Gas-Powered Lawn Equipment Will Soon Be Banned In Cali, a broad category that includes generators.

[time2roll]

most power stations are not centered in the city, maybe the city dwellers should pay more for power.... sorry but everything you have typed in regards to this subject just screams elitist attitude...

Dude, chill. I don't know the solution. Someone needs to pay.

Just saying it is not a political issue, it is a safety issue. Should we shut off the paved cities too se we all feel like we are in this together.

 

[Bud Martin]

Gavin really cares about Cali, LOL!

Gavin Newsom Misled Public About Wildfire Prevention Work, Report Says

An investigation from CapRadio and the California Newsroom collaboration has found that Gov. Gavin Newsom, D-Calif., misrepresented his wildfire preparedness and even disinvested in prevention.

www.npr.org

 

[time2roll]

The only thing that gavin newsome cares about is himself and his winery which he allowed to stay open while closeing other business and ruining others lifes.

As i inferred above he is like the famed Marie Antoinette ... peasants are out of bread? Let them eat cake.

Still repeating false statements? How long must this go on?

Claim: Newsom exempted the businesses he founded from his pandemic restrictions. Rating: False

Read more at: https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article250504449.html#storylink=cpy

 

[NwCali]

Someone commented that the bann on small engines doesn't relate to how we maintain our power lines. For me the greater picture is how government mismanges almost everything (but they did get a vacinne out really fast under someone's watch). I own a electric chain saw, weed blower, and, get it, lawn mower. I didn't need the Government to tell me to buy them....

I also own a Nissan Leaf, 2011.

If the Government really cared about being "green" they would have regulated the battery side of these things more. Its a shame my 2011 leaf can use a 2022 Leaf Battery but I can't get own from Nissan (or anyone else) new. Otherwise this would easily be a 500,000 mile car someday. Instead it'll get scrapped due to a degraded near non replaceable (only due to no one supporting it) battery.

I get the "no politics" policy, but, face it, the politics of it make a lot of choices for us regardless if we like it or not.

My post about the hazard of the power lines here in Cali stands. Its horrid (lack of proper care) and its NOT a lack of money being spent.

I would say its a combination of people being lazy and mismanaged (regulated at times by the Government).

I've driving right thru many of the devastating wildfire areas both before, during, and after the fires. People will have dead tall grass running right up to their homes/fences/trees going right up to their homes. They won't bother before, during, or after the fire (most won't) to clear it. This is simply ignorant or lazy. Not regulating it is improper managment. Spending a huge amount of resources to try and stop a fire once it happens is neglect (from a Government view, not from the person fighting it view).

I call it the "politics of life"....

But, one thing we need to figure out, is the battery approach the right one? Massive mines being dug to keep up the pace using a lot of fossil fuels to dig/transport and then to power those electronics with no real recycle program in place once they "go bad".... Putting those "precious" metals back in the dirt...

Yes this is worth discussing.

Oh, and my insurance company won't insure my property due to fires. A real life consequence to other people choices. Yet my actual fire hazard is extremly low due to proper clearing...

 

[robby]

People sure do hate change. I was living abroad when the country bought in a ban on all plastic bags, cups and straws. It was like the Apocalypse for the first 6 months. People now had to travel with reusable vinyl or cloth type bags in their cars all the time or buy one when you checked out of a store. Paper cups were fine but paper straws sucked.

Fast forward 9 months and everyone had adjusted to the new way of life. The amount of garbage has dropped drastically and you don’t see plastic cups and old bags in gullies and drains.

 

[time2roll]

I've driving right thru many of the devastating wildfire areas both before, during, and after the fires. People will have dead tall grass running right up to their homes/fences/trees going right up to their homes. They won't bother before, during, or after the fire (most won't) to clear it. This is simply ignorant or lazy. Not regulating it is improper managment. Spending a huge amount of resources to try and stop a fire once it happens is neglect (from a Government view, not from the person fighting it view).

I call it the "politics of life"....

I call that freedom. Any regulation or mandate is an attack on freedom and a political power grab.
(must resist at any cost or consequence)

 

[time2roll]

He exempted certain industries from te restrictions.. one of them was his own winery.. what's wrong? did you just get caught up in the hypocrisy? I own no wineries in CA.... I own nothing there.. the whole world is watching and all of the liberal BS news sources cannot hide what he has done..

Please reference the related legislation or decree.

 

[NwCali]

ban on all plastic bags

Have you seen the video of the Marine (you'r never a ex marine) who is walking out of the store when a armed robber comes in, pistol out and all?
The marine pushes the sidearm off to the side with one had while swinging with his other that had a plastic bag with two drinks (plus some other stuff) in it and clobbers the would be robber.

Try that with paper bags or thin plastic ones.

I'm all for reusable bags, was a good move.

But studies have shown the waste from the move we made is higher (not lower) than with the thin plastic bags. Might be fewer in the storm drains, but, we uped the consumption on the plastic being used/wasted.

For me its all the same, people making good choices that betters Mother Earth which helps humanity.

 

[Bishacuda]

Gavin cares about the safety of the people and prefers reducing the chance of forest fires.
The motivation is to do good for all.

The government also sends people into the hazard zone to evacuate people during a fire. Is that a political power grab and socialist control also?

During the fire in Napa, Gavin did not declare an emergency ... until it threatened HIS vineyard. As long as it was taking out the competition, he was quite content to let the fire burn.

 

[time2roll]

During the fire in Napa, Gavin did not declare an emergency ... until it threatened HIS vineyard. As long as it was taking out the competition, he was quite content to let the fire burn.

So exactly how many competitors burned down?

 

[robby]

Have you seen the video of the Marine (you'r never a ex marine) who is walking out of the store when a armed robber comes in, pistol out and all?
The marine pushes the sidearm off to the side with one had while swinging with his other that had a plastic bag with two drinks (plus some other stuff) in it and clobbers the would be robber.

Try that with paper bags or thin plastic ones.

I'm all for reusable bags, was a good move.

But studies have shown the waste from the move we made is higher (not lower) than with the thin plastic bags. Might be fewer in the storm drains, but, we uped the consumption on the plastic being used/wasted.

For me its all the same, people making good choices that betters Mother Earth which helps humanity.

These are not thin plastic bags! They are woven material that is stitched together and made to last a few years. That is the whole point of the system that you bring the bags to the supermarket and then you take them home and reuse them the next week. No wasted plastic going into landfills every week. As for doing battle with the Bags I would much prefer to have the reusable bags as the material is about 100 times stronger than a plastic bag.

My point was that people even myself were really pissed when this was implemented. They had mild Political clashes over it and even demonstrations. At the end of the day the law was the law and they setup $5,000 fines for any store found using plastic bags and then sent out under cover agents to bust some stores in the first month. The moaning and groaning went on for several months but after about 9 months people got use to them and had no issues with them. As far as I know they are starting to talk about getting rid of small water bottles and plastic soda bottles as the next phase. You can look for this to happen in every country as plastic really is a terrible product. You would agree if you got some of your cells looked at under a microscope. If you eat any kind of seafood you have already have microscopic plastic pieces in your system that have bonded into your cells. No one knows exactly what this will do to us in the future.

 

[robby]

During the fire in Napa, Gavin did not declare an emergency ... until it threatened HIS vineyard. As long as it was taking out the competition, he was quite content to let the fire burn.

The source of this info?

 

[tigerwillow1]

I bought a high-end battery powered weedeater a few years ago, and the gas powered one has sat unused since because the battery version does the job almost as quickly with a whole lot less wasted time and hassle. Making the product work better is a whole lot better than a politically forced solution.

As for plastic bags, the forced solution results in my family sending more plastic to the landfill. We used all the plastic bags for garbage. The ones we buy to replace them are bigger and heavier. The same amount of trash as before goes to the landfill every week, except with a higher plastic content.

 

[Daddy Tanuki]

People sure do hate change. I was living abroad when the country bought in a ban on all plastic bags, cups and straws. It was like the Apocalypse for the first 6 months. People now had to travel with reusable vinyl o cloth type bags in their cars all the time or buy one when you checked out of a store. Paper cups were fine but paper straws sucked.

Fast forward 9 months and everyone had adjusted to the new way of life. The amount of garbage has dropped drastically and you don’t see plastic cups and old bags in gullies and drains.

yes they do but sometimes with good reason.

I remember when we went from paper bag, & glass bottles to plastic bags and plastic bottles... The eco terrorists and naturalists (save the earth crowd) loved it..."Save our Forests"(blahblah blah)
the lobbyists for the oil companies loved it (more cash flow) .
the lobbyists for the timber industry hated it (less cash flow).
pretty much every consumer was against it initially.

Now we have come back full circle to paper is good and plastic (oil) is bad. the Save the earth crowd did more damage (and continues to do more damage) than the rest of us combined. They just do not get the idea of the Law of unintended consequences.

just like not managing the forests (selective culling) and you have massive forest fires that burn up hundreds or thousands of acres.

 

[robby]

yes they do but sometimes with good reason.

I remember when we went from paper bag, & glass bottles to plastic bags and plastic bottles... The eco terrorists and naturalists (save the earth crowd) loved it..."Save our Forests"(blahblah blah)
the lobbyists for the oil companies loved it (more cash flow) .
the lobbyists for the timber industry hated it (less cash flow).
pretty much every consumer was against it initially.

Now we have come back full circle to paper is good and plastic (oil) is bad. the Save the earth crowd did more damage (and continues to do more damage) than the rest of us combined. They just do not get the idea of the Law of unintended consequences.

just like not managing the forests (selective culling) and you have massive forest fires that burn up hundreds or thousands of acres.

Very true, I remember all the same events.
The problem is that Plastic is truly Evil! It keeps breaking down into smaller and smaller bits until it is almost microscopic. The tiny pieces are eaten by plankton and other creatures at the bottom of the food chain and then get those get eaten by larger fish and land animals and therefore works it's way into the cells of all living creatures.

I agree that paper is not an ideal replacement but if it is done properly it's the least of the evils.
Plant Trees just for the purpose and harvest them young and we have a solution. It will still be a carbon emitter but at least it can be recycled.

 

[Supervstech]

Those woven bags are 10,000 times worse for the environment than plastic bags.
It is insane the amount of crap that goes into manufacture of them...
I will find the link to the video I watched about them.

Paper is indeed the best

 

[robby]

Those woven bags are 10,000 times worse for the environment than plastic bags.
It is insane the amount of crap that goes into manufacture of them...
I will find the link to the video I watched about them.

Paper is indeed the best

I am not sure how you came to that conclusion.
I was typically using the heavy plastic or Vinyl type bags that he talks about. As he clearly states they found at worst case it takes 54 reuses to make them break even. He also states that he has had some of his since 2004!
My experience was that I purchased 15 of them at the start of the transition and still had all 15 of them still in use almost a year later when I left. Considering that I shopped with all of them every week plus used them numerous times in stores that ranged from hardware stores to diner pickups, they got way more than 54 uses in that short period of time, I would say more than 100 uses per bag.

The second things is that reusable bags typically end up in landfills when the handles Inevitably break. Single use bags end up everywhere, from Landfills to gullies and even in rivers and streams.

Paper bags are great in one way but he left out the amount of very toxic chemicals that are used to process wood into paper. Also it involves cutting down lots of trees. This can be done sustainably but we are facing a Tree shortage right now and it might be better to let them keep growing.

BTW when his video title says "The Worst" it is pointing to a cotton bag not a reusable plastic bag.

 

[Bishacuda]

The source of this info?

Personal experience. I was in Suisun, about 20 miles away and spent a lot of my time in Napa at the wineries. Gavin owns Plumpjack. Vineyards were going up in smoke and no declaration of an emergency. When the fire was less than 1/2 mile from Plumpjack, we got the state of emergency. Could just be a coincidence. Who knows? Wink-wink.

 

[Batvette]

Heres the deal with the plastic bags. The primary rationale for the ban was plastic bags "blowing in the wind". However, next time youre at 7/11, or a shopping center, just try to find a trash receptacle. Or if you have say a box of trash go find an unlocked dumpster to put it in.
Whats happened here? Businesses have universally removed access to trash disposal containers of all sizes and types because they were magnets for homeless populations. Theres no place to throw away trash any more so people discard as they will.
I lived in a beach community for years that also has a dog run beach. On trees near this beach and throughout the area people used to take the free bags and put them in boxes nailed to trees to encourage dog owners to clean up.
Interestingly enough the Surfrider foundation made a big push for the bag ban.
Since nobody is now buying bags to stick on trees I wonder how long it will take them to admit it was better to have a few bags in the water than scores of brown trout after every rain.

 

[Batvette]

Personal experience. I was in Suisun, about 20 miles away and spent a lot of my time in Napa at the wineries. Gavin owns Plumpjack. Vineyards were going up in smoke and no declaration of an emergency. When the fire was less than 1/2 mile from Plumpjack, we got the state of emergency. Could just be a coincidence. Who knows? Wink-wink.

It should be noted that the day Gavin Newsom finally opened up California businesses for full operation... Was the exact day of Joe Bidens inauguration. Not making that up its true.
Make of that as you will but for future elections it sure would be easy to present economic numbers as if someones leadership was better than the last guy.