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LiTime BMS not working correctly?

Wildernessbob

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Hey everyone,
ok, i think i know how a BMS is supposed to work, but maybe not. i have a brand new Litime 12v 200AH battery, setup the litime battery monitor, and have it connected to an Aims inverter charger. i fully charged the battery, fully discharged the battery until the BMS shut down, and programmed the monitor. this is a backup system for my well sanitizer, so it's not a heavy load and i've only used it once since it was installed at the end of the winter season when we have our power outages. and because of that, i turned off the battery charger on the inverter so the battery could rest at 80% until next season. unfortunately the inverter requires 12v input in order to work even in bypass mode, which i didn't know. so there was a constant 8W draw and i "forgot" to turn the charger back on. so the battery drained down completely, and this is where i get confused, to 8.82v before the inverter stopped functioning and i lost power to my system. so, the question is, should the BMS have not shut down the battery @ 10v? because now i can't charge the battery with the inverter because it needs >10v to operate, and my smart battery charger will not recognize the battery. that's problem #1. ok, i need a 0v charger, fine. problem #2, surely i can't be expected to have to monitor the battery every time the system is used and disconnect it when it gets down to 10V. what if it's the middle of the night? go up to the shop in my jammies to disconnect the battery, in the dark! :oops: i won't even know when it gets to that DOD because i can't monitor it from my house. am i missing something or did the BMS not function correctly? the whole system has all sorts of parameters and safeguards doesn't it? the charger has settings to monitor the charge to prevent over charging, as does the BMS, and it has settings to shut down at specific DOD as does the BMS. i would have thought that it's pretty much turn it on and walk away, more or less. normal mains power supply, the inverter/ charger bypasses power to my well system, monitors the battery SOC and keeps the battery safely at 100%, while BMS is also monitoring the charge and battery to make sure it's within parameters and not overcharged, too hot etc. then when the mains power is interrupted, the inverter switches to inverter mode draining power form the battery to keep the well system running. when mains power is restored the charger checks the battery SOC and begins charging again. now, i would have thought that should the mains power remain off long enough that the battery SOC drops to the set point in the inverter/ charger, it's supposed to turn off, and if that fails, and the inverter remains on, the BMS will continue monitoring the battery and when it detects the battery voltage to be below the industry standard set point of 10v for LiFePo that it would then turn off the battery. when mains power is restored all should go back to normal, right? am i. missing something?
 
Hey everyone,
ok, i think i know how a BMS is supposed to work, but maybe not. i have a brand new Litime 12v 200AH battery, setup the litime battery monitor, and have it connected to an Aims inverter charger. i fully charged the battery, fully discharged the battery until the BMS shut down, and programmed the monitor. this is a backup system for my well sanitizer, so it's not a heavy load and i've only used it once since it was installed at the end of the winter season when we have our power outages. and because of that, i turned off the battery charger on the inverter so the battery could rest at 80% until next season. unfortunately the inverter requires 12v input in order to work even in bypass mode, which i didn't know. so there was a constant 8W draw and i "forgot" to turn the charger back on. so the battery drained down completely, and this is where i get confused, to 8.82v before the inverter stopped functioning and i lost power to my system. so, the question is, should the BMS have not shut down the battery @ 10v? because now i can't charge the battery with the inverter because it needs >10v to operate, and my smart battery charger will not recognize the battery. that's problem #1. ok, i need a 0v charger, fine. problem #2, surely i can't be expected to have to monitor the battery every time the system is used and disconnect it when it gets down to 10V. what if it's the middle of the night? go up to the shop in my jammies to disconnect the battery, in the dark! :oops: i won't even know when it gets to that DOD because i can't monitor it from my house. am i missing something or did the BMS not function correctly? the whole system has all sorts of parameters and safeguards doesn't it? the charger has settings to monitor the charge to prevent over charging, as does the BMS, and it has settings to shut down at specific DOD as does the BMS. i would have thought that it's pretty much turn it on and walk away, more or less. normal mains power supply, the inverter/ charger bypasses power to my well system, monitors the battery SOC and keeps the battery safely at 100%, while BMS is also monitoring the charge and battery to make sure it's within parameters and not overcharged, too hot etc. then when the mains power is interrupted, the inverter switches to inverter mode draining power form the battery to keep the well system running. when mains power is restored the charger checks the battery SOC and begins charging again. now, i would have thought that should the mains power remain off long enough that the battery SOC drops to the set point in the inverter/ charger, it's supposed to turn off, and if that fails, and the inverter remains on, the BMS will continue monitoring the battery and when it detects the battery voltage to be below the industry standard set point of 10v for LiFePo that it would then turn off the battery. when mains power is restored all should go back to normal, right? am i. missing something?
Might need to apply a 12v source to wake the battery up. Another 12v battery or a bench power supply would do.
 
They want constant voltage with low current to wake the battery up --- once it is awake you can use the regular charger... If that doesn't work email LiTime support and they will run you through a script of things to try with an overnight turn around on each one and they will replace the battery if they can't get it working.

If you don't want to deal with them or the battery is out of warranty you can always manually wake it up by popping the the top and unplugging the sense/balance cables for a minute... when you plug it back in the BMS will boot and you should be able to charge...
 
They want constant voltage with low current to wake the battery up --- once it is awake you can use the regular charger... If that doesn't work email LiTime support and they will run you through a script of things to try with an overnight turn around on each one and they will replace the battery if they can't get it working.

If you don't want to deal with them or the battery is out of warranty you can always manually wake it up by popping the the top and unplugging the sense/balance cables for a minute... when you plug it back in the BMS will boot and you should be able to charge...
thanks robbob2112 but i'm still unclear about WHY i should have to do this. it's going to happen everytime we lose power for more than 27hrs, which happens often.
 
i tried that with my smart charger that has a 12v power supply function. may need to leave it on longer, but it didn't wake it even after about 4 hrs.
Hmmm it should of woken up instantly if it was a true power supply, It might not be. do you have another battery or a bench power supply?
 
thanks robbob2112 but i'm still unclear about WHY i should have to do this. it's going to happen everytime we lose power for more than 27hrs, which happens often.

Most bms are setup so they cut off at the low voltage... then to wake them up you just put a charge voltage across them.... if the hit high voltage cutoff you put a load on them.

There have been some reports and threads on here where the bms won't wake up on LiTime and others ....and once the back and forth with the mfg is done they either honor the warranty or don't. If they don't there are options and if they do you get new batteries.

Some vendors want bad ones back and some don't. If you get to keep them it's pretty trivial to replace a BMS and have extra batteries.

So in summary, it sucks, but you have options.
 
I connected it to an FLA and it started. the question remains, why? the battery manual says that if the BMS shuts down, to disconnect the load, wait 30 min and it will restart. well it didn't. it's quite a pain in the patoot to disconnect and remove the battery, take it to my car, dig the booster cables out of the trunk, (where they are nicely stowed out of the way because i never really need them) connect it for literally 5 seconds, then put it all back. i know, first world problems. if this is the way it's supposed to be, it would be less hassle and a lot cheaper if i had just bought a small inverter, a power supply that actually is, and go up to the shop and just turn it on when the power goes out, charge the battery when it's dead. still, there must be something wrong with the BMS, it did not automatically reset as the manual says it should.
 
I connected it to an FLA and it started. the question remains, why? the battery manual says that if the BMS shuts down, to disconnect the load, wait 30 min and it will restart. well it didn't. it's quite a pain in the patoot to disconnect and remove the battery, take it to my car, dig the booster cables out of the trunk, (where they are nicely stowed out of the way because i never really need them) connect it for literally 5 seconds, then put it all back. i know, first world problems. if this is the way it's supposed to be, it would be less hassle and a lot cheaper if i had just bought a small inverter, a power supply that actually is, and go up to the shop and just turn it on when the power goes out, charge the battery when it's dead. still, there must be something wrong with the BMS, it did not automatically reset as the manual says it should.
I assume if it shuts down from over current or over voltage it would restart automagicly.
But under voltage is usually different.
 
One note to the OP -- I have read where someone put 9 x AA batteries in series then used that to wake up the sleeping battery --- the voltage being the important component verse current. In that case they hooked up the charger then put the AA across it in parallel with the charger.

your milage may vary.
 
I still need to look at how the inverter reacts to low voltage. In theory, i would think, it should shut down at low battery voltage to not only prevent battery damage, but in this case, to help ensure the inverter is able to function when the power is restored. Then it would be able to charge the battery again. But as it stands, the battery is drained to the point the BMS cuts out, the inverter can no longer function without battery power and when power is restored the system is dead. That’s useful now isnt it. So it looks like it’s not the battery, but the inverter. I have some research to do.
 
My SW2024 has a low voltage cutoff where it changes from battery to grid when reached -- this is configurable... It would surprise me if any inverter that has an actual interface of some sort doesn't have a setting --- the SW2024 is from 2021 I think -- used a 4 line LCD display originally, now there is an external device that presents a website locally.

The cheaper inverters with practically no setting and no way to interface are what they are... But even my 3000w and 4000w 12v inverters do have a low voltage cutoff that isn't configurable, but it is documented in the manual.
 
Yep, it has DIP switches and i found it was set to 10v. I ve set it to 10.5v which should solve the issue. I’ll have to test it when i get my new battery monitor connected.
Watch this space
 

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