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Electrician cost, is this normal now?

3/4 of the contractors in our area won't even return a call. there's a huge shortage of trade workers. they can charge whatever they want and pick whatever jobs they want. it's nuts.
Ain't that the truth. I recently RFQed hardieplank siding for unit 1 of my development, a 3 storey 3,077sqft house. I provide all materials and they provide labor and tools. Of the SIXTEEN contractors I contacted, only two responded -- $35,000!! Labor and tools only. For one house! Fsck that, it's why I train and run my own crews.

…you are prejudicial
(sic)
This is embarrassing...
 
Generally speaking, I would bet providing your own materials is the cause for half of contractors not responding or taking a job.

Time AND materials is how they make money. If you take away the materials, they will charge more for labor, if they quote it at all.
 
Generally speaking, I would bet providing your own materials is the cause for half of contractors not responding or taking a job.

Time AND materials is how they make money. If you take away the materials, they will charge more for labor, if they quote it at all.

Unfortunately, this is absolutely true.
 
Idc. I'll have my crew do it for 1/4 the cost. PLUS I get WOTC tax credits for them, $7,645 last year. Laser and Gecko Gauge for flawless install. Yeah it'll take longer... I'll hire more.
 
Ain't that the truth. I recently RFQed hardieplank siding for unit 1 of my development, a 3 storey 3,077sqft house. I provide all materials and they provide labor and tools. Of the SIXTEEN contractors I contacted, only two responded -- $35,000!! Labor and tools only. For one house! Fsck that, it's why I train and run my own crews.
I mean, I'm totally uneducated on this field of work, but that sounds like a crazy price even if that included materials... I'll learn how to do it myself at that price!!
 
Well, I like this post. Many doctors are not graded in medical school. Just being accepted to an American medical school is an arduous task of itself with very low probability rates. It's four years of the medical student being closely examined by professors and clinical staff to be weeded out. It's often pass or fail. It's pass national tests, pass direct clinical supervision. Doctors get hundreds of oral and written evaluations before they are allowed to practice and also are directly reviewed and scrutinized by their peers and the hospital administrations when they join a medical staff. They receive over 50 hours of advanced continuing medical education yearly and license renewals as well as testing. They directly interact with their peers daily who relay their opinions if things are going South. Still some are better at diagnosis and treatment than others and that's a fact. Very, very few physicians get by being substandard in their profession. However, even the worst of the doctors is supposed to be competent.
What separates a true professional from an amateur is that the professional has to do a quality job up to standards set in the community whether they feel like it or not, whether they are tired, stressed, have a headache or a sick family member. They do this day after day, regardless if they had a sleepless night or are getting divorced. If you are not getting the quality of work that is the normal for the community, then the job is not being professionally done.

People remember a few things that they always tell their friends: where they had a bad meal, how their doctor or dentist was, good or bad and which of their family members are nuts.

In the case of most tradesmen, you have time to get some quotes. In the case of a doctor, you may have time to choose, you may not have time to choose. And frankly, the only person who could tell you in advance if another physician is any good is another physician! Period.
Absent being a physician, I would always look for Board Certifications in the Specialty, a quality education from an American, Canadian or Western European medical school and then training in the USA at quality programs and lastly, someone with at least 5 years or more practicing, but younger than age 70. This tells you that the doctor has interacted with many, many people who would identify and have them retrained or removed rather than let them skate by.
Personal experience is that my 70+ dermatologist still did fine, had an assistant do any procedures which required a steady hand.
 
I find it very beneficially to reach out to friends or friends of friends. Usually someone knows someone that can help. That's what I did for my disconnect install. AEP had some very specific requirements and I wanted to get it correct. In the end, we ended up doing it together because "solar" was scary. It was just a disconnect between my ATS and the meter, it was pretty easy. I saved a ton going that route and thankfully didn't have to deal with all the permit nonsense. That adds so much to some of these projects. Good luck!
 
Generally speaking, I would bet providing your own materials is the cause for half of contractors not responding or taking a job.

Time AND materials is how they make money. If you take away the materials, they will charge more for labor, if they quote it at all.
I needed to replace a lift pump on a septic effluent tank. I called the pump company who made the diagnosis and told me that the pump and labor was $1,400.00. However, they told me that they could not obtain the pump for 5 business days. I located the pump at a large plumbing distributor. The pump company told me they do not buy from plumbing distributors, just pump distributors, so they would not get the pump. But I could get the pump for them to install. I purchased the pump and was able to pick it up at the distributor will call.

Then the pump company installed and charged me $2,200 for labor since I didn't have them supply the pump. they had me by the short hairs so to speak. But no more business ever for them.
 
I needed to replace a lift pump on a septic effluent tank. I called the pump company who made the diagnosis and told me that the pump and labor was $1,400.00. However, they told me that they could not obtain the pump for 5 business days. I located the pump at a large plumbing distributor. The pump company told me they do not buy from plumbing distributors, just pump distributors, so they would not get the pump. But I could get the pump for them to install. I purchased the pump and was able to pick it up at the distributor will call.

Then the pump company installed and charged me $2,200 for labor since I didn't have them supply the pump. they had me by the short hairs so to speak. But no more business ever for them.
OK, $2200 nuts. I just replaced the float switch on mine a couple of months ago. I almost swapped the pump while I was in there, since I had to lift out the pump to get to the switch. It would have taken another 30 minutes to swap the pump, and I've never worked on one before. It took me longer to figure out what to do than it did to actually do the work.
 
This is embarrassing...
Why?
I’m a U.S. citizen and I do not fit the stereotype that was proffered as an infinitive. Nor do most people I know around here.
Offering a blanket statement about a nationality, ethnicity, socioeconomic group, etc. fits the definition of prejudicial; it did annoy me as a US citizen that has never fit within the profile description. Most people don’t.
 
The trades have issues just like every other business. Case in point: we are doing a whole house remodel. Each of the trades has made errors, many glaring. One thing stays constant, and that is the prices charged. Good work or not the prices are very high.

I owned my own small business for 40 years, meaning that I understand costs, labor and training, so don't go there.

What we've gotten for what we've paid is embarrassing at best.

I built about 50% of our off-grid house and do know a few things...not a thousand things like a pro does...but enough to discover mistakes.

At this point I leave a large percentage of the quote unpaid until things are done properly. I'm talking 25% to 50% depending on what has passed my inspection.

We are using a "high end" GC who uses "high end" subs. We accepted the price(s) of the job and expected high quality work. The result has been poor, with the GC trying to gaslight us to accept less than what we contracted for. The GC should have spent the time inspecting the work and not trusting the masters/journeymen of the various trades to check up on the work of their teams.

You can joke about charging me more if I watch...what I won't accept is poor work, especially at the prices charged.
 
Ain't that the truth. I recently RFQed hardieplank siding for unit 1 of my development, a 3 storey 3,077sqft house. I provide all materials and they provide labor and tools. Of the SIXTEEN contractors I contacted, only two responded -- $35,000!! Labor and tools only. For one house! Fsck that, it's why I train and run my own crews.


(sic)
This is embarrassing...

My grandfather was touring a new development one time with the development owner, to give a quote on the price of wiring houses. They went through the plans, looked at the first shell that was built, and then the development owner said "You don't need to include materials in your price, I will provide all of them for you." My grandfather said, "Well, if you are providing all the materials, then you can provide the electrician to install them, I'm not interested," and then he walked out. That is still our policy for the most part, except for specialized circumstances. If the customer already has the materials, then we will figure the markup if we had provided them, and include them in the quote, because if there is a problem we will still have to figure out why and fix it, and the material markup includes the money for us to do that when we provide the materials. For specialized equipment or whatever, that would obviously be different. My time ain't free, and if you buy the wrong thing I still had to show up and figure out that its wrong, and then re-arrange my day so I can do something else to make money.
 

I could be wrong but I think he might be referring to your use of the word "prejudicial". Prejudiced is a more common word that might have been used instead. But prejudicial is not misspelled, it's a real word.

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Back to over priced electricians.

My cousin's brother-in-law came over last week to help me with an outlet that was zapping me. I didn't get a family discount and he and I talked the entire time he was there, catching up on family members. $80/hr and I was happy to pay it.
 
My grandfather was touring a new development one time with the development owner, to give a quote on the price of wiring houses. They went through the plans, looked at the first shell that was built, and then the development owner said "You don't need to include materials in your price, I will provide all of them for you." My grandfather said, "Well, if you are providing all the materials, then you can provide the electrician to install them, I'm not interested," and then he walked out. That is still our policy for the most part, except for specialized circumstances. If the customer already has the materials, then we will figure the markup if we had provided them, and include them in the quote, because if there is a problem we will still have to figure out why and fix it, and the material markup includes the money for us to do that when we provide the materials. For specialized equipment or whatever, that would obviously be different. My time ain't free, and if you buy the wrong thing I still had to show up and figure out that its wrong, and then re-arrange my day so I can do something else to make money.
That's nice.

I will be taking the Electrical Admin exam and getting my license to hire Journeys on a gig basis. My solution to no-show trades and rip-off prices. You're not anaesthesiologists...
 
My grandfather was touring a new development one time with the development owner, to give a quote on the price of wiring houses. They went through the plans, looked at the first shell that was built, and then the development owner said "You don't need to include materials in your price, I will provide all of them for you." My grandfather said, "Well, if you are providing all the materials, then you can provide the electrician to install them, I'm not interested," and then he walked out. That is still our policy for the most part, except for specialized circumstances. If the customer already has the materials, then we will figure the markup if we had provided them, and include them in the quote, because if there is a problem we will still have to figure out why and fix it, and the material markup includes the money for us to do that when we provide the materials. For specialized equipment or whatever, that would obviously be different. My time ain't free, and if you buy the wrong thing I still had to show up and figure out that its wrong, and then re-arrange my day so I can do something else to make money.
Well, it's your business and income. With that kind of policy, you will get some jobs and lose some jobs. As long as your fine with that, no problem.
 

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