tied and off grid. This will vastly reduce the amount of kWh you consume from the utility and make you immune to their constant price hikes. An even if they hike prices, the impact on say 500 kWh vs 1500 kWh a month is a lot less.
 
Thanks, appreciate the update. Hopefully someone who knows how this specific mode intersects with Rule21 can weigh in.

@Markus_EG4 Does limiting AC charge from grid affect AC charge and self consumption from AC coupled solar?

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I just went on the California CEC website and the EG4 18K inverter is listed as approved and a hybrid inverter. Period, end of story.
 
You are simply incorrect and are not properly setting up your searches. You search Manufacturer's EG4 and Model Names = ALL. 4 records will come up and the last is the 18k PV.
The pushback from POCO were about missing PCS, which covers things like 10kW limiter OR other required modes for ESS. I believe EG4 went with 10kW limiter option.

And it was on the hybrid inverter list at the time this issue came up on the forum.
 
BTW a lot of the other popular inverters on this forum ARE on the PCS list. SolArk, SPH and MIN Growatts, ...

LuxPower was known to be listed before.

The EG4 listing certificate and chassis labeling has a different product code from LuxPower.
 
We are approved everything is going through the process to get posted with CEC or PG&E or wherever. I would estimate 2 weeks or so.

Any update on timing for this?

There haven't been any changes to EG4 inverters on the approved list and they still don't say approved for PCS.
 
The 18kPV is CEC listed. However, we are still waiting for the PCS listing.
I wouldn't spend a lot of time or effort on getting the PCS listing. In CA, people are running all around trying to slap up Tesla Powerwall 3 as fast as they can like selling 5 cent popsicles from a Good Humor truck. That's a tough compete.
 

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