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Need electrician in Tampa Florida area for DIY solar permit.

dbmankow

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I have drawings and plans and submitted for permit but in order to get permit need contractor/electrician.

From county
“However, an owner must utilize a licensed electrical contractor to effectuate the wiring of the solar panels, including any interconnection to the customer’s residential electrical wiring. The limitations of this exemption shall be expressly stated in the building permit approved and issued by the permitting agency for such project”

Not sure if off grid solution is feasible. We have plug in EV so use ~70 kWh a day or more.
 
but in order to get permit need contractor/electrician.
Sometimes the paperwork for permitting is the hard part for some electricians. Since you have done some of the heavy lifting, it should not be too hard to find an electrician. What I do when working with electricians to save them time is to be there for the inspection. My county is more relaxed about owner builder permits. On one phase involving a main panel upgrade, I listed the electricians name and had him do some of the work where his expertise was needed, but I saved the electrician the time of pulling the permit and waiting for inspection.
 
In Florida you are allowed to pull a permit and do your own electrical work, as long as it is your own personal residence.

This ^^^^

If you are the homeowner, you can do any permitted work in Florida, you just can't do this for others, that requires licensed contractors for specific trades.

I have in 3 properties in the years built large solar systems including building a net-zero energy home subbing out trades I couldn't do, like all the concrete work or extra hands as necessary.
 
Unless it’s off grid they claim FS 489.103(7)(A):
When installing, uninstalling, or replacing solar panels on one-family, two-family, or three-family residences, and the local permitting agency’s county or municipal government is participating in a “United States Department of Energy SunShot Initiative: Rooftop Solar Challenge” grant. However, an owner must utilize a licensed electrical contractor to effectuate the wiring of the solar panels, including any interconnection to the customer’s residential electrical wiring. The limitations of this exemption shall be expressly stated in the building permit approved and issued by the permitting agency for such project.

 
This seems a misunderstanding of the statutes ( really English ) as this paragraph is not new and I have pulled permits in 2020 that the statutes had the same language in Pinellas county. ( I looked up the 2019 version and it has the same language )

The section 3 you have listed is a single case, that would only apply when the term "and" is met.

The however term with the electrical contractor isn't general, it is a modifier to the and statement preceding and nothing else. It is not written that ALL solar installations require electrical contractors.

I would suggest you request an in person meeting with the relevant inspector in your county and point out that Pinellas county does not have a requirement of the electrical contractor be utilized ( this is state law, not by county ) and Pinellas is the largest in the state.
 
I’m in manatee but same difference. Ya I agree but really don’t want to get off on the wrong foot with permitting office… who knows what kind of fresh hell they can put me through. I mean if anyone has gone through grid tied diy solar permitting might be the person that has the answer.
 
I’m in manatee but same difference. Ya I agree but really don’t want to get off on the wrong foot with permitting office… who knows what kind of fresh hell they can put me through. I mean if anyone has gone through grid tied diy solar permitting might be the person that has the answer.

Done it three times

You need PE stamped plans showing single line drawing, all data sheets for racking and components , letter the roof and trusses have been reviewed for wind code compliance and approved. A firm like Green Lancer can do all this for a reasonable fee..
 
Done it three times

You need PE stamped plans showing single line drawing, all data sheets for racking and components , letter the roof and trusses have been reviewed for wind code compliance and approved. A firm like Green Lancer can do all this for a reasonable fee..

I have all these and submitted and they wouldn’t process.

“A ELECTRICAL sub is required before we can route this for review. Please have the licensed professional fill out the attached sub-form, upload to this application and email me when completed at : marci.cass@mymanatee.org

I guess I can maybe go down there and talk to them…???
 
Call and make an appointment with the permit reviewer, they work for you on your tax dollars, be polite and professional but NOT scared to question what they say.

Your PE that stamped the plans should be able to help as well as they should know the Florida building codes.
 
My buddy lives in Tampa. Two years ago I helped him install 36 panels, an 8K Sol-Ark, etc. He used this company to do all of the panel / roof / wind calculations. They provided a permitting package which had cut sheets, a CAD drawing, power calculations, etc.

The "inspector" came out after we finished. He looked for the big items - emergency shut down, enough spacing on the roof panels for firefighters to walk, etc. He stamped it good to go. Probably wasn't 20 minutes total.

 
My solar journey is still waiting at the "Contractor" station. My AHJ won't do anything if we don't have a contractor. The homeowner exemption doesn't seem to work (and it is my mother's house so she would have to do it and that's not feasible). They require an electrical contractor at a minimum, or a solar contractor with an electrical license.

I can have all the plans done (probably by Greenlancer), and I have the entire design, so I can take all the responsibility of the system in terms of design, code, equipment, etc.

I really only need a contractor to do this:

1. Be the contractor of record for the permit.

2. Replace the main breaker panel breaker (derate to 175 amps, I have the breaker).

3. If able, install the mount, racking and panels on the roof, though I can can find others to do this if need be.

I don't need a quote, I can pay labor hours and even a fee for just being the contractor of record.

This does not need to be a "solar" contractor, any electrical contractor will do.

Any suggestions on how to find someone near Sarasota, FL? There must be some independent guy who would do this, just a matter of finding the right one.

Mike C.
 
My buddy lives in Tampa. Two years ago I helped him install 36 panels, an 8K Sol-Ark, etc. He used this company to do all of the panel / roof / wind calculations. They provided a permitting package which had cut sheets, a CAD drawing, power calculations, etc.

The "inspector" came out after we finished. He looked for the big items - emergency shut down, enough spacing on the roof panels for firefighters to walk, etc. He stamped it good to go. Probably wasn't 20 minutes total.

Hi,

I am doing this in Wesley Chapel near Tampa, did you hire an electrician at all or were you able to do this yourselves? I am looking fr some help with the tapping of the main lines into the 18Kv and some additional electric work to get a grid tie system.
 
My buddy lives in Tampa. Two years ago I helped him install 36 panels, an 8K Sol-Ark, etc. He used this company to do all of the panel / roof / wind calculations. They provided a permitting package which had cut sheets, a CAD drawing, power calculations, etc.

The "inspector" came out after we finished. He looked for the big items - emergency shut down, enough spacing on the roof panels for firefighters to walk, etc. He stamped it good to go. Probably wasn't 20 minutes total.
The permit application requires a licensed contractor be named. Who was that for this job? If he didn't have one, how did your buddy get a permit to do the work if he didn't have a contractor listed?

I am perfectly happy to have an inspection of my work, but finding a contractor to list on the permit has been a roadblock.

Altways does not seem to be a contractor, but a service to do solar benefit analysis and to provide plans. Do they offer contracting services as well?

Mike C,
 
In reviewing this issue, I think the Florida AHJs that reject solar installs by homeowners are misinterpreting the law.

Florida Statue Title XXXII Chapter 489.103 says:

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(7)(a) Owners of property when acting as their own contractor and providing direct, onsite supervision themselves of all work not performed by licensed contractors:

1. When building or improving farm outbuildings or one-family or two-family residences on such property for the occupancy or use of such owners and not offered for sale or lease, or building or improving commercial buildings, at a cost not to exceed $75,000, on such property for the occupancy or use of such owners and not offered for sale or lease. In an action brought under this part, proof of the sale or lease, or offering for sale or lease, of any such structure by the owner-builder within 1 year after completion of same creates a presumption that the construction was undertaken for purposes of sale or lease.

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The act of installing a solar power system on an owner occupied residence is improving that residence and thus appears to qualify under this clause for the homeowner exemption. Solar power systems do not appear to be excluded from the list of things deemed improvements.

Further, 489.105 (definitions) does not define "improving" at all, so the term has a very general meaning. Given the solar power systems add value to the home, it clearly meets the general definition of an improvement since the home value went up.

The existence of 489.103(7)(a)(3), which is dealing with the specific and unique case of the Solar Challenge, does not mean solar power systems are excluded if there is no Solar Challenge underway. Just because 489.103(7)(a)(3) describes a means to an exemption doesn't mean it is the ONLY means to that exemption, any of the other clauses can apply.

In order to exclude solar power systems from the exemption, the AHJ would have to show that solar power systems are not improvements that qualify under 489.103(7)(a)(1). So when they say you cannot get a homeowner permit, ask them to explain the legal basis for not counting the solar power system as an improvement.

For what it is worth, there is guidance from


1. Owner-Occupied Residences – Improvements under $75,000:

  • Statute Code: Florida Statutes, Chapter 489, Section 489.103(7)(a)(1)
  • Scope: Building or improving farm outbuildings, one-family, or two-family residences, or commercial buildings on the owner’s property.
  • Cost Limit: The cost should not exceed $75,000.
  • Usage: The construction is for the occupancy or use of the owners and is not intended for sale or lease.
  • Presumption: If the owner-builder sells or leases the structure within 1 year after completion, it is presumed that the construction was undertaken for purposes of sale or lease.
  • Inclusion of Solar: Solar improvements can fall under this exemption if the total cost is within the specified limit.

Further, the Solar Challenge clause was added in 2012. In 2011, there was not mention of solar at all in the exemption statute so a homeowner was seemingly able to use the general "improvement" clause then. It would be very odd if the appearance of the Solar Challenge clause in 2012 not caused there to be less access to homeowner exemption than before.

I would insist the AHJ answer the legal basis for excluding solar power systems from 489.103(7)(a)(1). Why are they not improvements? Why did the Solar Challenge clause added in 2012 cause there to be less means to get an exemption?

You fight city hall using their own weapons against them.

Mike C.
 
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The permit application requires a licensed contractor be named. Who was that for this job? If he didn't have one, how did your buddy get a permit to do the work if he didn't have a contractor listed?

I am perfectly happy to have an inspection of my work, but finding a contractor to list on the permit has been a roadblock.

Altways does not seem to be a contractor, but a service to do solar benefit analysis and to provide plans. Do they offer contracting services as well?

Mike C,
If the permit application requires a licensed contractor to be named that has been added since we installed his. We did all of his electrical work.
 
Hi,

I am doing this in Wesley Chapel near Tampa, did you hire an electrician at all or were you able to do this yourselves? I am looking fr some help with the tapping of the main lines into the 18Kv and some additional electric work to get a grid tie system.
He did not hire an electrician. We installed and wired all of the components ourselves.
 
Would not hurt to check if the power company requires a licensed contractor. In my Fl county one electric company allows you to pull your own permit. The other power company requires a license contractor. So if it’s a company policy that will be the rule. And that might be why the building department says you need a contractor.
 
Would not hurt to check if the power company requires a licensed contractor. In my Fl county one electric company allows you to pull your own permit. The other power company requires a license contractor. So if it’s a company policy that will be the rule. And that might be why the building department says you need a contractor.
Power company rules cannot trump state statutes. If the state statute provides a means for the homeowner to be the contractor, then you can do so. The power company is not involved in the issuance of the permit to do the work, nor the AHJ inspection after the work is done, so you can proceed on that basis.

If an AHJ denies your otherwise valid permit application solely based on the utility rules, then they are violating the law.

Mike C.
 

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