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[AntronX]

I would think that $1500 per panel is steep

Sounds like it's in yen. Divide by 150.

 

[Norwasian]

Sounds like it's in yen. Divide by 150.

I wondered about that possibility, but then the post would make even less sense to me, as his quoted price for "new" panels comes in at less than the used ones he got...or am I just totally misunderstanding something here?

anybody need cheap or free panels? they will repalce all of them if they rebuild. thats how i got most of my sharp panels... a boulder rolled down a hill and took out half a solar field and when they replaced the panels those not quite 5 year old panels went up for pennies....

i know that panels are cheap in the states, but over here even off chinese brands like JA solar cost up to 1k/panel if you buy from a dealer. sharps, panasonic, kyocera, Q cells all run about 1500_1800 per panel new. I got 20 sharps panels for 70,000 yen, or roughly $700 at 1$ to 100 yen rate at that time. remember every silver cloud has its lining.

Notice he is saying 1500-1800 per panel new. If we take 1500 yen x 20 panels, we still get only 30,000 yen. Why is he wanting to buy twenty 5-year-old panels for about double that price if he can get new ones much cheaper? This is why I assumed that his earlier statement referenced dollar amounts.

 

[Daddy Tanuki]

nope new panels price as sold by all the installers which are the only people that can install in accordance with the law WERE (2013) running ¥120,000 to ¥170,000 per panel I have not priced since then.

At that time ¥/$ was about 97/1.00 thats what it cost per panel from the installers on my main hosue and we chose the panasonics as they were cheaper than the imports.

Japan charges serious tariffs on anything that endangers their local manufactures.... they do not allow china to dump shit on them like the US and other countries do.

if they do not charge tarriffs, then they charge various other fees to make up for it. and example is for cars, no import tariffs, sales tax only which is 10% and sounds reasonable.... but they also have an initial gas qualification testing for all vehicles, that costs from2500 up to 6k USD its where they take the car and measure its bore and stroke, record all of its emissions equipment and then test it for japan emissions. it fails, then you are out of 6k. it passes, you can get it plated... you can modify and retest as many times as you want to pay the 6k.

this protects the entire motor industry.

once its past emissions... some vehicles depending upon the vehicles weight, and its gross cargo capacity have to get a brake check. this is 2 million yen regardless of country of orgin.... 2 million yen to prove that its brakes will stop the vehicle with the load it is rated for in accordance with japanese specs, which are not the same as anybody elses... pass you can register, don't pass and once again you can take it as many times as you want and are willing to pay for.

this protects specifically the truck industry. Volvo and Ford and Mercedes were the target here...Volvo for large trucks and Ford for the F series and Mercedes for sprinter styles cargo vans. but it involves any that meet the weight targets... one annoying exception carved out was the hummer H1/ H2 I would guess that some politician had a finger in the pie for importing them so he carved out an exemption claiming that they were not cargo styled vehicles.

lastly, the noise inspection: this measure the noise made by the vehicle while driving around a set course and measure the sound of the tires, exhaust and "wind noise's" this test is about ¥165,000 or 1600 us at one to one hundred. as before you fail , no registration... you pass you can register... and yes you can modify and try again as many times a you are willing to pay for the test.

this protects spots cars, and motorcycles (Harley Davidson, and Aprilo were the targets here by the way).

so yes it costs to live in Japan if you want to play. the way around this is self importation you can skip a lot of the BS this way, but you cannot tie anything into the grid that is not approved.... what do you think your chances are of getting an inverter, SCC, panels that you imported approved? The people that sell these things will shoot it down, even if its the exact same thing they are selling... they will simply claim that their item has a propriety feature that the ones you imported in did not.... (its true, your gear did not grease the correct palms). as such stuff brought in on your own is regulated to DIY off grid only. that's why I do not flinch at using top of the line gear... if I cam going to jump through freaking hurdles and hoops to get something that is not offered here, I am going to go for the best I can afford and not dick around with it.

 

[Checkthisout]

nope new panels price as sold by all the installers which are the only people that can install in accordance with the law WERE (2013) running ¥120,000 to ¥170,000 per panel I have not priced since then.

At that time ¥/$ was about 97/1.00 thats what it cost per panel from the installers on my main hosue and we chose the panasonics as they were cheaper than the imports.

Japan charges serious tariffs on anything that endangers their local manufactures.... they do not allow china to dump shit on them like the US and other countries do.

if they do not charge tarriffs, then they charge various other fees to make up for it. and example is for cars, no import tariffs, sales tax only which is 10% and sounds reasonable.... but they also have an initial gas qualification testing for all vehicles, that costs from2500 up to 6k USD its where they take the car and measure its bore and stroke, record all of its emissions equipment and then test it for japan emissions. it fails, then you are out of 6k. it passes, you can get it plated... you can modify and retest as many times as you want to pay the 6k.

this protects the entire motor industry.

once its past emissions... some vehicles depending upon the vehicles weight, and its gross cargo capacity have to get a brake check. this is 2 million yen regardless of country of orgin.... 2 million yen to prove that its brakes will stop the vehicle with the load it is rated for in accordance with japanese specs, which are not the same as anybody elses... pass you can register, don't pass and once again you can take it as many times as you want and are willing to pay for.

this protects specifically the truck industry. Volvo and Ford and Mercedes were the target here...Volvo for large trucks and Ford for the F series and Mercedes for sprinter styles cargo vans. but it involves any that meet the weight targets... one annoying exception carved out was the hummer H1/ H2 I would guess that some politician had a finger in the pie for importing them so he carved out an exemption claiming that they were not cargo styled vehicles.

lastly, the noise inspection: this measure the noise made by the vehicle while driving around a set course and measure the sound of the tires, exhaust and "wind noise's" this test is about ¥165,000 or 1600 us at one to one hundred. as before you fail , no registration... you pass you can register... and yes you can modify and try again as many times a you are willing to pay for the test.

this protects spots cars, and motorcycles (Harley Davidson, and Aprilo were the targets here by the way).

so yes it costs to live in Japan if you want to play. the way around this is self importation you can skip a lot of the BS this way, but you cannot tie anything into the grid that is not approved.... what do you think your chances are of getting an inverter, SCC, panels that you imported approved? The people that sell these things will shoot it down, even if its the exact same thing they are selling... they will simply claim that their item has a propriety feature that the ones you imported in did not.... (its true, your gear did not grease the correct palms). as such stuff brought in on your own is regulated to DIY off grid only. that's why I do not flinch at using top of the line gear... if I cam going to jump through freaking hurdles and hoops to get something that is not offered here, I am going to go for the best I can afford and not dick around with it.

Thanks for the info. I always knew Japan had highly protectionist policies but did not know the actual nuances.

 

[Daddy Tanuki]

Thanks for the info. I always knew Japan had highly protectionist policies but did not know the actual nuances.

their nuances are all attempts at putting on a defacto protectionist tariff while not calling it a tariff. that why the only US and foreign vehicles you used to see were high end imports. over the last couple of decades the prices of vehicles in japan have risen enough that it makes sense to bring in outside items to sell. the brake capacity test started about 15 maybe 20 years ago, the vehicle noise tests started about 5 years later. the emissions gas tests have been around from at least 1995 when i was working in a company that imported US vehicles but I would guess have been around since the mid 70's. to early 80's.

now, all of these tests in all fairness are conducted on all Japanese vehicles as well. but they are allowed to be done in the manufactures facilities manned by the makers staff. they normally have one government employee who supervises on behalf of the japanese government, and the manufacture pays for the salary of that government employee. so the costs incurred are not the same. (at all)

Daihastu just got slammed for faking their emissions tests for the last 20 years on every vehicle they sold. its not that the vehicles did not pass per se, but that none of them were actually tested and documented in accordance with GOJ regulations. so theoretically they could have failed. the fallout form that investigation is still unfolding.

 

[Chispas]

Doesn't Japan also have a very stringent yearly technical inspection for vehicles ? I know that folks in the UK import Landcruisers & a lot of very tasty JDM versions of cars that arent available. The prices, even with shipping & import duty, are very tempting for some Brits.

 

[BarracudaBob]

I think this weather man has been working to hard with back to back storms
or
He smokes crack