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I hear people say this about insurance, all of the time.
Insurance pays claims on accidents.
So, unless you intentionally cause damage, it's an accident.
Insurance pays claims on accidents.
So, unless you intentionally cause damage, it's an accident.
If that “accident” involves anything that’s illegal or non compliant then the company has grounds to refuse the claim, at least here in Europe. The small print on auto insurance says that the vehicle must be fully compliant & any modifications legal & the company informed. There have been cases of claims denied even if the infraction had nothing to do with the accident, the classic car being a 4x4 with a winch or snorkel fitted without paperwork.
The job of the insurance loss adjuster is to adjust the losses of the insurance company as close to zero as possible.
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Not the case in the states.
Unless they can prove intent, it's an accident and covered.
We protect our stupid people from themselves. That's why we have so many.
So what does that do to insurance prices ? Sounds like an invitation to try and rinse the insurer. In the example I quoted, non compliance with the regulations would leave you up shit creek.
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I don't know how the rates compare to other places.
In my opinion it's expensive.
Basic insurance, fire, theft, glass,third party liability & national breakdown recovery costs €300 a year for my late 90s Landcruiser.
Quattrohead
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Some parts of the USA, that payment would be per month for the same coverage.
Here in Idaho the least you will need is a permit. Idaho is very pro property owner. If you are going to grid tie i.e.. be able to pull a little from the grid you will need to jump through Idaho powers hoops. This will involve getting their permission (fill out forms). Hybrid inverters are acceptable as long as they are 1973sb compliant. This is for Idaho Power, Not Idaho itself. After you get permission from IP then you install and they come out and inspect. Good luck.
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That's pretty inexpensive.
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That might confuse people.
Grid-tied, means that your system is running in parallel with the grid. Which gives the ability to export to the grid. This requires permission and an agreement with the power company.
Off grid systems can pull from the grid at any time, without any special permission. Just like regular customers on grid, without any solar system.
Idaho power states that if you are hooked to their system in any way they want their paperwork and the accompanying fees. They are not solar friendly. At the least, when you’re power consumption drops you can expect a visit from IP.
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Do they require paperwork, when you buy a new, more efficient refrigerator?
(it's the same thing)
They have no say in what you do to reduce consumption. As long as you don't interact with their system.
I don't doubt that they will take notice, and become curious.
But, it's none of their business. And there's nothing that they can do about it.
Reading the small print the breakdown recovery is Europe wide & including onward transport to destination or home or any overnight stays. Not included is self inflicted accidents- if I put it in a ditch, it’s on me.
For the op, I think a plug in battery charger could be the solution? Safety and third party damages aside, this whole subject is great example of the corporate socialism that exists in all our countries, monopolies or at best oligopolies with subsidies paid for by us & legislation written by politicians in their pockets. In Spain, the national generation companies get €900 million a year so they can keep “spare generation capacity “ available. It would be nice if I could have some spare chainsaws paid for by the taxpayers, in case one gets squashed by a tree?
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All Electrical permitting in Idaho is handled through the state, including Solar.
Norm Doyle
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If you are in Idaho, permits for solar and electrical (and HVAC and plumbing) are handled by the state not county and are still required.
I can’t seem to be able to copy the revenant pages, but on the Idaho Power website it states any unauthorized distributed energy system (solar) run in parallel with their system will result in the power being cut. If the PO already has a system he still needs to get IP permission to upgrade. If it’s a new system IP has to approve it if you are running in parallel with their system.
rodrick
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Being 10 miles from the nearest power pole does have some advantages and no county regs or permits is just icing on the cake
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That's typical, for every power company.
I think people keep getting confused by the different "varieties" of systems available. The ones that have the current transformer and you have it configured to try and have your PV offset your usage are at risk of sending power back to the grid even if you don't have a permit. All the "inverter/charger" type systems still can have grid power connected to them but can't send power back to the grid unless you specifically configure it to do so (if it supports it at all). They usually also can be configured as a UPS and detect grid down and power the loads connected to it still without any risk of power being sent to the grid. So this "inverter/charger" system would be no different then any other appliance connected to your service panel.
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Absolutely
This is a grid-tied system.
And this is an off-grid system.
jeff.lankford
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I don't understand this statement. Did you mean off-grid inverters are not allowed to back-feed power to the grid? They certainly can be connected, unless you're talking about a different type of device than what companies like EG4 call an "off grid" inverter.
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The actual off grid inverter isn't connected to the grid.
But an off-grid AIO has a transfer switch built in that can connect to the grid. And pass grid power through to the loads.
Like, the EG 4 6000 XP??
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