Get ready for the Price increase

[robby]

meanwhile, back in post 89….

Tax cuts that stimulate growth in jobs and production I suppose trickle down. The economists of the time as well as today (for whatever reasons) neglect to mention that tax cuts result in higher receipts of tax income for the government due to corps making more product/gross sales/profits.
“Trickle Down” phraseology to me is as pesky as a racial slur; substantial ignorance must exist in fact- or be willfully maintained- to ignore the overall picture.

The budget deficit was recoverable in the 1980s. Collapsing that debt would have been domestically protective, but now: is eliminating government debt even possible? If “we” hadn’t joined the global bandwagon we’d be more domestically sound in the US. But now I am told that conversation is ‘nationalist’ which is apparently bad because nationalists are white supremicists. Nevertheless, I don’t care what national origin anyone is, but any US Citizen would be in a better place with a lot more nationalistic economic and domestic policy and action from the government Of The People.

Tax cuts typically benefit corporations and these corporations typically use the money to buy more of the company stock and increase their own bonuses. After Trumps Tax cuts we got a little show put on showing how some workers got pay increases. I think you could count those on one hand and then the show was over.

Trickle down economics only makes money trickle down into the Hands of investors and CEO's.

 

[Pyrofx]

Why do people hate rich getting richer when we still make a decent wage?
Everyone in my company thinks buffet should split up all his profits to us workers. Why ? Do you give up the money you make to people making less than you?
I Guarantee the guy living in his car or cardboard box thinks you make to much and should share it all

 

[upnorthandpersonal]

Why do people hate rich getting richer when we still make a decent wage?
Everyone in my company thinks buffet should split up all his profits to us workers. Why ? Do you give up the money you make to people making less than you?
I Guarantee the guy living in his car or cardboard box thinks you make to much and should share it all

Yeah, I'm going to have to reply to this. I do give money I make to people who make less than me through taxes - which I gladly pay here. Because of this, I still make a very good wage and in fact am pretty well off running a couple companies. It's however good to know that there are no people here forced to live in a car of cardboard box, and everyone can get get housing. It also helps that if something goes horribly wrong for whatever reason, no one end up on the streets. I think it makes for a much better and safer society.

 

[robby]

Why do people hate rich getting richer when we still make a decent wage?
Everyone in my company thinks buffet should split up all his profits to us workers. Why ? Do you give up the money you make to people making less than you?
I Guarantee the guy living in his car or cardboard box thinks you make to much and should share it all

It's not about splitting up money it's about politicians continuously telling us that they are cutting taxes to benefit the middle class but in truth they only benefit the very rich. Does it not bother you that people like Trump pay Zero taxes and then give further tax cuts to people in their same league.

Yeah, I'm going to have to reply to this. I do give money I make to people who make less than me through taxes - which I gladly pay here. Because of this, I still make a very good wage and in fact am pretty well off running a couple companies. It's however good to know that there are no people here forced to live in a car of cardboard box, and everyone can get get housing. It also helps that if something goes horribly wrong for whatever reason, no one end up on the streets. I think it makes for a much better and safer society.

I feel the same way. We are not all born into a life of equality. Many of us got breaks that made life much more easier than for others. Me paying a bit more to is only fair since I earn more and I use the infrastructure built with tax money more than the poorer person.

 

[Brett V]

Life isn't fair, the world isn't fair, and you can't tax or legislate either of those truths away.

 

[upnorthandpersonal]

Life isn't fair, the world isn't fair, and you can't tax or legislate either of those truths away.

You can balance it out a bit better. That's what society has been doing for a long time already. Legislation can absolutely help improve life conditions for a majority of the people. Think about your constitution and its amendments - that's legislation, trying its best to make things better for the people. I certainly live in a country where tax and legislation makes things better for the majority of the people and makes society more fair. Even as someone who's quite privileged, I can see that my taxes and legislation help make things better for everyone. Life isn't fair, but as a society we can make the cards we have been dealt less random and unfair.

 

[McCarthy]

Yeah, I'm going to have to reply to this. I do give money I make to people who make less than me through taxes - which I gladly pay here. Because of this, I still make a very good wage and in fact am pretty well off running a couple companies. It's however good to know that there are no people here forced to live in a car of cardboard box, and everyone can get get housing. It also helps that if something goes horribly wrong for whatever reason, no one end up on the streets. I think it makes for a much better and safer society.

Majority of people in the US living on governments tit, or on the streets, do so because of their own choices and not lack of opportunity or their own limitations.

For instance, many think that smoking pot doesn't do much harm, but at some point they get so much out of a healthy routine that they, for example, lose their driver license while driving under the influence. They pull that stunt a couple times and lose their job, because they can't get to work anymore. After a few years they may show long-term effects from weed, or jump onto more potent drugs. soon they can't pay their mortgages anymore, get kicked out, get a bad credit score, end up in SF shooting up and pooping on the streets, and game over.

Seen this several times, including one close friend, who now lives with his parents again at age 49, after losing his DL, his business, his car, and his apartment.

A former business partner used to smoke weed for almost 20 years, it turned him into a psycho (studies have confirmed this link) and one day he snapped, killed his wife and his young daughter, followed by burning their house down. Yet another case of somebody who needs to be housed and fed for the rest of his life, with my tax money.

Another example are fatherless homes, a certain cultural problem we have, that is unknown in Finland. Kids growing up without a strong father role tend to have issues down the road and are more likely to request support at some point.

Too many people in the US give a shit about being strong, independent, and responsible, by choice! And I have no desire to support laziness or stupidity.

I never received a single cent from any government entity and I'd rather die than become depended on anybody or anything. Its called pride, something that is now considered toxic masculinity in the US by our beta male movement, initiated by weak idiots that rather keep making excuses instead of finding true solutions and getting things done.

If 'you' want to take care of some people, help vets or those that serve our country on the blue line, on the streets, dealing with a ton of criminal garbage.

 

[Sanwizard]

Yeah, I'm going to have to reply to this. I do give money I make to people who make less than me through taxes - which I gladly pay here. Because of this, I still make a very good wage and in fact am pretty well off running a couple companies. It's however good to know that there are no people here forced to live in a car of cardboard box, and everyone can get get housing. It also helps that if something goes horribly wrong for whatever reason, no one end up on the streets. I think it makes for a much better and safer society.

From a country with 1/100 the population of the US, and an actual border. What is your military budget? How bout you guys pay for dinner for the 15000 folks under the bridge here just this week. 1 million over the last few months.
Perhaps we should just fly them over to you so you can give them "proper housing".

 

[Pyrofx]

They do pay taxes . A shitload too. They donate 100's of millions.
They also CREATED shitloads of jobs.

 

[upnorthandpersonal]

From a country with 1/100 the population of the US, and an actual border. What is your military budget? How bout you guys pay for dinner for the 15000 folks under the bridge here just this week. 1 million over the last few months.
Perhaps we should just fly them over to you so you can give them "proper housing".

"In 2021, the defense budget of Finland is estimated to reach approximately 4.9 billion euros, increasing roughly 1.7 billion euros from the previous year."

Finland also has conscription, so practically every man serves in the military here.

Also, why is it that in these kinds of comparisons people always compare the US as a whole to a European country, instead of at a state level - or compare the US to the entirety of Europe instead? Finland has a population of about 5.5 million people - so about middle ground for a typical State (22 States have a higher population).

 

[Pyrofx]

I wish everyone in the us had to serve. All the kids say not my job. Those of us that served do it because we want to.

 

[12VoltInstalls]

Another example are fatherless homes, a certain cultural problem we have,

I’m not going to touch the seven other topics in your last post. Would take a book! I agree with you in theme, but I think some of what you stated is too narrow a view or too judgemental to encompass the gravity of some the other issues.

The fatherless issue is a major cultural problem and an indicator.
What stood out to me is you identified this as a cultural problem and not a demographic problem. Demographically that’s the cart; you didn’t put the cart before the horse. Kudos

it's about politicians continuously telling us that they are cutting taxes to benefit the middle class but in truth they only benefit the very rich

That isn’t an accurate statement based on US statistics running back to the 1860s
It is sometimes true that wealthy people are stingy and too often corporations are corrupt or unbalanced by moral norms. Nevertheless, infinitive statements are assumed by default inaccurate which is funny because that’s an infinitive conjecture itself... Yet some in the middle class and poor can be stingy and corrupt.
So why aren’t those demographics equally vilified as the high-dollar demographic is?
Oh, because they’re victims.Or is it just human nature?!
There’s one economic position that requires the masses to be or become victims whether in fact they are- or not. The Masses exhibit dissatisfaction with having enough or unhappiness over their lot is culturally bred. (Not biologically or genetically bred.)
Think about this odd thought: the migrant families that moved and settled Kansas Oklahoma etc and eventually California; or even the 1st Mayflower passengers: on who were they blaming their poverty and discomfort? No one.
They all were adventurous and looking for opportunity and were willing to accept responsibility for themselves.

Ya, we have a tax problem BUT how’s about working for opportunities and the reward of overcoming circumstances?
Tax cuts produce more government revenue, while increasing taxes middle and above reduces discretionary spending and THAT hurts the middle and poorer classes. And inflation goes up because companies raise prices to achieve the same static profit they had when volume was higher.

Guarantee the guy living in his car or cardboard box thinks you make to much and should share it all

You need to volunteer at a homeless shelter that has a mission of rehabbing folks. While not all homeless are able to exceed their circumstances- many are. And many do not blame anyone for their position. And often, oddly enough don’t know their way out or are afraid of change/failure that could make them worse off than they are now. And then there are our veteran homeless and other actual victims…

Your statement is not reality, nor is it acceptable. (Probably not politically correct either but I’m not an authority there)

Even Jesus is related to have said if you see someone hungry, feed them; needs clothing? Dress them.

I know a little of how people wind up homeless. I know a whole lot more how one might recover or lift themselves out of homelessness or neohomeless. Am appreciative about how blessed we are in this country that even when that totally unexpected situation blindsides you and suddenly you’re out of options ya probably ain’t going to starve. And right now there’s plenty of jobs to be had…

Geezum crow I’m convicting myself. I don’t have a lot but I could give a lot more and it won’t hurt too bad. On the other hand I have bought some folks who needed things some stuff this summer, too.

I just go nuts when people blame the rich or whatever and have no other bone to pick than some magical thinking ideal.

There’s a recent thread here where someone is helping a neighbor in “a situation“ get some solar going, and I don’t mean lending a hand it sounds like he’s buying stuff. There was no mention that tax cuts put his neighbor in a vulnerable position cuz he’s poor. He’s just helping the guy…

Who paid for people in a bad way in 1890? Local folks, churches, philanthropists, and fraternal organizations. Thinking that’s the government’s job to distribute or redistribute folks’ income ain’t very humanitarian imho

 

[Pyrofx]

Sorry. Dont need to volunteer anywhere.
Call me a terrible human , but I believe in darwinism.
I dont feed the bears either.

 

[Sanwizard]

"In 2021, the defense budget of Finland is estimated to reach approximately 4.9 billion euros, increasing roughly 1.7 billion euros from the previous year."

Finland also has conscription, so practically every man serves in the military here.

Also, why is it that in these kinds of comparisons people always compare the US as a whole to a European country, instead of at a state level - or compare the US to the entirety of Europe instead? Finland has a population of about 5.5 million people - so about middle ground for a typical State (22 States have a higher population).

Even all the woman in Israel serve a stint. Finland's people are fiercely independent, industrious, hard working, and love their country, like many in the US.
The problem here is around 33% of the over 300 million of us want to live off the hard work of the rest of us. When 100 million people are just lazy, paying for them to sit idle is not justified.

As for the refugees, We sent billions to Haiti after the last earthquake, but only the Clintons received it. I think they built a couple houses, but the rest went into their "foundation". If our taxes actually went to good use, we would be happy to pay it, but when it just lines the deep pockets of the corrupt, it kinda pisses us off.
Examples are in every democrat run city and state in America. Good people flee that crime and corruption, but some follow, and like a virus, spread their insanity by voting for more free stuff in the place they ran too. That's why the people of Idaho are aghast at all the californians fleeing to their state, and then just voting democrat again. I am a democrat, but learned a while ago that this party has been taken over by socialists. It is now the socialist party, but leans more communist then just liberal. Scary times.

 

[McCarthy]

I’m not going to touch the seven other topics in your last post. Would take a book! I agree with you in theme, but I think some of what you stated is too narrow a view or too judgemental to encompass the gravity of some the other issues.

The fatherless issue is a major cultural problem and an indicator.
What stood out to me is you identified this as a cultural problem and not a demographic problem. Demographically that’s the cart; you didn’t put the cart before the horse. Kudos

That isn’t an accurate statement based on US statistics running back to the 1860s
It is sometimes true that wealthy people are stingy and too often corporations are corrupt or unbalanced by moral norms. Nevertheless, infinitive statements are assumed by default inaccurate which is funny because that’s an infinitive conjecture itself... Yet some in the middle class and poor can be stingy and corrupt.
So why aren’t those demographics equally vilified as the high-dollar demographic is?
Oh, because they’re victims.Or is it just human nature?!
There’s one economic position that requires the masses to be or become victims whether in fact they are- or not. The Masses exhibit dissatisfaction with having enough or unhappiness over their lot is culturally bred. (Not biologically or genetically bred.)
Think about this odd thought: the migrant families that moved and settled Kansas Oklahoma etc and eventually California; or even the 1st Mayflower passengers: on who were they blaming their poverty and discomfort? No one.
They all were adventurous and looking for opportunity and were willing to accept responsibility for themselves.

Ya, we have a tax problem BUT how’s about working for opportunities and the reward of overcoming circumstances?
Tax cuts produce more government revenue, while increasing taxes middle and above reduces discretionary spending and THAT hurts the middle and poorer classes. And inflation goes up because companies raise prices to achieve the same static profit they had when volume was higher.


You need to volunteer at a homeless shelter that has a mission of rehabbing folks. While not all homeless are able to exceed their circumstances- many are. And many do not blame anyone for their position. And often, oddly enough don’t know their way out or are afraid of change/failure that could make them worse off than they are now. And then there are our veteran homeless and other actual victims…

Your statement is not reality, nor is it acceptable. (Probably not politically correct either but I’m not an authority there)

Even Jesus is related to have said if you see someone hungry, feed them; needs clothing? Dress them.

I know a little of how people wind up homeless. I know a whole lot more how one might recover or lift themselves out of homelessness or neohomeless. Am appreciative about how blessed we are in this country that even when that totally unexpected situation blindsides you and suddenly you’re out of options ya probably ain’t going to starve. And right now there’s plenty of jobs to be had…

Geezum crow I’m convicting myself. I don’t have a lot but I could give a lot more and it won’t hurt too bad. On the other hand I have bought some folks who needed things some stuff this summer, too.

I just go nuts when people blame the rich or whatever and have no other bone to pick than some magical thinking ideal.

There’s a recent thread here where someone is helping a neighbor in “a situation“ get some solar going, and I don’t mean lending a hand it sounds like he’s buying stuff. There was no mention that tax cuts put his neighbor in a vulnerable position cuz he’s poor. He’s just helping the guy…

Who paid for people in a bad way in 1890? Local folks, churches, philanthropists, and fraternal organizations. Thinking that’s the government’s job to distribute or redistribute folks’ income ain’t very humanitarian imho

I too could write entire books on the topics we had so far, and yes, I cut some sarcastic corners.

I volunteered with the Miami Rescue Mission while I was living on Miami Beach. We helped homeless people to learn for and pass the GED, followed by helping them to apply for entry level jobs with partners in the county. The foundation was Christian.

Many dropped out and came back several times and you learn about the fact that every human being has strengths and weaknesses. The key is to find and support the strengths while teaching them to see issues stemming from their weaknesses in time and to make better choices before they end up in the same rabbit hole again. Obviously that's a lifetime goal for them and nothing turns out to be perfect.

One reason I'd like to add, why so many fail in our society and become depended on handouts etc, is our educational system. Important classes are missing, like "social norms and laws", "basic accounting and how to start a business" as well as "family planning and parenthood".

And the justice system isn't much better. Many repeat offenders see the revolving door, mainly in Dem controlled cities and states, while the system turns many into hardened criminals instead of helping them to integrate.

 

[12VoltInstalls]

classes are missing, like "social norms and laws", "basic accounting and how to start a business" as well as "family planning and parenthood".

Nah, it’s the educational system in general!

I had none of those classes, but somehow I learned all that stuff?

 

[Sanwizard]

I too could write entire books on the topics we had so far, and yes, I cut some sarcastic corners.

I volunteered with the Miami Rescue Mission while I was living on Miami Beach. We helped homeless people to learn for and pass the GED, followed by helping them to apply for entry level jobs with partners in the county. The foundation was Christian.

Many dropped out and came back several times and you learn about the fact that every human being has strengths and weaknesses. The key is to find and support the strengths while teaching them to see issues stemming from their weaknesses in time and to make better choices before they end up in the same rabbit hole again. Obviously that's a lifetime goal for them and nothing turns out to be perfect.

One reason I'd like to add, why so many fail in our society and become depended on handouts etc, is our educational system. Important classes are missing, like "social norms and laws", "basic accounting and how to start a business" as well as "family planning and parenthood".

Great wisdom in a lot of these posts guys. I am humbled by many of the brilliant minds in these forums.

 

[McCarthy]

Nah, it’s the educational system in general!

I had none of those classes, but somehow I learned all that stuff?

You are a very small sample rate. Maybe you had a decent home while growing up, with good parenting? Maybe your IQ is higher than the average from certain "hoods"? Maybe you had access to people that acted as positive influences, compared to some that grow up in crime ridden areas? Maybe you grew up in better times when schools used to be halfway decent?

 

[robby]

Nah, it’s the educational system in general!

I had none of those classes, but somehow I learned all that stuff?

Some people can do that and others cannot.
My observation has been that it's the parents that suck and a lot of that comes from people watching TV and somehow coming to the conclusion that these shows are a template for parent child relationships. And yes this is definetly a gift from the left.

My old man and my mother had zero tolerance for back chatting or us being a smart ass.
It was not an issue because none of that stuff ever crossed our minds. You watch people today with their kids and it's like the kids are mini adults and need to be consulted and massaged to make sure they are ok with everything. We also have become so scared of having something happen to our children that we put them in a bubble where they get very little real world exposure.

Secondly we spoil them rotten, my nieces and nephews expect a new iPhone or iPad for Christmas! When I was kid the best you could possibly hope for was a $40 walkie Talkie from Radio Shack or Lafayette. Most of the time it was just plain old clothes.

Social Media is another destroyer of children. Interacting online makes kids dumb when it comes to learning about consequences. Anyone that was a teen before the Internet age remembers all to well that a misspoken word or insult could have immediate effects on ones health. You learned the social arts to survive as a kid and were completely prepared when you became an adult. Today they say anything in the virtual world and face no consequences.

One of the big benefits of being raised the old fashion way was that when you reached a certain age and you were feeling your Oats, you were quickly put back in your place by your parents. This was a driving factor in making you want to get ahead in life, move out of the house get a Job and become independent.

 

[12VoltInstalls]

Some people can do that and others cannot.

Some people can do that and others cannot.

This is a reality that I am grateful for.
Equal start doesn’t make equal outcome, however. Advantages (privilege?) are often neither an advantage nor a privilege…

You are a very small sample rate. Maybe you had a decent home while growing up, with good parenting? Maybe your IQ is higher than the average from certain "hoods"?

IQ is not a dependable indication of actuarial potential nor is it genetically racial.
(Firstborns almost always have higher IQs than later children; equal origin does not yield equal outcome in nature so we can’t rely on that regionally or racially)
There’s some data that suggest a higher intellect actually reduces average success and satisfaction in life…

Maybe you grew up in better times when schools used to be halfway decent?

Umm. No. I spent most of my k-12 school years in private school: economically I didn’t belong there. My parents wanted us there- not in public schools.
I was in public school 7-8th grade.

My basic education was sound but lacked much of the broader understanding one might get in a different environment. Plus ‘some kids’ helped me understand my clothing or whatever wasn’t as good as theirs… I was often bored and - ADD we call it today- distracted in school but thirsty for knowledge. After school I quenched that at the public library. Concord NH was a good place to get to understand US history and independent thinking.

In my adult years I have poorly capitalized on whatever my white privilege is supposed to be. Not always “my fault” but that’s why I’m cynical. I’ve never been to Missouri but I don’t trust much these days with seeing.

I don’t know what my IQ is. I do know there’s a lot of well educated people today that aren’t very smart! We have more educated people today and yet IQ is declining?! Strangely, IQ is partly a result of the previous generation’s cultural norms, character, and work ethic. The following generation exhibits IQ rises, a phenomenon observable even in the post civil war years within our black community.

The first thing our country needs today is industriousness. Our past immigrant families are tremendous examples of wielding opportunities and achieving positive outcomes.