Is the Luxpower UL Certified?
How then is GSL selling all of the models above that are less than 12k? The UL certificate shows all of their models less than 12k certified effective May 9, this year. That's only three months ago.Lux Power is making the GSL and Huayu inverters. Lux Power has given an exclusive to Huayu for the <12kW models (which are all basically the same family of inverters), so LP and GSL can only sell the 12kW model.
The company that I talked with is Atlas Power Solutions. Their prices are terrible and I don't know much more about them. They seem to sell several brands under their own label. They are currently selling an older 12kW model that is made by a different manufacturer. The GSL model should be out in September, and according to the guy I talked with, it should be up on their web site by then. I don't have high hopes for their price on it though. You may be better off contacting GSL directly via alibaba to get more information.Can you tell me which distributor it is? I need to buy a 12kW hybrid inverter. I'm in Irvine, California
Can you post a link to the Luxpower and GSL inverters you're referencing to clarify things?
As of a month or so ago, LP was making the entire line of NA hybrid inverters (7.6kW-12kW), with Huayu having exclusive rights to the 7.6kW-10kW models and LP being able to sell the 12kW model. GSL was rebranding the Megarevo inverters (after Deye shut off their supply of Deye NA model hybrids), but it's certainly possible they are rebranding the LP or Huayu inverters going forward as the Megarevos have had their fair share of issues.
I'm not saying all of this is still accurate today, but it was in June-July time period. With the Chinese, who knows what's happening minute by minute! It's also possible LP has revamped their initial release of this line of inverters, which were press released earlier this year. I'm just curious what is actually taking place now.
I just posted a copy of the user manual on the front page of this channel.Can you post a link to the Luxpower and GSL inverters you're referencing to clarify things?
I agree SA is ludicrous on their pricing and we need a comparable alternative. Deye should figure out a way to get around SA and sell to the NA market. If SA wants to choke off competition they should be cut out of the market themselves.How then is GSL selling all of the models above that are less than 12k? The UL certificate shows all of their models less than 12k certified effective May 9, this year. That's only three months ago.
If you look at the Huayu 12k inverter its specs don't mesh with the LuxPower and GSL Energy inverters. Those two are identical. Even the manuals are nearly identical. The Huayu isn't and doesn't even look the same.
Where did you get your information? Can you post it here?
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I read your other thread. Its a completely different model released a year ago. The model we are talking about here hasn't even been released. If there is a problem with Huayu, then don't buy it. I haven't had any problem getting information from GSL. They have responded to every inquiry I have made, and done it next business day. Time will tell if Lux Power got this one right or not. Someone needs to order, test, and post the results. I'm sure someone will do it. The "extra money to stick with SA" is over $5000 per unit. That is ridiculous, and we need an alternative.
How about telling us where and giving us a link.I’ve been tracking these Huayu offerings since the spring and it’s cool to see them finally arriving.
Here’s the thread I started on the subject: https://diysolarforum.com/threads/new-class-of-zero-export-ac-coupled-battery-inverter-huayu.31600/How about telling us where and giving us a link.
I am glad to see another discussion on hybrids. Hybrids are what are really needed for whole-house system. The Huayu models you pointed to are different than this LuxPower model though, as can be seen from the GSL user's manual. I didn't see any reference in your links to the Huayu NA low voltage models either. They have those on their main website, but they aren't selling direct and don't seem to have any documentation. I haven't heard of anyone buying them yet, and I get the impression from what I have been able to gather so far, that the prices are going to be unreasonable. It still looks to me like vaporware. If the Huayu model is really ready, they don't seem to be doing what they need to do to sell any.Here’s the thread I started on the subject: https://diysolarforum.com/threads/new-class-of-zero-export-ac-coupled-battery-inverter-huayu.31600/
And here’s a link to Huayu’s various offerings: https://www.huayu-energy.com/Microinverter#hybrid
There are tons of hybrid inverters out there, so it’s not the hybrid aspect that is important to me as much as the zero-import through load offset feature (avoiding the need for any rewiring on the load side) and the zero-export through battery charging capability.I am glad to see another discussion on hybrids. Hybrids are what are really needed for whole-house system.
Huayu is mess but when I dove into this late last year, I confirmed they are the actual manufacturer (true Deye competitor). GSL and Luxpower are almost certainly resellers).The Huayu models you pointed to are different than this LuxPower model though, as can be seen from the GSL user's manual. I didn't see any reference in your links to the Huayu NA low voltage models either. They have those on their main website, but they aren't selling direct and don't seem to have any documentation.
I doubt Huayu has any interest to sell into the North American market if they can find an effective partner to do so. As we’ve seen with Deye / Solark, this usually translates to inflated pricing.I haven't heard of anyone buying them yet, and I get the impression from what I have been able to gather so far, that the prices are going to be unreasonable. It still looks to me like vaporware. If the Huayu model is really ready, they don't seem to be doing what they need to do to sell any.
Pretty sure I’ve seen threads were GSK was reselling Deye’s at one point. So you need to be very careful when speaking about the resellers. They don’t have any actual manufacturing to ramp up - they nail down distribution contracts, then commit orders and wait for manufacturers like Huayu to begin delivering product. When the contracts / partners change, so do the manufacturers. All the products will be labeled GSL or Luxpower, buy the manufacturing will have switched between Deye and Huayu.I know that this LuxPower model has shipped already through GSL and that they are ramping up production.
MPPT not a priority for me. I need 1S for DC due to shading, so 100V is as much of a showstopper as 400V. That problem is avoided going to AC-coupling, but I’m still on the fence as to whether I want to go from 24VDC to a 48VDC battery of a 400VDC battery (partly since EV bidirectional chargers will all be operating at 400VDC…).The PV inputs aren't high voltage. It requires 100V to turn on and 230V for maximum MPPT efficiency. That's standard for PV inverters.
Yeah, there are many options out there. I’m still on the fence between going ‘black box’ and diving into the world of making my own Rasberry-Pie-based energy meter (which means you need products supporting open communication standards).This model has two modes for zero export. One if you don't have a meter that will trip and one if you do. The mode for meters that trip, monitors the current backflow at 20ms intervals.
Yeah, the ability to taper-off generation on the Critical Loads AC side is the key capability of Huayu’s offerings (as well as rebadged versions).The frequency shifting capability should also be a great feature. All of these features need to be proven out on this model.
When you state ‘hybrids’ I believe you mean ‘AC-coupled hybrids with frequency shift.’I hope it succeeds and will drive the prices down on hybrids. I would like to buy one, but I'm waiting for someone with more time and money to be the guinea pig. I would really like to see someone review all of the features of this model.
This is too much of a firehouse of questions for me to respond to.You are making a lot of statements without substantiating them. The models you are talking about have wildly different specifications. I've looked at them. GSL is a reseller as I have stated several times in this thread, and the manufacturer is LuxPower not Deye or Huayu. GSL was selling Deye until the NA agreement with SolArk. That is clear from all of the information I have provided here. Their stock is currently available and increasing in the months ahead. I have provided the details of that in this thread as well. You can believe what you want to believe, but you need to provide facts and documentation to substantiate what you say in this forum or you are arguing just for the sake of argument.
For example, here's a few statements that I'm just wondering how you know the answers to:
If there are so many hybrid inverters out there, why did you need to create your thread on a new class of ac-coupled zero-export battery inverters, and why haven't you purchased one already that meets your needs?
- There are tons of hybrid inverters out there,...
- GSL and Luxpower are almost certainly resellers.
- Huayu is mess but when I dove into this late last year, I confirmed they are the actual manufacturer (true Deye competitor).
- If the pinouts are identical to what you see in the Huayu documentation, you know they were manufactured by Huayu.
- Yeah, the ability to taper-off generation on the Critical Loads AC side is the key capability of Huayu’s offerings (as well as rebadged versions).
- Personally, I’ll have more confidence purchasing a Huayu-branded product from a straight-up distributor like Signature Solar than I would be buying from a rebadged like Luxpower.
- Huayu’s offerings will not be expensive.
- If Signature does resell Huayu offerings, I expect them to be well-below all of these alternatives on price.
As I mentioned earlier in this thread GSL is a reseller. They are known for their storage systems. They recently got into inverters to compliment their storage system offerings. Your information about GSL inverters and Deye was accurate last year, but inaccurate this year. They can't be selling Deyes to North America if SolArk has exclusive rights to do so. You stated that above. Have you talked with the owner of GSL, or the CEO of LuxPower?
Have you compared the components and connections (pinouts) in the Huayu documentation with the that of the GSL/LuxPower model? Have you seen the circuit boards of either brand? Have you compared the chassis they are each housed in? Have you compared their specifications? Where did you get this information and can you share it? What was identical and what was different?
Do you own a Huayu inverter? Do you own the 12kW version you are talking about here? I thought it still wasn't available. Which rebadged versions of the Huayu inverter exist? Do you have a list? I would like to do some comparisons between them and the Huayu and LuxPower models. Specifically the AC-side frequency shifting capabilities that are the key capability of the Huayu offerings.
How do you know that LuxPower is a rebadge? Which Huayu models have they rebadged and how long have they been doing it? They don't sell to the public, so what would be the purpose of rebadging a Huayu? With a population of over 1.4 billion people and an economy that rivals the US, isn't it possible that there are more manufactures of inverters than Huayu and Deye?
How do you know that Huayu won't be expensive? Your argument was that Huayu has no interest in selling to the NA market if they can get resellers who will most likely inflate the prices like Deye / SolArk. SolArk is the most expensive reseller out there. Have you talked with the CEO of Huayu or the owner of Signature Solar? Do you have their price list? Is Signature Solar currently providing documentation and pricing on the Huayu models they sell? The only hybrid inverter they currently offer on their website is the Schneider XW Pro 6.8kW. https://signaturesolar.com/shop-all/hybrid/inverters/. That's not exactly a Huayu 12kW model or an inverter with the same specs as the GSL LuxPower model in this thread.