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Here we go again - upgrades plus new install

EastTexCowboy

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Long post - sorry! I haven't been hanging around here for awhile but partly that's because I get addicted to this place so I have to back off a little. I have some fun projects I'm just getting started on so I'll post some pictures as it goes along. And more than likely whine and ask for help at one point or another. Okay, maybe not. Hopefully not. But probably.

Two more or less separate projects. The first and major one is to upgrade the two existing MPP 6548 inverters to two EG4 18kpv inverters and add some more batteries. I've ordered the inverters as of today (actually ordered three since the other project gets one) and I ordered a slew of EVE cells from Amy at Docan earlier this week. SS is shipping the inverters along with a pallet of panels (panels mostly for the other project) and I'll be going into Houston next week to pick up the battery cells, cases, etc.

The two inverters will replace the existing, as stated, but I'll also be completely reworking my wiring and cables and installing a metal trough and conduit to clean all that mess up. I'm going to build two 280ah batteries which should give me another 28kwh of battery added to the 60kwh I have now. Current batteries are 12 of the EG4 Lifepower rack mount so I'll be mixing battery types and figuring all that out but I don't think it will be a big problem. I plan on running the inverters parallel at this point, but we'll see. I may be able to get by with one inverter and have the other ready as a spare. Probably not though, because once I get the inverter and battery part done I'm going to upgrade my existing dedicated breaker panel to something larger so I can add a few more circuits.

Along with the upgrade I'll be reconfiguring my panel arrays to four 8s arrays. Right now they are 4s2p due to the voltage limitations on the MPP inverters. I think this may give me a little more production. I know I'm losing a little due to resistance with the 20a voltage on those circuits, I just don't know how much. At some point I may look at adding another array for this system but it depends on how my other project goes.

Second project is I'll be building another shop and this one is going to be solar from the start. It will be a 30' x 40', spray foam insulated, and a mini split for HVAC. This one gets the other 18kpv and another bank of two of the 280ah batteries. This should run the equipment going in the shop since it will not usually be running 8 hours a day or anything like that. The biggest loads will be a metal lathe and milling machine, 240v single phase, and then the other odds and ends tools like band saws, mig welder, plasma cutter etc. I know - I can't run all that at once but I don't see that ever being an issue. It's just me working out there. Just in case, I think I'm going to have the POCO install a separate meter on the new shop and install a manual transfer switch. Then if I get industrious and don't have enough solar power I can switch to grid. I can get about 6kw of panels on the west facing roof. The east facing is going to be shaded some so we'll see if I end up adding some on that side too. I have a full pallet coming, half of which will be in reserve until I see where and if I need them. Not a lot of production but I think it will handle the expected use and loads.

I just had a water well drilled right behind where the new shop is going and a soft start Grundfos pump installed so I'll be running that on the shop solar as well. It will primarily only be used for water for the cattle and gardens so pretty low use. But it does give me a backup water source in the event our community water has problems, which happens fairly often around here. As long as the animals have water we can make do with bottled water or a few other options.

The last piece of this self-inflicted puzzle is something I've been kicking around. I'm thinking about running conduit from the new shop to the garage where the existing solar lives then installing some kind of three way switch so I could send the solar production from the new shop to augment the system for the house in times of need. I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has done anything like this.

I want to give a shout out to @SignatureSolarJames for taking care of me on the inverters and panels. Much appreciated! My place is starting to look like a Signature Solar ad. And Amy at Docan was very easy to work with and gave me great pricing on the cells, cases and accessories for the batteries. Their website is docanpower.com if you don't already know that.

I also appreciate support and advice from @Gavin Stone. I've been discussing this project with him for a while now and he's been a big help. Thanks, amigo!

I'll post some photos and updates to this thread as I go along but don't expect it to happen quickly. I'm working by myself and I'm a little long in the tooth so it's going to take a minute or two. :cool:
 
Long post - sorry! I haven't been hanging around here for awhile but partly that's because I get addicted to this place so I have to back off a little. I have some fun projects I'm just getting started on so I'll post some pictures as it goes along. And more than likely whine and ask for help at one point or another. Okay, maybe not. Hopefully not. But probably.

Two more or less separate projects. The first and major one is to upgrade the two existing MPP 6548 inverters to two EG4 18kpv inverters and add some more batteries. I've ordered the inverters as of today (actually ordered three since the other project gets one) and I ordered a slew of EVE cells from Amy at Docan earlier this week. SS is shipping the inverters along with a pallet of panels (panels mostly for the other project) and I'll be going into Houston next week to pick up the battery cells, cases, etc.

I'm installing SRNE 10Kw ASP's in the shop, thinking about pulling the LV6548's out and using one in my new work trailer getting built this winter. No PV on the trailer, I can charge batteries when I'm plugged in.


The last piece of this self-inflicted puzzle is something I've been kicking around. I'm thinking about running conduit from the new shop to the garage where the existing solar lives then installing some kind of three way switch so I could send the solar production from the new shop to augment the system for the house in times of need. I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has done anything like this.

I'm in the process of trenching conduit between the house and shop and will just use a Chargeverter on each end. This allows shifting power from house system to the shop in summer (shop is air conditioned) and shifting power from shop to house in winter (heating house with heat pumps).
 
I'm installing SRNE 10Kw ASP's in the shop, thinking about pulling the LV6548's out and using one in my new work trailer getting built this winter. No PV on the trailer, I can charge batteries when I'm plugged in.

I'm in the process of trenching conduit between the house and shop and will just use a Chargeverter on each end. This allows shifting power from house system to the shop in summer (shop is air conditioned) and shifting power from shop to house in winter (heating house with heat pumps).
I'm trying to figure out what to do with the LV6548s. They're not worth anything but they still work great. Something will come up, I'm sure.

That's not a bad idea on the chargeverters. But it would take some serious cabling to send that much DC power the 150' or more between the buildings. That's why I was thinking of of doing it with PV output where I could up the volts and keep the amps low.
 
That was important to me as well.
My systems can share the loads with each other and send power to each other for battery charging, if needed.
 
That was important to me as well.
My systems can share the loads with each other and send power to each other for battery charging, if needed.
But isn't all your stuff under one roof? Either way, I'll probably be hollering at you when I start trying to figure out the best way to make that work. By the way, how in the hell are you, amigo? How many kwh are you up to now? I know I won't catch you but I'm going to keep trying ... 😅
 
No change yet, but hopefully soon.
Except for the small battery bank in the garage system.
I got a pretty good deal from Amy at Docan. $73 each for 280ah and $560 for a case with JK BMS, busbars, etc. I'm picking up in Houston so no shipping helps a lot. Ended up getting 68 cells - 4 packs of 16 and 4 spares that I'm gonna slap together later for a 12v to use around the place. I'll have to pick up a 12v BMS. I'm thinking it would work great on my gooseneck dump trailer.
 
I'm installing SRNE 10Kw ASP's in the shop, thinking about pulling the LV6548's out and using one in my new work trailer getting built this winter. No PV on the trailer, I can charge batteries when I'm plugged in.
I looked at one of those but I figured it was worth the difference to have three identical inverters. In a jam I could swap out the one from the shop if I had a failure on one at the house.
 
Picked up my battery cells and cases today in Houston. Waiting on a part for my truck so we took the wife's Expedition. I had figured it should all fit with no problem. Of course I had it in my head that there were 4 cells per box without really confirming. I got the box dimensions and did a little cyphering and yeah, it should fit. Turns out there 2 cells per box so there were twice as many boxes as I thought. I looked at all the boxes and four cases on their pallet and said something like, Oh crap. But I got them all stuffed in there. I think I could have squeezed in one more box of two cells but otherwise every space was taken. When I got back in the rig my wife says, "I was thinking I was going to have a couple of those boxes on my lap. Didn't you say they would fit no problem?" I wisely just smiled and said yeah, it was close. Ugh.

So here's my new batteries - some assembly required.

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Got a pallet of panels and three 18kpv inverters this afternoon. Now I have all the major components and just need to do the work. Having some issues with the JK BMS in the Apexium box (posted in another thread with similar problem), but hopefully I get that worked out soon. Need to find someone to build me a wire trough and pick up some conduit and fittings. I'm shooting for having the house done before the end of the year then I'll see where I am on the new shop. Lots to do and that's not counting all the fencing I need to do this fall. Keeps me from getting bored. 😅

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Zoro is great for saving money. But the shipping sometimes takes longer than expected. I bought my 3 service panels, and the site said "ships within 48hrs".
They arrived 2 months later, but I saved $300.
 
Go to Zoro for a trough, there are some coupons available too. I think my last trough was under $60 shipped.
Must be a different Zoro. Their 6" x 6" x 72", which is not nearly big enough, is over $500. I figured I'd try the local electrical supply. I think they build them.
 
I also have to figure out the best way to connect the two new batteries once I get them built. I'm thinking a couple small busbars to connect them parallel then connect them to my 1000a victron shunt. I think I still have one connection open on it. Which reminds me, I need to order another Class T fuse. Always the little things that drive up the cost.
 

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