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Really? It seems hurricanes aren't as strong as typhoons, pressure-wise. I've seen a number of typhoons stronger than this (e.g. in the 880's). I wonder what the difference is...less space in the Atlantic? One would think the Atlantic, having shallower and less water overall, could generate stronger storms with the sea surface temperatures being relatively higher. Maybe the jet stream and/or geography of the surrounding terrain hinders Atlantic storms?

From what I could ascertain online, Hurricane Wilma, in 2005, had the lowest recorded pressure for an Atlantic storm, at 882 mbar.

"On the morning of October 19, 2005, National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) aircraft measured a pressure of 882 millibars in the center of Hurricane Wilma—the lowest pressure ever measured in an Atlantic hurricane." [LINK]

Compare that with a recorded pressure of 870 millibars for Typhoon Tip.

"A US Air Weather Service reconnaissance aircraft recorded an onboard measurement of 700 hPa at a height of only 1900 m and a dropsonde measurement of 870 hPa." [LINK]

By the way, whomever stated that Hurricane Milton was the 4th strongest was close. According to this Wikipedia page, it is the 5th strongest Atlantic hurricane, and only 6 (six) Atlantic hurricanes have dropped below the 900 mbar mark. Note that Hurricane Patricia had a pressure of 872 mbar, but formed in the Pacific. Contrast this with typhoons, whose <900 mbar pressure storms number in the double digits.

Typhoon Haiyan is considered one of the strongest tropical storms in history, if not the strongest.
yea typhoons have much bigger range
I see wilma is the lowest as well

You're just going by just pressure in your post for the "strongest"
This is the strongest
and interestingly they seem to have slower winds than hurricanes do

I don't see where he got 4th from maybe it has something to do with "ever recorded by pressure" and I understand it wrong?
This is a Meteorologist from kentucky / florida though so I guess he probably can't read or something

sandy 940
harvey 938
andrew 922
irma 914
katrina 902 and 920
camille 900
allen 899

wilma 882
gilbert 888
labor day 892
rita 895
milton 897
 
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It has reached a point that a large percentage of people dropped their insurance and are self insuring. A really bad storm and the insurance company will declare bankruptcy or you have to fight for years to get a fair amount. People have been waiting over a year to get their houses repaired. They take it on their own and hire repair services and the insurance company sues then for it.

"Dozens of homeowners have been sued by People’s Trust for repairing their homes with their own contractors. The insurance company invoked their right to repair but would tell the homeowner that they could not get to their repairs for 8-12 months."

I spent $40K to bring my home up to latest codes and new roof. Few years later they raised just the wind portion of my insurance $6,500. This doesn't include fire, theft, or flood - Just Wind.
I pay $3750 for homeowners insurance. A little over $1000 is the wind portion.
My house is cinderblock. I have hurricane windows and doors.
My garage door has I beam channels on each section.
I don't expect any damage but it is possible a tree could fall on the house or some shingles could get damaged.
The wind will be howling and garbage cans will be bouncing around. :oops:
 
It has reached a point that a large percentage of people dropped their insurance and are self insuring. A really bad storm and the insurance company will declare bankruptcy or you have to fight for years to get a fair amount. People have been waiting over a year to get their houses repaired. They take it on their own and hire repair services and the insurance company sues then for it.

"Dozens of homeowners have been sued by People’s Trust for repairing their homes with their own contractors. The insurance company invoked their right to repair but would tell the homeowner that they could not get to their repairs for 8-12 months."

I spent $40K to bring my home up to latest codes and new roof. Few years later they raised just the wind portion of my insurance $6,500. This doesn't include fire, theft, or flood - Just Wind.
I lived in the panhandle in the 80's when it was just small fishing villages. Absolutely would never trade that for anything! However as the years progressed and things continued to change as they invariably do no matter where on this planet you reside, it got to the point now that when I think of living there anymore it is so unpleasant it's hard to describe, but perhaps Dante's "Gates of Hell?" comes to mind...

I have children and friends who live there, for only God knows what reason? When you combine the heat, humidity, population density, expense of living, being the center of so much political drama / theater not to mention several other critical issues necessary for someone like myself to enjoy life, especially at the age I am now; I honestly can't understand why so many continue to choose willingly to live there anymore?

Am I perhaps extreme in my views about this region of the US, and not picking on Florida but pretty much the whole of the east from Portland to Miami has had it as far as I am concerned. It's even getting a bit crowded out in the wide open spaces of the desert South West these days! I'm just really glad to be an older guy who won't need to be concerned with such things to much longer now! Hehehe Lol :cool:

I do apologize for the life style choices I made that helped contribute to this F'd up place we now inhabit. Cause honestly we all have a piece of it to own.
 
and interestingly they seem to have slower winds than hurricanes do
One potential "gotcha" with comparing between hurricanes and typhoons is that the measurement standard may vary. Even speaking of "sustained winds," the time frame may differ. Tropical storm winds are notoriously gusty. Some count 5- or 10-second "sustained" wind gusts, while others take a 1-minute or even 10-minute average. Without investigating the measurement standard of NOAA versus JMA or PAGASA, my guess is that the wind-speed "difference" could be misleading on account of differing measurement standards.

This is one reason that the storm's pressure in millibars is so helpful--there is only one standard there, and all storms can be compared on an equal level by it.

Regarding the strongest storm, there are also other measures besides the pressure or wind speed. Haiyan was simply huge. Some typhoons are small, others cover a large area. Wind speeds between the two extremes may not be much different--so why is one so much larger than another? That might be a good question to pose to a meteorologist.

As for Typhoon Goni being the strongest, read carefully.

"...with 10-minute sustained winds of 220 km/h (140 mph), and 1-minute sustained winds of 315 km/h (195 mph), with a minimum central pressure of 905 hPa (mbar; 26.72 inHg). It was the most intense tropical cyclone observed worldwide in 2020."

If we only had 2020 to look at, Goni would be the most intense. But Tip (870 mbar; 1,380 mi/2,220 km diameter) and Haiyan (895 mbar; 500 miles/about 800 km in diameter with a 9-mile-/14.5-km-wide eye) had lower pressures. The Haiyan page also says:

"Haiyan is also tied with Meranti in 2016, Goni in 2020 and Surigae in 2021 as the most intense tropical cyclone in the Eastern Hemisphere by 1-minute sustained winds; several others have recorded lower central pressure readings."

"Intensity" is relative to measurement standard. Intriguingly, wind speeds, central pressure, and storm diameter are all rather loosely related and not directly equated nor proportionate to each other.

Regarding Milton--it has already degraded to a Cat. 4. It may restrengthen, but it will be worse at landfall, in my opinion, if it does not again reach Cat. 5, as it still has quite a ways to go to gather "steam." The TSR site predicts its landfall as a Cat. 3--just about the worst possible scenario in my estimation. Floridians had best prepare for an inundation.

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When you combine the heat, humidity, population density, expense of living, being the center of so much political drama / theater not to mention several other critical issues necessary for someone like myself to enjoy life, especially at the age I am now; I honestly can't understand why so many continue to choose willingly to live there anymore?

I lived in Chicago then Florida. I have enjoyed what nature has to give and made a carrier down here. Between earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, and fire the peaceful homestead is getting harder to find.

I don't get involved in the pollical drama. We are happy with how our governor takes care of us. What CNN and the news media complains about isn't my worry.

We have our little plantation, Boat, pool, Solar & backup, and both employed with good jobs. There is no state income tax. So for now we stay.
 
I see by the news that as many as 1 million people have evacuated. Incredible to think about that many packed into cars, trucks, RV's and riding their golf carts out of the Tampa area.
 
The State, County, City, and Utility departments are setting up command & staging centers all over. They are headed into the 'war zone' and hunkering down so the are already on site. Huge amount of contractors are heading to Florida because they know when they need our help we go to their aid. We have a governor that will support us and pave the way for good forces to overcome evil.

I can't and won't watch CNN, MSNBC, or what ever poison that is out there. They will tell you about how FEMA will help out. Just get out of our way!

We will adapt, overcome, and prevail !

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Really? It seems hurricanes aren't as strong as typhoons, pressure-wise. I've seen a number of typhoons stronger than this (e.g. in the 880's). I wonder what the difference is...less space in the Atlantic? One would think the Atlantic, having shallower and less water overall, could generate stronger storms with the sea surface temperatures being relatively higher. Maybe the jet stream and/or geography of the surrounding terrain hinders Atlantic storms?

From what I could ascertain online, Hurricane Wilma, in 2005, had the lowest recorded pressure for an Atlantic storm, at 882 mbar.

"On the morning of October 19, 2005, National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) aircraft measured a pressure of 882 millibars in the center of Hurricane Wilma—the lowest pressure ever measured in an Atlantic hurricane." [LINK]

Compare that with a recorded pressure of 870 millibars for Typhoon Tip.

"A US Air Weather Service reconnaissance aircraft recorded an onboard measurement of 700 hPa at a height of only 1900 m and a dropsonde measurement of 870 hPa." [LINK]

By the way, whomever stated that Hurricane Milton was the 4th strongest was close. According to this Wikipedia page, it is the 5th strongest Atlantic hurricane, and only 6 (six) Atlantic hurricanes have dropped below the 900 mbar mark. Note that Hurricane Patricia had a pressure of 872 mbar, but formed in the Pacific. Contrast this with typhoons, whose <900 mbar pressure storms number in the double digits.

Typhoon Haiyan is considered one of the strongest tropical storms in history, if not the strongest.

Um, isn't Milton coming from the Gulf, and not the Atlantic?
 
Um, isn't Milton coming from the Gulf, and not the Atlantic?
All of the oceans are:
pacific ocean
atlantic ocean
arctic ocean
indian ocean
southern ocean

everything exists within them.

Similarly people forget all the way down to panama is part of north america. There is only north america & south america. (as far as the americas go)
 
Anyone have any "High Wind" rated ground mounts in FL that are about to get real world tested? What do you have and what is it rated for?
I was looking around but all those big bug nets half of them have attached to their homes trick me
 
I have friends that call hurricanes "an minor inconvenience" but when it threatens them they expect the president helicopter to land in their front yard and deliver Ice and water personally. I am sure we all know someone like this.
 

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