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New PowMR POW-M60-ULTRA

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I bought a new model PowMr (POW-M60-ULTRA) that has a current limiting function so you can set the desired max output current.
It charges to the boost voltage value and holds it there (mode 7). It does not go into float (mode 8).
I have tried USE and L04 settings with the same results (keeps battery at the boost voltage value).
I know many people may say don't buy PowMr, etc.. I don't need you help if this is all you have to say.
 
don't need you help if this is all you have to say
What help are you looking for?
After rereading twice I can think of severs possible questions but I don’t really understand what you are looking for; I probably can’t help anyways but others might be scratching their head too
 
What help are you looking for?
After rereading twice I can think of severs possible questions but I don’t really understand what you are looking for; I probably can’t help anyways but others might be scratching their head too
I am looking for help from someone who has purchased this charge controller and resolved this issue or has any experience with having or not having this issue with this new model charge controller.
The issue I am having is it does not enter float mode ever.

Thanks
 
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Charge settings for LiFePO4 may not include a float cycle with some SCC. It is only really used to keep solar production going so that it can be used to run the inverter in AIO's and not shutdown after charging the battery. It is like LifFePO4 settings do not use equalization mode.
 
Charge settings for LiFePO4 may not include a float cycle with some SCC. It is only really used to keep solar production going so that it can be used to run the inverter in AIO's and not shutdown after charging the battery. It is like LifFePO4 settings do not use equalization mode.
I agree, but the issue is it is holding the voltage at the boost voltage until the sun goes down. This is incorrect operation and will eventually damage the battery.
 
This is incorrect operation and will eventually damage the battery.
Are there any scientific studies documenting the degradation?
My understanding is that there could be a 3-7% reduction over a 10-15-year expected cycle lifespan of LiFePo batteries, and I think Will alluded to that in a recent video.
Me being offgrid, charging to 14.2V and holding on my ~5kWh 12V battery bank during winter months ‘added’ enough usable capacity here in northern New England that it eliminated my ‘historical’ generator usage. Offgridders need everything they can get, and even if it “cost” me 7% less lifespan the 0.2-0.3V increase is worth it.
With weather patterns that give 2-5 cloudy days repetitively during The Dark Months being able to fully use my system without constant SOC monitoring is a valuable benefit on a daily basis that’s worth the “$75” ‘lost’ over a 12-15-year period; before upping my charge boost and float voltage I have spent $60-$100 on generator gas over a single winter.

Conclusion: using my batteries including hammering them all day with higher charging voltage is ~10% of the cost of being conservative with my batteries.

I bought my solar power products to fully use. So I do that.
Ignoring powerco install fees (more $ than my solar system) it’s $350-$400 less costly per year to be on solar only versus the monthly minimum charges before consuming any powerco kWh and my power has not gone out in storms since my first setup in spring 2019.

Am I wrong?
I am curious about what The Usual Suspects think about this.

*ps: In fwiw department; I can fully replace my system for ~$5k, or I can get grid installed for $5-$6k. NOT having the monthly minimum grid charges alone (no kWh) saves nearly $5k in ten years of usage. .
 
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Boost is set to 56V
Float is set to 54V

Work mode 8 is for float charge mode. It never goes into mode 8 and stays in mode 7 at 56V.
It might not change to float mode 8 but at 56vDC it should not harm your batteries for a few hours a day to set there. Most chargers have absorption time settings at 2 hours. I am assuming that you have loads 24h a day and soon after PV quits your battery starts discharging. My AIO has a 56.8v float setting (I reduced it to 55.4v ) same as Bulk (stays at 56.8v) setting when LifePO4 16S is selected as battery type.
 
It might not change to float mode 8 but at 56vDC it should not harm your batteries for a few hours a day to set there. Most chargers have absorption time settings at 2 hours. I am assuming that you have loads 24h a day and soon after PV quits your battery starts discharging. My AIO has a 56.8v float setting (I reduced it to 55.4v ) same as Bulk (stays at 56.8v) setting when LifePO4 16S is selected as battery type.
Thank you but unfortunately this little 12V system does not have a 24/7 load and I want it to recharge quickly when it does get a load.
 
I thought I would post an update. PowMr support got back to me and said "this is the controllers working logic"
Does anyone have and thoughts? Won't Lifepo4 batteries be damages if they are held at 3.62V all day?
Perhaps I have to purposely make it overvoltage trip my BMS?
 
I would not make your BMS into a daily control situation. Instead why not lower your Boost/bulk voltage down to 55.4vDC? This is full resting charge.
I was thinking I would have to set it a little lower than that?
Holding it at 3.46V per cell all day will not risk depletion of ions damaging the cells?
I would like to set it that high to make sure the battery gets charged...
 
I was thinking I would have to set it a little lower than that?
Holding it at 3.46V per cell all day will not risk depletion of ions damaging the cells?
I would like to set it that high to make sure the battery gets charged...
Sorry fully charged resting voltage is 54.4vDC. Not sure why I put 55.4v but it is in error. Most BMS's are factory set to have a 3.4vDC per cell balance start point. It takes longer to get fully charged but holding it at +3.4vDC it eventually gets there.
 
I bought a new model PowMr (POW-M60-ULTRA) that has a current limiting function so you can set the desired max output current.
It charges to the boost voltage value and holds it there (mode 7). It does not go into float (mode 8).
I have tried USE and L04 settings with the same results (keeps battery at the boost voltage value).
I know many people may say don't buy PowMr, etc.. I don't need you help if this is all you have to say.
Hello, lithium batteries don’t have a float charge due to their chemical properties being different from lead-acid batteries, and they don’t need float charging to maintain their charge state like lead-acid batteries do
 
Hello, lithium batteries don’t have a float charge due to their chemical properties being different from lead-acid batteries, and they don’t need float charging to maintain their charge state like lead-acid batteries do
Thank you PowMr Support for speaking up here.
In lithium battery type setting, it holds the cells at 3.625V and does not let it drop until the sun goes down. The battery is held at 14.5V.
This is not correct and will damage the cells.
I have asked for help and a refund with no luck so far.
PowMr support say this is correct operation.
 
Thank you PowMr Support for speaking up here.
In lithium battery type setting, it holds the cells at 3.625V and does not let it drop until the sun goes down. The battery is held at 14.5V.
This is not correct and will damage the cells.
I have asked for help and a refund with no luck so far.
PowMr support say this is correct operation.
Does your lithium battery have a BMS? If there is a BMS, will the BMS report overvoltage protection at 3.6V? Generally, overvoltage protection is triggered at 3.625V, and charging stops.
 

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