I'm DONE with MPP Solar

robby

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The search feature was relevant because I used it to ..well search. I think it was "solark shutting down" or something like that and it took me to page six of that thread where you were front and center doing the same thing there. I went two pages back and two pages forward, for generalization, and it was the same talking points. I don't have time to read 11 pages of diatribe looking for innate wisdom why somebodies right and others are wrong all the time. It's not spoon feeding somebody to make a specific citation / reference point to help solidify a point for somebody new to the argument. Again, get over yourself! Yes, companies compare competitors products all the time, no they don't blatantly lie about the other vendors products because that is a law suite if it's proven it was "Intentional". I've worked in labs doing this very testing on several occasions for IT hardware and software. You basically just regurgitated what I said on this topic. I stand by I don't believe David or SS was trying to intentionally be deceptive. You're finding malice because your triggered and looking for it. People make unintentional mistakes, I believe this to be the case and both parties updated with relevant information after the fact that seems to state this is in fact true. I'll have to believe them because there's nothing that I personally saw that persuades a different outcome for me. You feel different, so be it. The fact you have to criticize his wife shows just how triggered you got, it's funny and sad at the same time. Try coming down from that righteous perch and see others viewpoints.

I'll admit I missed the (L-L) surge requirements.. so for that I'll have to apologize and concede to you. You were correct, I was incorrect! Based on what you're saying and according to the manual the inverter can only handle surges for 240V loads; if this fact is true that's a bad design for the NA market. This inverter seems to be primarily engineered for the EU style market and retrofitted for the NA market. This inverter is sold as a grid tie inverter in the NA market; most of us have all electric houses and only having surge capabilities on 240V only circuits is less than desirable. I can balance the loads in the panel but can't control when the AC/oven/stove/dryer is on at any one point, as there's multiple people in this house, and then somebody needs to use a 120V heavy load like a simple blow dryer etc. This explains why the autotransformer worked since it helped balance the loads ..including surge loads across the two legs. And, no you should have to drop another $8k for a pair to make up for a bad design.
Exactly what I though, you don't have time to read it but you do have time to ask me to go back and read it for you and feed you the answers.
Just don't ask questions that are already answered in the thread. Just like the L-L problem that he did not understand their are numerous other issues pointed out. If you want to label them as diatribe without reading it then fine, but don't ask me to find the answers for you when your the one that linked a thread you refuse to read.
I still cannot get over how you claimed to have read the thread then asked me a question that was answered on the very first page.:rolleyes:
 

realpinochet

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Exactly what I though, you don't have time to read it but you do have time to ask me to go back and read it for you and feed you the answers.
Just don't ask questions that are already answered in the thread. Just like the L-L problem that he did not understand their are numerous other issues pointed out. If you want to label them as diatribe without reading it then fine, but don't ask me to find the answers for you when your the one that linked a thread you refuse to read.
I still cannot get over how you claimed to have read the thread then asked me a question that was answered on the very first page.:rolleyes:
I never claimed to have read the whole thread, I've explained this! Bruh, you really have a over active imagination reading more into things that are not there. I'm going to go ahead and exit stage left as I don't think this is healthy or productive for either one of us. On a serious note, I do appreciate you providing the factual info on the surge capabilities.
 
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cs1234

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Based on what you're saying and according to the manual the inverter can only handle surges for 240V loads; if this fact is true that's a bad design for the NA market. This inverter seems to be primarily engineered for the EU style market and retrofitted for the NA market. This inverter is sold as a grid tie inverter in the NA market; most of us have all electric houses and only having surge capabilities on 240V only circuits is less than desirable.

Wow, thanks for bringing that up. I hadn't read that massive thread either. That is certainly a *flaw* in my eyes, and I'm glad to know about it. Do they mention that with an * asterisk in their marketing material? They should be legally required to.
 

realpinochet

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Wow, thanks for bringing that up. I hadn't read that massive thread either. That is certainly a *flaw* in my eyes, and I'm glad to know about it. Do they mention that with an * asterisk in their marketing material? They should be legally required to.
I don't see that mentioned in a fashion to make it standout, it's in the manual but easy to overlook. They can do better on the naming scheme and stuff like this for sure.
 

Sanwizard

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I've done a fair amount of research both on the internet and here with actual users which is how I arrived at my conclusions. It's not uncommon to see folks using the solark complain about it shutting down all the time even under limited surge / load. Nuisance tripping! Solark is way too expensive to justify and defend this behavior when a tier 3 inverter like mpp doesn't suffer or suffers less and cost 1/4 the price. IMHO the deye built inverters are far superior in overall build quality than mpp and growatt and I'd buy a deye 16k at a competitive price point even with knowing what's stated above. I don't know if the solark 15k suffers from this as I've not seen people report on this yet! That older gentlemen provided good technical information and it was relevant! As for Poz...I could care less if they are "Good Friends", and hang out on the weekend smoking cigars and drinking scotch it does not take away from the information presented. The one negative takeaway from Schneider is the atrocious customer support for DIY..I'll give you that all day and twice on Sundays. Aside from the latter the xw is solid and feature rich if you can get it installed correctly. Same for the radian but they have much better support and their own diy forums so that's a plus.
More proof of Sol-Ark having single phase issues, even when massively paralleled.
 

chess-equality

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I'm planning on having the large array due south and then right next to it a smaller array to catch the last four or so hours due west. I'd prefer to have a adjustable mount. This is the ones I was talking about, I think engineer 775 uses these. There's no concrete involved as they are forced into the ground with a press or whatever you call that device he uses. Unless I can rent one for a reasonable price it's more feasible old school hole and concrete with have to suffice. I'll probably use those concrete tube forms. I'll have to check the price of iron pipe ..cause it might be cheaper to just get some pipe and rails and break out the welder.

https://www.sinclair-designs.com/Sky-Rack-2.0-Ground-Solar-Mount?quantity=1&custcol_gen_tilt=1

I think there is a very large array in the west, how much power does this generate, ballpark?

 

realpinochet

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More proof of Sol-Ark having single phase issues, even when massively paralleled.
Yep, I saw that a few months ago when I was researching this issue. That thread mentioned above...I read a little more but I was right in picking up the general consensus in just a few pages. There's so many people in that thread with the same issues regardless of balance or firmware. In fact.. one user, page 7 I think, shows where solark support sent him a auto transformer where they stated it would resolve his issues and they were aware of the problem even before Poz or Ben did a video on it. They (solark) really seem sketchy at this point. I'd love to see these deye compared if they could sell them here.



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