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It's All About the Sound. Why Victron Over AIO for New System.

Madcodger

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Well, it's official (and on order) - I went with Victron for the new "she shed / guest house" system instead of an AIO, even though I've been very happy with my EG4 6000XPs in the main house. I completed the order with Current Connected yesterday afternoon, to avoid the threat of additional tariffs should those occur (building will be built over summer). It cost me more money to do this vs using an AIO. So, WHY?

Because in my experience, SCCs that are separate from the inverter are quieter, and in my experience, noise from the SCC(s) is the most interruptive and annoying element of most PV systems because it lasts so long and is not generally tied directly to simultaneous activity in the building. To my thinking, this is one of the most overlooked elements of designing a PV system that you and your family will come to love. This building will have a separate, dedicated mechanical room, but it will be located just off the main living area instead of away from the normal activity or sleeping areas, as is the case for the building where our 6000XPs reside. Quiet is an important element in this new building, so the extra money should be worth it.

I did go with EG4 indoor wall mount PowerPro batteries, and selected the RS 450 100 MPPT instead of one of Victron's passive cooling only units (was considering multiple 250/70s), as real world experience from @Adam De Lay and others show that the RS 450's fans are not loud compared to the "little jets" of my 6000XPs (thanks for the feedback on that, folks!). And yes, I realize that heavy electrical use could cause the dual Quattro inverters to spin up a bit, but that won't likely occur when quiet is desired in the building and it would last only for a few minutes when someone is doing something active, such as vacuuming or using multiple burners on the stove (so not an issue).

Anyway, for those in the future who might find this thread as they think about what to purchase and install, my experience is that sound and location of the equipment are important factors to consider. And while I really like my EG4 AIOs and would definitely purchase them again for a similar situation to the building where we use them, there are also situations where at least some of us want an alternative, quieter, approach.
 
How loud is the inverter and what type?

My Outback Radian is much noisier than my Outback charge controllers, and my smaller 3 kW Samlex is still noisy. I have a 1200 VA Victron inverter that I run at 300 watts and that is quiet.
 
How loud is the inverter and what type?

My Outback Radian is much noisier than my Outback charge controllers, and my smaller 3 kW Samlex is still noisy. I have a 1200 VA Victron inverter that I run at 300 watts and that is quiet.
I went with two 5KVA Quattros for the inverters (it’s not a large building and will have energy efficient appliances). In my experience, Victron inverters are essentially silent until you get past about half their capacity, which will occur only very rarely in this building.

What many folks new to solar fail to grasp is that the inverter is a separate piece of equipment from the solar charge controller. Decent inverters are typically “noisy” only when under a fair amount of load. In contrast, SCCs (MPPTs for most) that have active cooling (fans) often produce noise whenever it’s sunny and they’re working, which can last for hours. I often see people use the term “inverter” to mean almost anything that’s not the panels or batteries. In reality, there are inverters, solar charge controllers (often MPPT type), and chargers. They’re separate pieces of equipment that often get combined by a manufacturer, to create an “All-In-One”, or “AIO”. Even Victron typically combines a charger with their inverters (but not an SCC, which they typically keep separate). For most systems, it’s the SCC that will be working hard for hours at a time, so that’s often the biggest contributor to noise.
 
Why not go with the 5kva Multiplus II's vs the 5k quattros? Just curious. And you are correct, at least with my RS450/100 anytime it's doing over 1KW the fans come on but they are very slight and can barely hear them when I walk in the basement.
 
There's four fan levels ime with my 450/100

Single fan turns on at >1000W. Very quiet.
Both fans turn on at around 3kW of output. Still quiet
5kW - getting there, both fans increase in speed
Heavily ovepanneled and cloud edge, full speed as it deals with the surge.

Still a lower frequency noise, mostly the sound of air, in all modes. If you dont overpanel heavy you prob will never hear the max fan mode.

However I prefer total silence so going with more 250/100s in the future.
 
I run a rack fan on top of my AIO. Can barely hear it run, uses next to nothing in electric. Keeps the AIO fan from coming on from normal use. Only comes on when there is high solar production. I don't mind hearing that.
 
There's another way.

Buy whatever inverter you want.

Install it and bask under the jet sounding mini turbines when there's a tiny load required.

Fume and go on diysolar forums searching for remedies.

No one has decent information on the subject, so don't bother.

Order some quiet fans.

Install fans.

Live in inverter silence.

Post your results on diysolar.

You'll hear only crickets...just like the inverter...
 
However I prefer total silence so going with more 250/100s in the future.
Right, and if it turns out you need a fan on the passively cooled SCCs,
you can buy your own fan that balances your ear noise tolerance with cooling performance.

I don’t even hear the fan I use to cool my SmartSolar 250/100 and 250/70.
 
For the price of 2 Quattro 5ks alone you can get a 11.6kw Hoymiles HYS series 48v AIO and use off grid. No fans, all passive cooling and don’t need separate SCCs and 10 year warranty.
 
The only annoying sound in my system are the chargeverters.
Luckily they are rarely needed. And when they are, I'm more upset with why they are needed. So that screaming is just a reminder that I'm still not done, yet. lol
You should hear the yellow one in the shop. You know it is working, no doubt about that.

The SRNE's even when getting full PV power are half the noise.
 
An AIO which contains a MPPT should be more efficient than using a separate SCC and inverter. The high voltage DC bus is easier to step down than to step up from 48V in a DC converter.

I run a pair of separate SCC's and don't use the MPPT's in the LV6548's. I know I lose some efficiency. The new array being installed by the house will feed a pair of SRNE ASP's. The SCC's will remain but might not see full time use.
 
You should hear the yellow one in the shop. You know it is working, no doubt about that.

The SRNE's even when getting full PV power are half the noise.
You should hear the ones @timselectric is using.

They are absolutely absurd.

I have one here.

At 200 watts pv charge they are over 50db already.


70db lol.

70 fucking db.
 
Sounds similar to my SCC's under full PV power. I actually am like Tim, I know things are working and yield is high. Mine are in the basement, I can slightly hear them at the top of the stairs if the door is open or in the bathroom which is directly above the system.

My heat pump water heater is just as loud or louder.
 
There's four fan levels ime with my 450/100

Single fan turns on at >1000W. Very quiet.
Both fans turn on at around 3kW of output. Still quiet
5kW - getting there, both fans increase in speed
Heavily ovepanneled and cloud edge, full speed as it deals with the surge.

Still a lower frequency noise, mostly the sound of air, in all modes. If you dont overpanel heavy you prob will never hear the max fan mode.

However I prefer total silence so going with more 250/100s in the future.
My camera picks this sound up every time. Have to turn this thing off if I'm going to film. Seems to travel through my shop easily. If it's maxed out, it's loud.
 
Or the solis s6 hv inverter which is also fanless and probably 6-10 % more efficient than a comparable Victron system
LOL... like my "Fanless design, long lifespan" Solis which has 2 fans inside? ;)

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(see https://diysolarforum.com/threads/solis-s5-various-issues.52383/post-701914 for an internal breakdown)
 
I respect everyone’s dislike about fans…it’s a choice… but if I’m in a room without a fan running somewhere , by God I’m Gona turn one on….. maybe two…

It also means my equipment is getting power…

Love the sound of a droning fan …especially sleeping…

Silence is sorta creepy.

J.
 

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