I really like the new powerpro battery..

[Will Prowse]

No hand truck or any kind of lift. I'm 70+ and so is my neighbor. My driveway is 200'. I do have a John Deere and a cart, but after it's on the cart???????????

Yeah that's a tough situation. I would hire someone in that situation. There has to be a college kid nearby that wouldn't mind wheeling that up for you for some money.

 

[wildbillpdx]

There has to be a college kid

Or two or three...

 

[Oldphile]

I found a lighter battery that fits my need and budget. It will take 3 to = KWH of the PowerPro.

 

[Jim in Florida]

I ordered the EG4 combo 18Kpv with 2 PowerPro batteries. Has anyone found a way to blend it with the EG4 Chargeverter?
The manual for the 18Kpv shows direct generator support but I am still concerned with modified sine wave issues.

 

[Will Prowse]

I ordered the EG4 combo 18Kpv with 2 PowerPro batteries. Has anyone found a way to blend it with the EG4 Chargeverter?
The manual for the 18Kpv shows direct generator support but I am still concerned with modified sine wave issues.

I would connect it to the amphenol connector. There will be spares. And that will also make the system waterproof. I would use a butt splice connector and marine grade heat shrink between the two. Actually wait, that would be 2/0 to 4 gauge. Hmmm that is not ideal. Anyone else have ideas on how to connect these together so that it is still waterproof?

And what MSW issue?

 

[Jim in Florida]

I would connect it to the amphenol connector. There will be spares. And that will also make the system waterproof. I would use a butt splice connector and marine grade heat shrink between the two. Actually wait, that would be 2/0 to 4 gauge. Hmmm that is not ideal. Anyone else have ideas on how to connect these together so that it is still waterproof?

And what MSW issue?

I have two 600 amp bus bars that I was thinking about mounting in the box above the battery then down to the battery using their cabling.
I have a 12k generator but it is not pure sine wave. When the chargeverters first came out it was said some of the inverters were being damaged by the smaller generators due to dirty power.

 

[Quattrohead]

When the chargeverters first came out it was said some of the inverters were being damaged by the smaller generators due to dirty power.

Well of course a sales person is gonna tell you that !!! It is more to do with the inverter qualifying a generator as a valid input due to frequency instability and dummies connecting the wrong voltage 120/240.
If you are not pulling a permit then connect them however you know is safe.

 

[Will Prowse]

I have two 600 amp bus bars that I was thinking about mounting in the box above the battery then down to the battery using their cabling.
I have a 12k generator but it is not pure sine wave. When the chargeverters first came out it was said some of the inverters were being damaged by the smaller generators due to dirty power.

Yeah it's designed to work with dirty ac output. Should be good

 

[Jim in Florida]

Using resources I have on hand. There is no real challenge hooking up generator inlet box a outlet or directly to the inverter.
With the cost of this equipment looking to make sure there is no excuse to void a warranty.

 

[cs1234]

I would make sure to get it in writing from SignatureSolar first that they approve the use of an open loop charger (even their own) on their PowerPro batteries and EG4 18kwpv setup. Especially if you are using the inverter/batteries in a closed loop config.

@Markus_SignatureSolar @SignatureSolarJames

Is it cool to use the chargeverter in the above scenario? Open/Closed loop?

 

[James Showalter]

Chargeverter has always been approved for open loop, we regulated the voltage and amp output to prevent back current

 

[cs1234]

Chargeverter has always been approved for open loop, we regulated the voltage and amp output to prevent back current

Open loop yes. Can the Powerpro battery and 18kwpv be in closed loop, and the chargeverter still be used? Or does the whole system have to be in open loop? I recall seeing something somewhere about different warranty/service terms when the inverter/batteries are used in open loop.

 

[timselectric]

Open loop yes. Closed loop no?

Chargeverter is only open loop.

 

[FilterGuy]

Open loop yes. Closed loop no?

The best setup is to have closed loop between the battery and the inverter... then put the chargeverter in parallel, and the chargeverter is always open loop.

 

[cs1234]

Chargeverter is only open loop.

I meant can the powerpro battery and inverter be in closed loop, and the chargeverter be in open loop and SignatureSolar still be ok with it, warranty wise.

 

[James Showalter]

Yes, the chargeverter will not drive voltage high enough to cause issues

 

[cs1234]

Yes, the chargeverter will not drive voltage high enough to cause issues

Is the chargeverter the only charger that won't create warranty concerns with the powerpro/18kwpv setup?

Or do you allow other potential chargers to join the fun? As far as I'm aware, there isn't anything special about the chargeverter that separates it from the charging algorithms of a Victron / Schneider 48v capable MPPT, they can all be set to not overcharge a battery, and won't by default if lifepo4 settings are selected.

I suspect there may be concerns involving no UL9540(whatever flavor applies) certs on other charging configurations, but then, the chargeverter is also not listed to be run with these batteries or inverter.

 

[timselectric]

I meant can the powerpro battery and inverter be in closed loop, and the chargeverter be in open loop and SignatureSolar still be ok with it, warranty wise.

I would be very surprised if any charger was a problem for warranty.

 

[Alkaline]

I kinda like the server rack form factor.
100Ah appears to be a sweet spot for maneuverability and still be compact.

Once you get over 60 lbs its not really moveable friendly, server racks are already pushing 100 lbs. I'm not sure why everyone is poo poo-ing this battery, I thought its decent priced with good build quality.

 

[cs1234]

I would be very surprised if any charger was a problem for warranty.

SignatureSolar has stated things in regards to warranties/service exchange methods previously, regarding open vs closed loops. Remember, this thread? You made a few posts in it yourself. Granted, they were talking about 3rd party open loop batteries in that situation, but any chargers other than the inverter are likely to not be in the loop of the inverter and battery and thus relying on "open loop" methods.

I find it best to have everything laid out in the open warranty wise, to avoid gotchas and take backs later.

 

[sunsurfer]

If it looks like a mac product and is plug-in instant gratification, it will sell really well. That is what most of the sheep want. Good looking and no work to get it going.

Most people don't care about the annoying "details", they just want to install it quick so they can get back to their interwebs and such...

 

[timselectric]

SignatureSolar has stated things in regards to warranties/service exchange methods previously, regarding open vs closed loops. Remember, this thread? You made a few posts in it yourself. Granted, they were talking about 3rd party open loop batteries in that situation, but any chargers other than the inverter are likely to not be in the loop of the inverter and battery and thus relying on "open loop" methods.

I find it best to have everything laid out in the open warranty wise, to avoid gotchas and take backs later.

There's no way for anyone to know that an external charger was even used. So, I don't see how it matters.

 

[cs1234]

There's no way for anyone to know that an external charger was even used. So, I don't see how it matters.

Is there not? The logs on the 18kwpv can probably tell how much power it put into the close loop batteries over time. It knows how much AC passes through it and how much solar. It knows how much it discharges. Anything else inflating/deflating the battery percentages must be coming from something outside that loop.

 

[FilterGuy]

There's no way for anyone to know that an external charger was even used. So, I don't see how it matters.

Is there not? The logs on the 18kwpv can probably tell how much power it put into the close loop batteries over time. It knows how much AC passes through it and how much solar. It knows how much it discharges. Anything else inflating/deflating the battery percentages must be coming from something outside that loop.

What are we debating? I read post #291 from James as saying it is supported. Did I misread it?

 

[timselectric]

Is there not? The logs on the 18kwpv can probably tell how much power it put into the close loop batteries over time. It knows how much AC passes through it and how much solar. It knows how much it discharges. Anything else inflating/deflating the battery percentages must be coming from something outside that loop.

I think that this is a little bit of paranoid thinking.
It's not as serious as you may think.
If they could determine that another charging source was used.
And they decided to void someone's warranty because of it.
They wouldn't remain in business for very long after.