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New SRNE 30kw+ parallel build

davewsail

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Hi all, I'm new here (only posted a few times on another SRNE build thread). My situation is that I'm a retired computer engineer (meaning I know nothing about power circuits, only digital logic and systems) and I recently moved to Merida Mexico and built a rather large home. It is 11,000sqft of construction with a large pool and all water comes from two wells. As it gets really warm in Merida, I also have 21 minisplit A/C units (mostly 10-12 are on regularly) along with all the standard house with a wife and 3 daughters power uses. Bottom line is I use a lot of power, between 100 to 120kwh daily.

Solar was always part of the project for a variety of reasons. As Mexico has a very inefficient state run electric utility, I'm paying about $0.2/kwh with regular brownouts, voltage spikes, and regular blackouts. But knowing nothing about solar, I just hired a solar company and was convinced just to do a grid tied system based on cost. On my roof I have 54 550w Canadian solar panels (with room for more) and 2 10kw Growatt inverters. I was convinced not to do battery storage because "it's too expensive" and at least the utility has net metering and no time of use price changes. So that is what I did.

But now living here for a year, I'm regretting my decision. The voltage spikes are the worst as they blow-up sensitive electronics. A good friend just lost his fridge. As if the fantastic price and service wasn't enough, because my house is large, the utility (CFE) made me pay for a new transformer and the labor to install power to my property line (about $15k). But the kicker is that while under construction, in the finishing stages, the power was turned on after almost 2 years of starting the process. However I still needed to wait to finish the final stages of a new contract and get a meter. Well, here in Mexico it is very common to just jumper across the meter terminals for construction power and in the end, you pay for estimated power used. I thought nothing of it until a few months after moving in, they came to cut my power. It seemed strange as I had just paid my first bill and thought it was a mistake. No, they had my address and showed me that I had a debt to the utility of almost $10k. They had calculated that I owed them for 2 years worth of service as if I was living there with all my house powered with A/Cs and all. The cherry on top was that they cancelled my net metering agreement.

So they just cut the power and left. Thankfully I got a 26kW Generac on my roof as well and that saved me for a few days. I had to get a lawyer and a court order to turn the power back on while my case is in litigation. But my solar array is doing absolutely nothing. I probably have about a year of litigation with CFE so I've decided that I'm done with them. I'm going to do what I should have done in the first place and get myself off-grid (hopefully I can keep a grid connection too though) but I don't want to be at the mercy of the grid or the policies of CFE anymore. I'm very independent by nature so I'm kicking myself for listening to go grid-tied. I have my own water source, starting to grow my own food. But power is my weakness in the independence equation.

Sorry this has gotten long for an intro. New message to talk about the build.
 
So here is what my roof looks like and the utility room has the inverters. 54 550w Canadian solar panels and 2 10kw Growatt grid-tied inverters. Obviously the array just stays as it is but I plan on removing the Growatts (hopefully selling them). I'm planning on waiting and installing 3 new SRNE HEBP 12kw inverters in parallel and a 120kwh battery pack. I believe this gives me some buffer on both daily usage and power spikes.

Next is a basic block diagram of what I'm planning. First because the house is running, I plan on installing a new manual transfer switch so the rest of the solar install can continue without interrupting power. I also figure if something goes wrong with inverter side, I can manually switch over to grid/generator. I'm also attaching the specs for the inverters and batteries I plan on using.

Current cost estimate:
3 SRNE HEBP inverters @$2k + $1k DDP = $7k
120kwh battery pack @$11k + $6k DDP = $17k

I haven't priced the cabling and other component cost. Labor is super cheap but I just need to supervise the hook-up. I have a lot to learn on hook-up from this forum, but I'm several months away from that step.
 

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Have you measured your peak load? How did your decide on three inverters and not two or four?

Do you have any high surge loads?

Will you still have a grid connection or are you getting rid of the grid for good?
 
Have you measured your peak load? How did your decide on three inverters and not two or four?

Do you have any high surge loads?

Will you still have a grid connection or are you getting rid of the grid for good?
The most I've measured is 23kw when it was super hot, the power was out for installing my generator (26kw) and then turned it back on. But that doesn't include surge from well pumps. Generacs can really only run at 80% of load for any duration. I heard the geni strain when the load went beyond 80% until I turned off some minisplits. I might be able to get away with less than 3 inverters but I want some buffer. At least that is how I'm thinking about it with my limited experience. I have already learned a lot on this forum and look forward to continuing.
 
The most I've measured is 23kw when it was super hot, the power was out for installing my generator (26kw) and then turned it back on. But that doesn't include surge from well pumps. Generacs can really only run at 80% of load for any duration. I heard the geni strain when the load went beyond 80% until I turned off some minisplits. I might be able to get away with less than 3 inverters but I want some buffer. At least that is how I'm thinking about it with my limited experience. I have already learned a lot on this forum and look forward to continuing.
Ok, it sounds like 30kw of power is right sized.

One thing you could consider is a Victron system ac coupled to your current inverters since 23kw was when it was hot(I assume during the day)

With 2 Victron 48/10000s you'll get 16kw continuous power(20kva) but during the day you add any power that the growatts are producing to your total output. So if the growatts are making 17kw of power, then you have 33kw available for loads and if your loads are less than what the growatts are producing then the victrons will not carry any load and will get some rest.

Another consideration is your current string voltage. If it's maxed out for growatts at 600vdc it may be too much for a new hybrid inverter that's 500-550 CDC so watch out for that.
 
I would go with 3 EG4 Grid boss inverters. I'd also build my own lithium battery banks as you can build them for 1/3 the price. I have a 150kw battery bank, 26kw of inverters and 17kw of solar.
In the summer I have no problems with power production if it's sunny. Cloudy??? Got some problems.
Right now I'd like to double my PV to 34kw and battery bank to 300kw.
Cells are cheap right now and you can build a hell of a bank for 20k.
I got quoted a price for some 280AH cells for $62. Takes 16 per bank. So $992 per bank + BMS another $100. You can roughly put 1 bank together for $1200 that's 280AH.
For 20k you can assemble 16 banks of 280AH. That is 229kw of Lithium
 
Ok, it sounds like 30kw of power is right sized.

One thing you could consider is a Victron system ac coupled to your current inverters since 23kw was when it was hot(I assume during the day)

With 2 Victron 48/10000s you'll get 16kw continuous power(20kva) but during the day you add any power that the growatts are producing to your total output. So if the growatts are making 17kw of power, then you have 33kw available for loads and if your loads are less than what the growatts are producing then the victrons will not carry any load and will get some rest.

Another consideration is your current string voltage. If it's maxed out for growatts at 600vdc it may be too much for a new hybrid inverter that's 500-550 CDC so watch out for that.
Thanks for the advice. I'll check prices for victrons. You are suggesting AC coupling on the load side?
 
I would go with 3 EG4 Grid boss inverters. I'd also build my own lithium battery banks as you can build them for 1/3 the price. I have a 150kw battery bank, 26kw of inverters and 17kw of solar.
In the summer I have no problems with power production if it's sunny. Cloudy??? Got some problems.
Right now I'd like to double my PV to 34kw and battery bank to 300kw.
Cells are cheap right now and you can build a hell of a bank for 20k.
I got quoted a price for some 280AH cells for $62. Takes 16 per bank. So $992 per bank + BMS another $100. You can roughly put 1 bank together for $1200 that's 280AH.
For 20k you can assemble 16 banks of 280AH. That is 229kw of Lithium
Yeah, I'm sure its cheaper to build a battery bank. But does the price you mention include DDP? I was quoted $11k for a 120kw pack. But the DDP price is ~50% of the battery cost.
 
Welcome to the forum.

I hope the HEBPs become available soon.
The HESP and ASP are currently available and members are using them, not sure if they would work for you.

Regardless of shipping costs raw cells should be much cheaper than pre-built.
 
Welcome to the forum.

I hope the HEBPs become available soon.
The HESP and ASP are currently available and members are using them, not sure if they would work for you.

Regardless of shipping costs raw cells should be much cheaper than pre-built.
Thanks for the welcome. Yes, of course building should be much cheaper. This makes me wonder what the going rates are for raw cells vs. assembled packs right now. I haven't priced cells but the pack I am pricing is $92/kwh not including DDP.
 
For what it's worth, the current version of the HESP and manual and the forthcoming HEBP support AC Coupling on the GEN port. It's not mentioned much in the manual, and I'd want to get a bit more detail on how it handles frequency shifting if you want to run 'off grid' (which I would). The HESP is on the California CEC list.
 
Two victrons would be cheaper than 3 hesps if he can get by on that
Would it be cheaper even with separate MPPTs? He has 30,000kW of solar panels needing to be processed
 
Would it be cheaper even with separate MPPTs? He has 30,000kW of solar panels needing to be processed
Probably would be similar if not slightly more, would need something like 3x RS450/200's but wouldn't have so many eggs in one basket and would have VRM and wouldn't always be wondering when the cheap chinesium HF inverter decides to quit.
 
Probably would be similar if not slightly more, would need something like 3x RS450/200's but wouldn't have so many eggs in one basket and would have VRM and wouldn't always be wondering when the cheap chinesium HF inverter decides to quit.
Wow! I did not know that the RS450/200 could process 10,000kW of solar panels each - that's a lot
 
11,500watts, yes the only thing I wish was different on them was if they were 500 or 600V limit instead of 450Volt.
I see - with 450V max, that limits most strings to 8 panels - maybe 9
 
I see - with 450V max, that limits most strings to 8 panels - maybe 9
Depending on where you live, if in Mexico with warmer temps more. My 395W Hyperions I have to limit myself to 10s due to the potential for -10º to -25ºF lows my area has had. All depends on the panel VOC obviously. Basically 2.87KW per each of the 4 trackers if you don't want to overpanel. I'm way over paneled on one of my trackers right now and have an 8s2p for winter.
 
Wow! I did not know that the RS450/200 could process 10,000kW of solar panels each - that's a lot
It also isn't cheap.
Two victrons would be cheaper than 3 hesps if he can get by on that
A pair of Quattros = $5300
3 RS450/200 = $6,000
I won't even get into the peripherals.

"3 SRNE HEBP inverters @$2k + $1k DDP = $7k"

To be fair, there should be 3 Quattros for 30Kw= $7950

He could use ASP's instead and just go off grid with grid backup, I just purchased 3 and they are on the ship. That is 30Kw capacity and 33Kw of PV capacity.

Borick 3 inverters.jpg
 
Yeah, I'm sure its cheaper to build a battery bank. But does the price you mention include DDP? I was quoted $11k for a 120kw pack. But the DDP price is ~50% of the battery cost.
I haven't found this to be the cast, for over a year now a 14.3kWh rack battery has been $900. Stackable type are ~$1000.
 

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