Natural immunity vs Vaccinated immunity

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Latest CDC data by vaccine status:
Unvaccinated: 451 cases per 100k
Vaccinated:134 cases per 100k
Boosted: 48 cases per 100k

Unvaccinated: 6.1 deaths per 100k
Vaccinated: 0.5 deaths per 100k
Boosted: 0.1 deaths per 100k
 
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Latest CDC data by vaccine status: Unvaccinated:
451 cases per 100k Vaccinated:
134 cases per 100k Boosted:
48 cases per 100k Unvaccinated:

6.1 deaths per 100k Vaccinated:
0.5 deaths per 100k Boosted:
0.1 deaths per 100k
Would you mind going back and editing that so it makes more sense please.
 

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Would you mind going back and editing that so it makes more sense please.
It makes perfect sense.. It couldn't be more clear if he had used crayons to draw it out.

I'm trying to figure out the relevance of your video.. How does one obtain "natural immunity" without chancing death?
 

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Latest CDC data by vaccine status:
Unvaccinated: 451 cases per 100k
Vaccinated:134 cases per 100k
Boosted: 48 cases per 100k

Unvaccinated: 6.1 deaths per 100k
Vaccinated: 0.5 deaths per 100k
Boosted: 0.1 deaths per 100k
Thank you sir!

It makes perfect sense.. It couldn't be more clear if he had used crayons to draw it out.

Now it makes perfect sense but for the half wits in the group that didnt pay attention to what I quoted in post #3 Ill bring the crayons out and draw it for you.

Original post ( I quoted it so there was a record because I was anticipating some moron to do exactly what you did. All you had to do was look):

Latest CDC data by vaccine status: Unvaccinated:
451 cases per 100k Vaccinated:
134 cases per 100k Boosted:
48 cases per 100k Unvaccinated:

6.1 deaths per 100k Vaccinated:
0.5 deaths per 100k Boosted:
0.1 deaths per 100k

Edited post that now makes perfect sense:

Latest CDC data by vaccine status:
Unvaccinated: 451 cases per 100k
Vaccinated:134 cases per 100k
Boosted: 48 cases per 100k

Unvaccinated: 6.1 deaths per 100k
Vaccinated: 0.5 deaths per 100k
Boosted: 0.1 deaths per 100k

I'm trying to figure out the relevance of your video..

At this point it would appear that you are not even trying.

How does one obtain "natural immunity" without chancing death?

By living a healthy lifestyle, being active, sleeping properly and not eating garbage food.

Anyone who was infected before vaccines got natural immunity, you keep getting natural "boosters" every time you are exposed to the virus, whether or not you are vaccinated. If you are routinely getting exposed to the virus, you do not need vaccination boosters. If you are routinely exposed to the virus, booster shots are worthless.

That is what makes me so happy about omicron. It is going to force everyone to become inoculated, one way or the other. If you are weak/unhealthy, you had better get vaccinated and hide out until you have had all your shots. If you think you are healthy and can take the infection, that is about to be tested. If you think Covid is a hoax, your about to experience it first hand. Yup, there is going to be some death but as I said before. I really dont care. You reap what you sow and it is all on you.
 

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By living a healthy lifestyle, being active, sleeping properly and not eating garbage food.
That's great and makes sense for young people, but it is still not as effective as the vaccines. It also doesn't address the already sick folks, old, or other vulnerable categories.

I do understand however that there are a certain class of people in our society who's moral and ethical rationality is so screwed up they are basically inhuman monsters.. every society has these degenerates running around.

Anyone who was infected before vaccines got natural immunity, you keep getting natural "boosters" every time you are exposed to the virus, whether or not you are vaccinated. If you are routinely getting exposed to the virus, you do not need vaccination boosters. If you are routinely exposed to the virus, booster shots are worthless.
That is true.. and a lot of people died before they could obtain this natural immunity. You can't get natural immunity without getting sick from the virus first, and that means that in order to get natural immunity, you must risk dying, being hospitalized, and being burdened with life long medical problems if you do survive.

That is what makes me so happy about omicron. It is going to force everyone to become inoculated, one way or the other. If you are weak/unhealthy, you had better get vaccinated and hide out until you have had all your shots. If you think you are healthy and can take the infection, that is about to be tested. If you think Covid is a hoax, your about to experience it first hand. Yup, there is going to be some death but as I said before. I really dont care. You reap what you sow and it is all on you.
From the little information I have, it would in fact seem that omicron is something like 5-10 times more contagious, but far less deadly at the same time.

But my bet is that the virus adaptation process is just warming up and fired off a dud.. will be interesting to see what comes after omicron.
 

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I do understand however that there are a certain class of people in our society who's moral and ethical rationality is so screwed up they are basically inhuman monsters.. every society has these degenerates running around.
noenegdod is a sociopath. Sociopaths used to try to hide this but in today's society, it has become an admired trait.
 

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That's great and makes sense for young people, but it is still not as effective as the vaccines. It also doesn't address the already sick folks, old, or other vulnerable categories.

I personally dont care if someone lives or dies. Do I want people to die? of course not. Am I going to cry over people that made bad choices and died as a result? Nope. They make their choices and either they will be there tomorrow or not. The Sick are for the most part sick because of the choices they made. I have parents in their 70s that have handed their healthcare over to their Dr. and take precisely 0 responsibility for their health. As a result they are frail, and whining about everything. This hurts, that hurts. No energy, cant sleep. Take this med to deal with this issue but now I have 6 other issues as a result of side effects. The majority of the population has done this and as far as I am concerned everyone will get what they deserve. Sitting back in the 9th inning regretting your life choices and wanting help and no one left to give it.



I do understand however that there are a certain class of people in our society who's moral and ethical rationality is so screwed up they are basically inhuman monsters.. every society has these degenerates running around.

noenegdod is a sociopath. Sociopaths used to try to hide this but in today's society, it has become an admired trait.

Bahahaha.

“It's a mental health condition where somebody persistently has difficulty engaging appropriately with social norms,”

I have no issues engaging in appropriately in social norms. It is what you consider "social norms" that I reject. The political split is so deep that things like personal accountability and responsibility have simply been dropped into the chasm. You both are standing on the edge of far left extremism and looking out to the right and because you are looking to the right you assume I am far right. What you are failing realize is that I am where the center was 20 or 30.


That is true.. and a lot of people died before they could obtain this natural immunity. You can't get natural immunity without getting sick from the virus first, and that means that in order to get natural immunity, you must risk dying, being hospitalized, and being burdened with life long medical problems if you do survive.
Again, largely weak people who are exactly where their life choices brought them.
 

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That is an overly simplistic definition of a sociopath. Sociopaths often can function well in society and even be charming.

The key trait is an inability to have empathy. You cannot see the world except as it impacts you. The emotions others describe are foreign to you. You freely admit it over and over but choose to call it independence. It is a medical condition, and actually quite common amongst CEO's, etc. There are high-functioning sociopaths. It is typical for them, like you, to look down on people that care for others. You perceive your own medical condition not as something from which you suffer but as a weakness in others.

I don't get moralistic about sociopaths. That is who they are and there really is no treatment.
 

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That is an overly simplistic definition of a sociopath. Sociopaths often can function well in society and even be charming.

The key trait is an inability to have empathy. You cannot see the world except as it impacts you. The emotions others describe are foreign to you. You freely admit it over and over but choose to call it independence. It is a medical condition, and actually quite common amongst CEO's, etc. There are high-functioning sociopaths. It is typical for them, like you, to look down on people that care for others. You perceive your own medical condition not as something from which you suffer but as a weakness in others.

I don't get moralistic about sociopaths. That is who they are and there really is no treatment.
You are still wrong. I have empathy for others, the difference between us is I recognize the inability to "save them all". Considering I work in health care and spend every day restoring health and function for people, I can hardly be considered a sociopath. Another difference between us is because I am also a small business owner and I dont have government funding and an unlimited source of money and resources to save every whining, sniveling waste of skin that decided right now was when the pain of their poor choices was worse than the effort required to get off their ass and darken my door, I dont have to accept them as a patient. If you cant pay, I dont have to work for you. That said, I do a significant amount of pro bono work but it is all for people who have a good story, are respectful, obviously look after themselves and have not even a hint of entitlement. If not, Im not wasting my time with them when it can be spent better elsewhere.

People that work in hospitals and never have to consider where money comes have a distorted sense of reality. That is where you appear to be coming from. Help everyone! Why not? Every life is precious! It costs you nothing and there will always be more money and resources, right? Until you are responsible for the entire process and what it takes to treat and/or rehabilitate a person with finite resources, you really should keep your mouth shut on the subject of what people "should be doing".
 

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I personally dont care if someone lives or dies. Do I want people to die? of course not. Am I going to cry over people that made bad choices and died as a result? Nope. They make their choices and either they will be there tomorrow or not. The Sick are for the most part sick because of the choices they made. I have parents in their 70s that have handed their healthcare over to their Dr. and take precisely 0 responsibility for their health. As a result they are frail, and whining about everything. This hurts, that hurts. No energy, cant sleep. Take this med to deal with this issue but now I have 6 other issues as a result of side effects. The majority of the population has done this and as far as I am concerned everyone will get what they deserve. Sitting back in the 9th inning regretting your life choices and wanting help and no one left to give it.
That might very well be the most ignorant and dumb statement I have seen all day.. and I was just on facebook where stupidity rules.

It also shows your age.. young, dumb, and as they say, full of ....
But don't take that as an insult.. most people don't start developing really good thinking skills until they are married, have kids, and are in their 40's or later.

Damn are people utterly freaking stupid.

Bahahaha.

“It's a mental health condition where somebody persistently has difficulty engaging appropriately with social norms,”
Translation: I'm a sheep who conforms to what I'm being told to do, and anyone who doesn't fall in line with my ridiculously irrational belief system has a mental illness. Yup, its not ME who has a mental problem, its everyone else who is sick.

Here's a clue genius... Back in the earlier days, it was socially normal to have slaves.. women couldn't vote, and it was socially normal for them to be submissive and obedient.

Your idea social norms are code for: Be a sheep like me.

I have no issues engaging in appropriately in social norms. It is what you consider "social norms" that I reject. The political split is so deep that things like personal accountability and responsibility have simply been dropped into the chasm.
We can agree on the bold part 100%.. The problem is your perspective on it. You think its because of the political split, which means you think one side doesn't agree with personal accountability and responsibility.. and you couldn't be more wrong.

The move to blaming others, looking to place blame, denying responsibility, etc.. has no political affiliation. I am politically libertarian, liberal, and conservative (depending on the issue being discussed), but I live in the middle of an ocean of Trump supporters and I can say with certainty that they exhibit all the signs of snowflake government sucking hard core liberals when it comes to responsibility and accountability.



You both are standing on the edge of far left extremism and looking out to the right and because you are looking to the right you assume I am far right. What you are failing realize is that I am where the center was 20 or 30.

Again, largely weak people who are exactly where their life choices brought them.
I was going to go on a long rant about this because you're so full of horse crap.. But I want to be fair.. so I'm going to let YOU decide what I am based on my position on several issues.. I'll list them, then you tell me with explanation ok?

Welfare = Cut it all out for anyone under 60. If they can't feed their children, take them away.
Gov spending = Gov should not give tax payer money to any individual or corporation unless purchasing something. No bailouts! No Grants!
Guns = Everyone should have more than one, and in the absence of being convicted of a violent crime, should not be required to petition the gov to carry it however they deem appropriate.
Environment = Protect it
Abortion = I'm a guy, its none of my business
Vaccines = Never mandate
Bankruptcy = should be eliminated. If you fail, you fail.
Sexuality = Yours is none of my business
Death Penalty = Install express line and lower the bar to achieve it.

If that is liberal to you, then I guess I'm a liberal.. That would make me a liberal prepper with enough self defense resources to scare most people.. A liberal who took a 30 year mortgage and paid it off in 8 years.. A liberal who's idea of personal responsibility and accountability led me to being capable of generating my own power, and growing all my own food if needed. And a liberal who served his country in the armed forces.. which I'm guessing you never did because you wouldn't be staying the utterly stupid things you say if you had.

Who's a liberal?

You're a far right extremist who doesn't care about anyone but yourself (via your own words)... You've never served your country did you? Have you ever served anything BUT yourself? Do you even have children?

Tell you what.. When you've been around the world three times, when you've spent at least a week in every state in the USA, when you've earned a degree in something more complex than underwater fire fighting, and when you have friends in family on several continents, and when you've served your country, then come back and give me your opinions.. Until then, you're a self entitled keyboard warrior snowflake without a moral code or an education..

One more thing.. You talk about being liberal as if there is something bad about it.. which means you label yourself as a conservative.. and the deductive reasoning to those two things means you're a sheep in a box that others have created for you. The box probably has a tag on it that says "Indoctrinated Christian sentenced to a life of ignorance"

I'm not a liberal, nor am I a conservative.. at least not by your ignorant sheepish definitions. I'm a person who can think for myself and I don't need CNN or FOX news, a bible, or some politician, to tell me what I should think... But I guess that's not true for everyone.
 

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That might very well be the most ignorant and dumb statement I have seen all day.. and I was just on facebook where stupidity rules.

It also shows your age.. young, dumb, and as they say, full of ....
But don't take that as an insult.. most people don't start developing really good thinking skills until they are married, have kids, and are in their 40's or later.

Damn are people utterly freaking stupid.


Translation: I'm a sheep who conforms to what I'm being told to do, and anyone who doesn't fall in line with my ridiculously irrational belief system has a mental illness. Yup, its not ME who has a mental problem, its everyone else who is sick.

Here's a clue genius... Back in the earlier days, it was socially normal to have slaves.. women couldn't vote, and it was socially normal for them to be submissive and obedient.

Your idea social norms are code for: Be a sheep like me.


We can agree on the bold part 100%.. The problem is your perspective on it. You think its because of the political split, which means you think one side doesn't agree with personal accountability and responsibility.. and you couldn't be more wrong.

The move to blaming others, looking to place blame, denying responsibility, etc.. has no political affiliation. I am politically libertarian, liberal, and conservative (depending on the issue being discussed), but I live in the middle of an ocean of Trump supporters and I can say with certainty that they exhibit all the signs of snowflake government sucking hard core liberals when it comes to responsibility and accountability.




I was going to go on a long rant about this because you're so full of horse crap.. But I want to be fair.. so I'm going to let YOU decide what I am based on my position on several issues.. I'll list them, then you tell me with explanation ok?

Welfare = Cut it all out for anyone under 60. If they can't feed their children, take them away.
Gov spending = Gov should not give tax payer money to any individual or corporation unless purchasing something. No bailouts! No Grants!
Guns = Everyone should have more than one, and in the absence of being convicted of a violent crime, should not be required to petition the gov to carry it however they deem appropriate.
Environment = Protect it
Abortion = I'm a guy, its none of my business
Vaccines = Never mandate
Bankruptcy = should be eliminated. If you fail, you fail.
Sexuality = Yours is none of my business
Death Penalty = Install express line and lower the bar to achieve it.

If that is liberal to you, then I guess I'm a liberal.. That would make me a liberal prepper with enough self defense resources to scare most people.. A liberal who took a 30 year mortgage and paid it off in 8 years.. A liberal who's idea of personal responsibility and accountability led me to being capable of generating my own power, and growing all my own food if needed. And a liberal who served his country in the armed forces.. which I'm guessing you never did because you wouldn't be staying the utterly stupid things you say if you had.

Who's a liberal?

You're a far right extremist who doesn't care about anyone but yourself (via your own words)... You've never served your country did you? Have you ever served anything BUT yourself? Do you even have children?

Tell you what.. When you've been around the world three times, when you've spent at least a week in every state in the USA, when you've earned a degree in something more complex than underwater fire fighting, and when you have friends in family on several continents, and when you've served your country, then come back and give me your opinions.. Until then, you're a self entitled keyboard warrior snowflake without a moral code or an education..

One more thing.. You talk about being liberal as if there is something bad about it.. which means you label yourself as a conservative.. and the deductive reasoning to those two things means you're a sheep in a box that others have created for you. The box probably has a tag on it that says "Indoctrinated Christian sentenced to a life of ignorance"

I'm not a liberal, nor am I a conservative.. at least not by your ignorant sheepish definitions. I'm a person who can think for myself and I don't need CNN or FOX news, a bible, or some politician, to tell me what I should think... But I guess that's not true for everyone.
I keep getting drawn into engaging in this stupid garbage with people that have nothing better to do. I have to get back to actually helping people that deserve it.
 

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I keep getting drawn into engaging in this stupid garbage with people that have nothing better to do. I have to get back to actually helping people that deserve it.

Oh yes. You are on a mission to help people.. and they must deserve your help.. ROFLMAO.. Dude.. seriously?
 

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I keep getting drawn into engaging in this stupid garbage with people that have nothing better to do. I have to get back to actually helping people that deserve it.
The only healthcare you could possibly be in is being a chiropractor or more likely own a gym. You do not even have a high school level of science education.
 

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I keep getting drawn into engaging in this stupid garbage with people that have nothing better to do. I have to get back to actually helping people that deserve it.
Here is noenegdod on immunity. PS. He says he is a health care practitioner.
 

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Oh yes. You are on a mission to help people.. and they must deserve your help.. ROFLMAO.. Dude.. seriously?
He says he is a health care practitioner.
I am not a health care practitioner. I am a primary health care provider. I do not require supervision or direction like a nurse would......

Last 5 minutes of my life you 2 worthless POS get:

This is where I see patients:

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Here is where I restore there ability to eat and smile:

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The case in the articulator is pro bono for a guy that is recovered 4 years from a meth addiction and has been working but lost his job when the pandemic hit and hasnt been able to get a job since. The other 2 cases are implant cases and had enough room in them to help the first guy.

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I am sure you both will try to find some way to disparage what I do. Your pathetic tiny lives require nothing else. I am sure what both of you do/have done has considerably more value to society at large. You two can both kiss my a$$ while your enjoying your miserable old age worrying about hiding from what for the healthy is a bad cold.
 

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I am not a health care practitioner. I am a primary health care provider. I do not require supervision or direction like a nurse would......

Last 5 minutes of my life you 2 worthless POS get:

This is where I see patients:

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Here is where I restore there ability to eat and smile:

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The case in the articulator is pro bono for a guy that is recovered 4 years from a meth addiction and has been working but lost his job when the pandemic hit and hasnt been able to get a job since. The other 2 cases are implant cases and had enough room in them to help the first guy.

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I am sure you both will try to find some way to disparage what I do. Your pathetic tiny lives require nothing else. I am sure what both of you do/have done has considerably more value to society at large. You two can both kiss my a$$ while your enjoying your miserable old age worrying about hiding from what for the healthy is a bad cold.
You have serious mental issues. I mean very very serious.
 

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Orthodontist?
No. I doubt it. He doesn't have the background or it would have shown up in his posts. I think he works in the production of crowns etc. Also, unless it is something in Canadian lingo his distinction between healthcare practitioner and provider doesn't make much sense.
 
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