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My solar Pergola build

The weather today cannot make up it's mind. IT was pouring rain most of the morning, then slowed, rained more, stopped, got sunny, then rained again, now it's really sunny. Both Victron systems exceeded their solar panel STC power ratings when the clouds cleared. The garage roof went just over 2,000 watts and the Pergola hit 4,107 watts. I am sure those were short term peaks. I have not scrubbed the trend data yet to see how long it lasted. The Enphase system only topped out at 3,600 watts, but that is a full 15 minute average. I'll bet it hit clip as well on cloud edges. In any case, it once again fully charged the battery bank and we are in Absorb by 3:30 pm.
 
Today has been the worst solar production in a long time. Very heavy clouds and off and on rain all day. There is still a little "daylight" left, but it's not making much power through all the clouds. The Enphase system just managed to break 1 sun hour at 4.9 KWHs. The Pergola system made 4.8 KWHs so far. The garage roof made about 2.3 KWHs. Add that all up and it is less than half what the house used, so the battery SoC is well down from where it should be at this time of day. That being said we are still at about 70% SoC thanks to the full charge yesterday. They are predicting that the sun will come out tomorrow, so I am just going to let it go and run on it's own and see how it ends up. I doubt we will even drop off to grid power tonight, and I am sure it will make it past 9 pm so even if it does, it will be off of the peak rate time. The 36 KWHs of battery does look like it will make 2 typical bad days in a row, but 2 days like today would be pushing it.
 
The battery bank was pulled down to 49.75 volts at 7:50 am this morning before it began to charge back up. The XW-Pro reported the voltage at 49.9 volts. That is only 0.15 higher which is a much smaller error than I normally see between the Victron and the Schneider readings. Using the Victron numbers, which agree much better with my Fluke meter, that works out to 3.55 volts per cell. At the point the voltage stopped dropping and then began climbing, the current is essentially zero. So that works out to roughly 20% SoC. All of the charging came from the Victron charge controllers. They went into Absorb at around 3 pm. So it took just over 7 hours to hit full charge. The Victron charge controllers are set to absorb at 57.6 volts or 4.11 volts per cell or 94% SoC. Going by those numbers, the battery climbed 74%. 74% of the rated 36 KWHs is 26.6 KWHs. The 2 Victron charge controllers produced 17.2 and 7.9 KWHs for a total of 25.1 KWHs. The State of charge estimates are a little off, but not by too much. I am just visually plotting lines on a generic NMC discharge curve graph, and my cells could be a little degraded after 4 yeas of daily cycles. I am only off by 5.5% so not bad at all.

Here is the battery graph from yesterday with very little sun coming in.
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It did manage to charge a little, but after th full day, the state of charge was dropping bad.
Here is what it id today when the sun finally came back out.
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The charge current from the two DC systems ended up hitting about 100 amps around 2PM and you can clearly see then drop into absorb mode. The battery voltage didn't start to drop at all until 6:30 pm when the loads finally exceed all solar production. From 8:40 am to 6:00 pm all of the extra Enphase system production was exported to grid for credit. The XW-Pro was just sitting in standby with the current going just above and below the 0 amp line. We did have some clouds come in around 10 am and again around noon, but the Enphase panels were still making enough to power all the house loads at the time. Here is the graph from that system for today.
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The peak power did hit clipping of 3.9 KW at 1:30-1:45 pm. The clouds only dropped the power to 2.4 KW. That is so much better than the day before when it did this.
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The peak power on the 14th only made it up to 1.6 KW and it dipped below 500 watts for most of the day. But even at that low of production, the system total managed to net export 1.19 KWHs out to the grid. Basically, the house ran off the battery as expected and we had enough capacity. The real test will be summer when the A/C has to run. But looking at the numbers, the production is enough now, but I think I may need a little more battery. I have 720 amps hours now. At a nominal 51.8 volts it calculates to 37.3 KWHs. I have been rounding it to 36 KWHs based on just 50 volts. I think I may need about another 100 amp hours (5 KWHs) to truly cover the summer overnight usage.
 
I guess I will put this update here as the Pergola is the major change that made the difference.

I just got my Feb. to Mar. SCE bill.

As usual, they took $11 off of my credit to cover the NBCs and taxes. But I exported a net 452 KWHs for the month and they added $112 to my energy credit for just this one month. The majority of the export happens at the cheapest rate as I just don't want to make waves with SCE. So my credit works out to about 24 cents per KWH. I am totally fine with that. Hopefully I use most of it in the year to get that value out of it. Any I carry over at year end is only going to be credited at something like 2 cents per KWH.

Comparing last year to this year, is huge.

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I exported nearly as much this March as I did last May. And nearly 5 times as much as last March. From -3 per day to -14 per day. When looking at this chart, the Pergola went online in late Jan. and I have been net exporting ever since.
 
We had pretty heavy clouds all day again. I was at work, so I was not here to make any changes to settings. All battery charging was only from the two DC arrays. The little bit of time the AC array managed to exceed the house load, the extra power was exported to grid. Looking at the battery current graph, it looks like the AC system exceeded loads for nearly 5 hours, but this graph alone does not tell how much it exceeded the demand. The average production was only floating around 1.300 watts, so it was not much at all. The house draws about 800 watts with just the base loads running. There is only one peak that hit 1,700 watts for a 5 minute sample. Total production on the Enphase AC system was just 7 KWHs, less than 1.5 sun hours. The two DC systems made 3.03 KWHs and 6.78 KWHs. The battery is down to 65% at about 10:15 PM. That should easily make it through the night.
 
Well, I am impressed.

Today was a gloomy day, the sun never really came out. My Enphase system that typically makes over 26 KWHs a day at this time of year only managed to produce 9.4 KWHs. The highest average for a 15 minute period only hit 2.0 KW from 2:00 to 2:15 pm.

So when I got home from work, I signed into the XW-Pro to see how low the battery had run down. WHAT?? It was still near full. The two DC systems still went into float. The Enphase system just about covered the house load while the sun was up, but it did dip down so the XW was taking power from the batteries, helping to supply the house to keep it from taking grid power, and the DC systems still fully charged it up. Instead of being full by noon, it did take to 3:45 pm to get there, but it still did it. Both of the Victron arrays still went into float for about 2 hours and they still produced 12.5 KWHs into the battery bank. The 4 KWs of panels on the pergola alone did a solid 8.72 KWHs for 2.18 sun hours. That is a lot better than the Enphase system's 9.4 KWHs / 4.8 KWs = 1.9 sun hours. Even the old Amazon panels on the garage did good at 3.73 KWHs / 2 KWs = 1.9 sun hours, matching the Enphase system, even though it was in float for 2 hours.

As we move into summer, the sun angle is getting closer to ideal for the slope of the pergola. The panels look a bit dirty, but I see no need to bother cleaning them with this surplus of power.
 
I guess I posted that a little early. Wow, as bad as yesterday looked, today was far worse. The Enphase system only ended up producing 2.8 KWHs today. OUCH! That is just 0.58 sun hours from the 4.8 KWs of panels. The pergola did way better. It actually managed to pull in 3.11 KWHs from only 4 KWs of panels for 0.78 sun hours. And the garage roof did 1.43 KWHs or 0.72 sun hours. The Victron charge controllers really do well when the conditions are bad. Part of it is they are only converting DC power. The Enphase system is reporting the AC output after the inverter. But that is not enough to account for over 30% more energy production.

The complete total was still only 7.34 KWHs for all three systems combined. And the house used over 20 KWHs. That means the solar today was only good for about 1/3 of our electric energy demand. My 36 KWHs of battery was fully charge yesterday, but today, it didn't even come close. The battery is down to just 51.0 volts right now. It still has to run the overnight loads until we get sun tomorrow. I think it will make it as the inverter won't drop to grid power until the battery falls below 48.5 volts. But, good old iPhone weather is predicting yet another day of clouds tomorrow. I am torn between turning on a little grid charge or just letting it go to see how it handles it. If it is "cloudy" like yesterday, it could recover and do just fine. But if it is "CLOUDY" like it was today, it could fall to grid power at the highest peak rate.
 
... OUCH! That is just 0.58 sun hours from the 4.8 KWs of panels....
Might want to clean them, a low level of dirt might be more impactful for low-light on your older SilFabs. Wondering if the top glass might be slightly weathered allowing that smoke-sheen to adhere more. Or could just be the different tilt impacts different time of day collections. As I recall, the Enphase is ~20° tilt, the pergola and the garage optimized for year round (35°ish)? It would be interesting if the "cheap" panels did better in low-light.
 
We had a lot of rain not too long ago, so all of the panels had a good rinse and looked very clean. The amount of dirt settling on them should be fairly equal. As I said a few posts ago, they look a bit dirty, but the production was excellent in good light conditions. The SilFab panels used to always out produce the garage array in any conditions when I had the BougeRV charge controller. It's appears that the Victron MPPT routine is just that much better in poor light conditions. The Garage array is also rotated closer to due south than both the SilFab Enphase array and the Hyundai pergola arrays which are about 20 degrees west. If we have better sun in the morning up to noon, then that benefits the garage array. We did have a little of that. The garage array is also at the lowest tilt angle which also helps for the first 4 hours of sunlight. The tilt between the roof and pergola is only a couple degrees and they are at the same heading southwest. The Enphase roof system does get a little more morning shading due to the second floor shading part of the lower roof array until 9:30 am. It also shades the back half of the garage array. The pergola has almost no morning shading besides a tree which clears before 9. But due to the clouds making all the light very diffuse, all of the Enphase panels produced nearly identical energy. The lowest panel which does get some palm tree shade still produced 163 watt hours and the highest produced 189 watt hours. That 189 watt hour panel is also the same one that always over produces. I think they gave me a single 350 watt panel while the rest are the 300 watt version. It even has a slightly different bluish grey shade from the others. That is a 15% difference, all the rest are within 10%, and many are within 5% at 170 to 179 WH. With the Victron string array, I only have the total power, so no idea if any panels are under or over producing. But I am very surprised to see the mix of 10 x 100 watt NewPowa panels and 5 200 watt BougeRV panels producing better than the SilFab panels. Even with shading and angles, I never expected them to hit 24% more effective sun hours. That was huge. I have to think it is just the overhead of the Enphase inverters just chopping off a bit of the very little power available. Think of it as a static draw on the system. If they draw 2 watts each, that is 32 watts to break even. As the power goes higher, that loss seems like nothing, but at just 300 watts from the whole array, it is more than a 10% loss. Of course, the DC systems will also see that loss when the energy is taken from the battery and inverted to run the house.

I did chicken out last night and I put the system into a minimum 5% charge rate which is 7 amps or about 400 watts. It's not a whole lot. The battery voltage only climbed from 51.25 to 52 volts in 7 hours. That pulled about 2.8 KWHs from the grid. On the SoC graph for the NMC cells, that is about 40% SoC to 48% SoC. 8% of my 36 KWH capacity would be 2.88 KWHs, so this is a pretty good estimate. This is also in the flattest part of the charge/discharge curve, so it is also the least accurate SoC estimate. I was surprised to see it come out that close. Charging at 7 amps is a little less than 0.01C charge rate, so it is basically a resting voltage measurement. The graph I have shows the curve for 0.25C charge and 0.25C discharge rate voltage. The resting voltage is about halfway between them.

I am going to stop the manual charge before I leave for work, but I will leave charging enabled. If the Enphase system ends up making more than the house needs, the PLC will put it into charge mode to use that energy instead of letting it export to grid.

The sun is still not up, no solar panels near me are making any power. Very few people around me have batteries, so I doubt anyone is pushing any power to the grid. My house is currently pulling about 1,200 watts from the grid with base load and the 400 watt charge going. But my grid voltage is already a bit high at 244.8 volts. I am watching it to see if it steps down at all. I really think that is what is causing the XW-Pro to go into oscillation. I found a decent ac voltage and current data logger for under $200 that will record once per second for 36 hours. And wow, I just caught it, the voltage just dropped 1.5 volts to 243.3 volts. My LED lights even did a tiny flicker which made me go look at the Schneider data page. Looking at the battery graph, the charge current also dipped from 7.01 amps to 6.95 amps. So it did respond and it had to adjust to follow the voltage change. This happened a bit before 6 am which falls in line with when I have had it go unstable. I sent this data to the Schneider tech. I hope they can simulate this in the lab.
 
Those Hyundai panels on the pergola continue to impress.

Today was another day that started with heavy clouds. The output from the Enphase system was producing less than 25% of normal. The clouds started to part a little with output rising to over 40% before 3 pm, but of course, that is when production normally begins falling. On this day it went up from there. And after 3 pm, I was above the power ratings from yesterday. But since it started so late, total production was quite low. I went from 2 days in a row producing nearly 28 KWHs down to only 13.7 KWHs today. But there was certainly some cloud edge effects. The Enphase graph only shows 15 minute totals, so the shorter peaks don't really show. I don't like when the Victron reports these huge peaks when they lasted less than a few seconds. Today was a bit different. Twice, the clouds parted for more than 2 minutes resulting in the full rated 4,000 watts coming in from the pergola. And it even managed to hit 70 amp clipping, at 3 pm??? Due to the sun coming out late, the battery still had some room to take charge. It ended up going into float at 4 pm. Even going into float at 4 pm, the pergola system made a solid 11 KWHs. That is 2.75 sun hours. The Enphase systems 13.7 KWHs works out to 2.85 KWHs so it looks better, but only because all the best production time was with the pergola in float. The Enphase system had a full hour of making 2,000 to 2,800 watts exporting to grid while the pergola was sitting in float with full batteries.
 

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